I mean it's not the exact opposite. Theyre only promising 10 years.
[IGN France] Yes, Redfall was originally planned for PS5
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To think that people were deluding themselves so hard about Starfield and other bethesda games coming to PS5 back then...
Buying off a publisher isn't the same as buying a publisher. Buying a publisher incurs much more responsibility for the owning party. They are solely responsible for nurturing and producing all studios and titles from then on. People are pretending it's just a more extreme version of exclusivity deals to create some kind of one-sided unfairness argument.
It has been made clear that it won't be exclusive.
Bungie.net
I know you've brought up before that you think they plan for MATTER to be a PS5 exclusive but that ain't going to happen. The Bungie acquisition is more about getting the GaaS expertise for Sony's push into that area of gaming.
I disagree there…again I believe it's simply bigger audience = more ppl effected. "Most people here" is a generalization and 60k ppl does not represent the entire userbase.
And this is kinda going off topic, the point is it should be ok to call out PR and say buying pubs is lame. It is…just like timed exclusives.
Maybe in time that will prove untrue, history in other industries show consolidation sucks in the long run. Again, hopefully I am wrong.
But you're in favor of money hats locking out millions of people. It's a different approach with the same result.
You truly believe that the only reason ff7re isn't on Xbox yet is because square "just didn't bother to work on a separate port..."?
What?
I doubt they care because MS never intended to keep all Bethesda games multiplatform. Phil said they'd keep the MMOs multi-platform. He said everything else would be case by case.
Phil has specifically used Minecraft as a point of reference for how they'd treat CoD. He hasn't mentioned any other franchises. Just CoD.
People like talking about video games more than the like video games
We are looking at the people that post in this forum. On certain topics.
We are not in disagreement.
I bet they don't care. Because CMA already knows about it.
From the acquisition thread...from the CMA.
"Microsoft stated that it would "honor all of ZeniMax's obligations to continue to make its current games available on other gaming hardware, including two planned console exclusive releases for the Sony PlayStation 5: Deathloop and Ghostwire: Tokyo". The games were released on an exclusive basis on PlayStation with high Metacritic ratings.
Microsoft has not taken any existing ZeniMax titles which were shipping on PlayStation on 9 March 2021 (the date when it closed its acquisition of Zenimax) off Playstation or other platforms.
Microsoft was clear that "[REDACTED]". The first Xbox and PC exclusive games will be Starfield and Redfall (both entirely new games) which are scheduled to be released in 2023 (i.e., some 2 years after the ZeniMax acquisition).
i think the magnitude of buying publishers and potentially making entire catalogs of future games exclusive vs singular studio buyouts or moneyhatting singular titles is what partly explains the higher level of pushback.
Because some people don't actually care about games, just drama
I think I read somewhere that Starfield was supposed to be timed-exclusive for PS5 so I think if MS hadn't bought Bethesda, Redfall would've been another timed exclusive title like Ghostwire Tokyo, Deathloop and Starfield.
hard to tell without knowing the specifics but that lack of an Xbox port so far means that the deal SE would have signed from the start was for it to be only available on PS and PC for the whole series just like SF5 was for PS and PC
I know. It's unfortunate the industry doesn't pushback when it's smaller things because it snowballs.
Like horse armor dlc and dlc in general just becoming more prevalent.
Releasing broken games to day 1 to patch it eventually.
Microtransactions, loot boxes.
I'm in favor of moneyhats? I think I'm gonna add you to my ignore list now because this is going to go somewhere I don't want. I've explicitly mentioned how I think moneyhats are bad. Both moneyhats and buying publishers is terrible in my book but you insist on lying and saying that I favor moneyhats when I explicitly say I do not want them.
Right there in my post you just quoted, I explicitly mention how I detest moneyhats and buying out publishers but you insist on misquoting me for whatever stupid reason.
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MS honored the agreements Bethesda had with Sony, it's not their fault Sony didn't strike a deal for Redfall. MS isn't obligated to put games on PS5, just like how Sony isn't obligated to put games on Xbox.
I have a hard on for Microsoft acquisitions and I never questioned it.
They never announced this game for PS5, right? Since the day it was announced, its been Xbox/PC
Also, isn't what you described literally how they've been talking about it?
Yeah I agree. I would personally be super sup portative of some sort of legal solution to companies moneyhatting individual titles. specifically the type of "we will pay you x to not release on this platform" agreements.
I'm assuming their next game(s) will be multiplatform until proven otherwise, but it's worth pointing out that their statement is ambiguous enough to mean that upcoming games could come to PS and PC but skip Xbox. They avoided mentioning Xbox in that context because it would paint them into a corner they might not want to be in in five years.It has been made clear that it won't be exclusive.
Bungie.net
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I know you've brought up before that you think they plan for MATTER to be a PS5 exclusive but that ain't going to happen. The Bungie acquisition is more about getting the GaaS expertise for Sony's push into that area of gaming.
People always seem to bring up "case by case basis" said in September 2020, but then leave out that later, Xbox CFO in November made the "1st, better or best" comment:
www.ign.com
MS was pretty wishy-washy during all of this, and it wasn't just deluded Playstation fans who thought they'd keep Bethesda multi-plat, there were actually pissed off Xbox fans complaining "why did you even buy them then?" after cheerleading the acquisition.
In my opinion MS was at the very least misleading..
Having said that, I said back in the day they'd do exactly what they are doing now. They didn't "pull games off of Playstation", they released the games on contract on to Playstation...
.. and probably from here on out, Bethesda is a 1st party exclusive dev.
The final test will be the next Doom or Quake IMO. If that's exclusive, then what does anyone think MS will make for Playstation?
Microsoft Wants Bethesda Games 'First or Better or Best' on Xbox - IGN
Microsoft says that Bethesda games coming to cross-platform will be 'first or better or best' on an Xbox console or platform.
MS was pretty wishy-washy during all of this, and it wasn't just deluded Playstation fans who thought they'd keep Bethesda multi-plat, there were actually pissed off Xbox fans complaining "why did you even buy them then?" after cheerleading the acquisition.
In my opinion MS was at the very least misleading..
Having said that, I said back in the day they'd do exactly what they are doing now. They didn't "pull games off of Playstation", they released the games on contract on to Playstation...
.. and probably from here on out, Bethesda is a 1st party exclusive dev.
The final test will be the next Doom or Quake IMO. If that's exclusive, then what does anyone think MS will make for Playstation?
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