Lmao I don't even remember a single parking garage. But it was all parking garages somehow.
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IGN: How The Last of Us Remains a Masterpiece 5 Years Later
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Lmao I don't even remember a single parking garage. But it was all parking garages somehow.
You're in a thread about an article complimenting the game with a contrarian view. You don't get to be indignant if yours/others arguments against don't hold up under examination
This isn't a "shit on TLOU" thread so if you want to do it your basis better be strong
Yep. The walking/talking moments help so much for world building and offer precious insight into all the characters. I can't imagine the game without them. I never skipped or ignored them in all my 8 playthroughs.
If you're not invested in the story and characters in the first place these kind of scenes will make things even worse, that I understand. The game's not for everybody and that's fine.
It's not like I just came in this thread and decided that everyone who dislikes the game is actually lying. The person I responded to has been posting as though they haven't actually played the game.
Someone tried to pull this shit you're pulling on me, when I called out a poster a few months back for claiming repeatedly that they had beaten Super Mario Odyssey in five hours, because it was so easy and straightforward.
"Oh, he didn't like SMO, so he has to be lying, huh?"
Spoiler alert - that poster's dislike of the game isn't why I thought they lied. I thought that person lied because their claims were bullshit, and because I had played the game that person chose to lie about and actually understood how ridiculous their claims were.
Why don't you try reading the comment chain? Why don't you try and validate, say, the notion that TLOU is an endless string of parking lots, since the person who I responded to, couldn't?
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Most of the game is running around ruined buildings covered in greenery. Calling it "parking garages" is hyperbolic but it's bog standard post apocalyptic exploration.
My issue is more that elements of this fanbase gets up in arms if someone doesn't like the damn game and needs to dissect every single post to the contrary, like the guy above who quoted me talking about not liking the game like it's something that needs to be cross examined.
I thought the game had a pretty good range of locations you visit, and some decent to good encounter/level design. The problem for me was that you can change up the locations all you want, but when you have as minuscule enemy variety as the game does, coupled with barebones stealth mechanics (Not that I was expecting something like MGS/Deus Ex/Dishonored), the game get's boring really fast. It was far too long for it's own good. But, story first and all, I guess.
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What I find funny is when ppl give explanations why it's good, great as a counter to an opposing view, it's seen as fanboyism.
But saying it sucks, it's boring, mediocre as the only reason why you don't like it and well it's opinions so deal with it.
Pretty soon debates are going to be no it's not, yes it is, no it's not, yes it is.
I know you are but what am I.
It's a good game. I wouldn't call it a masterpiece, but that's just me. I felt like a lot of the gameplay elements felt repetitive and were done better in other games. IMO the multiplayer is really where it's at anyway.
I wasn't particularly fond of the overarching story and themes, as I thought similar stories were told more elegantly in Children of Men and The Road.
I also though the crafting system didn't really work well in the sp, even on grounded difficulty. I guess that's why I loved the multiplayer so much. Crafting under the pressure of dealing with human players was much more intense and thrilling.
I'd say 7/10 for the single player and 10/10 for the multiplayer. 8/10 overall.
I wasn't particularly fond of the overarching story and themes, as I thought similar stories were told more elegantly in Children of Men and The Road.
I also though the crafting system didn't really work well in the sp, even on grounded difficulty. I guess that's why I loved the multiplayer so much. Crafting under the pressure of dealing with human players was much more intense and thrilling.
I'd say 7/10 for the single player and 10/10 for the multiplayer. 8/10 overall.
When you come into a thread with a straw man attacking fans and then continue to bark until they bark back.
Everyone's just justifying his rabid fans argument.
Who exactly were you calling out? You came here to engage how exactly? And you continue for what reasons?
Everyone's just justifying his rabid fans argument.
Who exactly were you calling out? You came here to engage how exactly? And you continue for what reasons?
Some descriptions about what bothered in the game are so generic but so generic that they remind me of this link:
How to Sound Like You Know What You're Talking About (Even When You Don't)
I hated the parts with stairs, but I do not ignore that crafting was really cool, plant traps, hit a headshot in the clickers and fight against humans.
How to Sound Like You Know What You're Talking About (Even When You Don't)
I hated the parts with stairs, but I do not ignore that crafting was really cool, plant traps, hit a headshot in the clickers and fight against humans.
Maybe reading the fucking article and thread would help. I have a feeling these two things might help you get a better picture.
Who I was calling out should be self evident; the toxic elements of this fanbase, and discuss the problems therein.
As for why I continue, that's a really stupid question to ask someone who posts on a discussion board.
Weiss come on this is seriously the case with any highly rated game. I don't think BoTW is the greatest game ever but I understand that I'm odd man out on that. Next thread that comes up where its proclaiming it to be the best Zelda of all time. Ill definitely drop in and say what I liked and didn't like about the game and be on my way. I'm not going to try and convince the fanbase they are nuts. I just think you're going to end up frustrating yourself for no reason here.
You're overly engaged in attacking fans of a game you don't like. I didn't say anything because I thought your strawman was just a drive by, but here you are. Inexplicably engaged in hating shit.
I mean there's a difference between not thinking BotW is the greatest game and being genuinely confronted over it.
I'm not trying to convince anyone they're nuts or that they're wrong to like the game, like I specifically state in my first post that I get why people like it and I haven't even criticized the game for anything in this thread yet, I just wish some members of this fanbase could be less zealous when dealing with criticism or even people who just dislike the game.
Like say this guy, who decided that I'm "overly engaged" and am strawmanning because reasons.
I'd really love that, actually. There is not a single shred of merit to be found in nigh on any of the comments decrying this game to be average or whatever issue they have with it. We get it, you personally didn't like the game. I don't see how this adds anything to the discussion. You can make the point for discussion around release time to include criticism, in that this can help developers find out what people did or didn't like about the game. But this isn't what the negative nancies in this thread are or have ever wanted to accomplish with their mostly asinine validation-seeking borderline-shitposts. Like, for example, the parking garage one. Or "Uncharted reskined with zombies". I mean come on huh. Do we really NEED this?
Criticism, negativity, and sharing your opinions about things you expressly don't like are all things that receive far too much undue praise. Why can't we have one thread that's just positive? What's bad about that? Just enjoy what you enjoy, and leave the rest by the wayside. I don't go into thread about things I don't like, and I don't get what people get out of it.
And if you're coming in here with your negative opinions, at least have one shred of intellectual honesty in you. Not talking to you specifically, just in general.
Might wanna get off your high horse there. I bet you've got things you'd get annoyed about too if people kept unduly harping on it. Might not be a video game, but I bet there's something.
Also, I can't believe we've come to a point where people wanting to be POSITIVE about something is considered "toxic". I think the slant you take on the matter is really quite telling.
Tell me something, if you were to replace every single piece of criticism in this thread with "Man, this game just wasn't for me, but I'm really glad there are so many people who like it!"... What do we lose?
Not really. I mean I like to do the whole "hyperbolic zany fanboy" thing but you'd have to be a complete asshole to get mad at someone over something like video games.
I also didn't call anyone 'toxic' so... dunno where you're getting that.
I think the "zealousness" that you're picking up on just comes from the types of attacks it receives. Like if someone just doesn't like the gameplay or story, then that's fine. There's really no way anyone can make a game where everyone likes the story and gameplay. But there's a big difference between that and "The gameplay is shit and I don't know why people like it." or my personal favorite, "It's a reskinned version of Uncharted". TLoU basically has three things in common with Uncharted. It's third person, it has an emphasis on storytelling and it's developed by Naughty Dog. But if you remove the developed by ND part then it'd never be compared to Uncharted. Because it really doesn't have much in common with it. The core gameplay loop of Uncharted is platforming and cover shooting. And it has a big emphasis on spectacle. Now with TLoU you have a game that's much slower, its loop revolves around stealth with a big emphasis on melee combat (this seems to be a bigger aspect in Part II) and spectacle has really no place in it.
I see it as being no different from Zelda fans who rightfully get upset over the "Belda" accusations that were and are sometimes leveled at Breath of the Wild.
You did though.
Not to mention that you're now calling people assholes for wanting their experience here to be positive.
I personally think you'd have to be a real asshole to go into a thread just to share a negative opinion. Where's the merit in that? Who gains what?
I said there are toxic elements in the fanbase, I didn't call anyone here toxic.
And your last sentence is ridiculous.
See, these are great reasons for why someone can take issue with the criticism leveled at the game, where they view it as actual fallacious statements rather than just criticism of gameplay or story.
Why is it ridiculous?
And you're calling people toxic for arguing against people coming in here to sharing their negative opinions, are you not?
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It's ridiculous because it's a forum for discussion. Negative opinions are just as valid and it's ridiculous that someone could be considered an asshole for saying bad things about a fucking video game.
And, again, "toxic elements" are referring to those who are getting into sheer, hyperbolic, aggressive shutting down of criticism of the game. Thus far I've mostly had people want to engage with what I'm saying, and then you get that one guy with the Herc avatar who decided I'm strawmanning because I don't like the game and said as much.
I didn't criticize the game because I'm not here to talk about its merits, I'm here to talk about people like you who fucking flip their shit if someone doesn't like the game.
Yeah sorry never mind folks I have no idea what I'm talking about. There's nothing wrong with some of this fanbase when you get zingers like this.
I know it's a little off topic, but what is "Belda"?
BotW is a good example for me where people act like it's the best game ever and I just don't see it. It's a great game and I thoroughly enjoyed it, but there are a few things I don't like. However, if I were to be critical of it in a discussion, I'd explain what parts I didn't like and provide examples of what I prefer. My issues with the game also don't cancel out the things that are great about it. "It's boring/generic" without further elaboration is the most uninspired, shallow, lazy criticism.
Then answer the question, what do we lose if we replace every single negative opinion in this thread with "Too bad the game wasn't for me, but I'm glad to see so many people enjoying it"? Like, which insights do we lose from this thread?
And how is going into thread with the EXPRESS GOAL to just be negative not being an asshole? How else do you describe this then? Like, show me where these insightful discussion springing from someone coming in here to share their negative opinion are, because I'm not seeing it.
Right, OK. I'll take you on your word with that one.
It originated from someone arguing that if BoTW were called "Legend of Belda" then no one would really care about it and it'd get nowhere near the amount of praise that it did receive.
I don't know how to answer that because I don't think being negative about a video game and talking about it is being an asshole. Like I guess if I said "this game sucks and you suck for liking it," then yeah, then I'd be an asshole.
Anyway, I'm bailing.
Mechanically, TLOU is fairly solid. Its ideas were used to great effect by RE: Revelations 2. However, I do have one major gripe with TLOU's design, and it was something I remember a few gaming magazines mentioning back in the day. The game obnoxiously foreshadows combat arenas through waist high cover surfaces. This was a problem with a fair number of games in that era, including Mass Effect 2.
You arrive at your destination. "This is going to go super well. We just hand over the thing and leave." And you immediately know that isn't true because of all the glaringly placed cover. When you arrive at the dam in TLOU, you immediately know shit is gonna go down because the dam isn't naturally designed. It's full of waist high cover that NPCs walk you past.
You arrive at your destination. "This is going to go super well. We just hand over the thing and leave." And you immediately know that isn't true because of all the glaringly placed cover. When you arrive at the dam in TLOU, you immediately know shit is gonna go down because the dam isn't naturally designed. It's full of waist high cover that NPCs walk you past.
Which games did it better at that time, though? Let's not forget the technical constraints they were working with back then. Uncharted 4 does a lot better these days due to the variety of objects they're able to place around the world.
wow, a trifecta. Imma get this post framed and put it up on my wall.
Please be joking :/
I agree, but that was a product of the time it released. Going by Uncharted 4 and TLL, I'm sure TLOU2 will disguise encounters far better than the first game.
I'm curious what exactly are people expecting gameplay wise from this series? GOW combat?
I honestly feel there's a section of gamers that feel threatened by praise and accolades being heaped on a game like The Last of Us because it doesn't prioritize the 'right' things, it's not made the 'right' way. It's not simply an exercise in mechanical mastery that treats the narrative and the presentation of the narrative as a candy wrapper to be thrown away while you enjoy 'the good bit'.
I get this sense every time I see a thread about 'the gameplay' or a 'focus on gameplay'. Sure some people just have personal preference, but there's definitely a large contingent that feel strongly about how some devs are "making games wrong".
Degenerate fucking nutters, the lot of them.
I get this sense every time I see a thread about 'the gameplay' or a 'focus on gameplay'. Sure some people just have personal preference, but there's definitely a large contingent that feel strongly about how some devs are "making games wrong".
Degenerate fucking nutters, the lot of them.
Not only that, but the presence of bottles or bricks on the ground is basically a giant red flag that some sort of battle is about to break out.
With that being said, as others have noted, Naughty Dog got better about this kind of thing in Uncharted 4, so I'm sure TLOU2 will be better too.
Its fun when you can point out clear as day the posters who have clearly never played the game yet spit out hot takes. ND treads always bring out the salt from haters.
Cheers, mate. Sure, I don't doubt BotW benefited from being an entry into one of gaming's most long-running and beloved series... But then that's true of any game in a successful series. It's why people are shocked when a new IP like TLOU or HZD do so well. It doesn't make BotW any less good.
The cover system alone felt archaic given how games like gears came along and essentially perfected cover shooting 7 years prior. The fact I have to hit a button to crouch behind cover, hit the same button to come out of crouching, pull left trigger to ads, use right trigger to shoot, and then using crouch again to take cover when gears was just press one button to enter cover and hit left trigger to come out and ADS-release and automatically go back into cover was way more fluid. Games have gotten the third person-stealth action mechanics far better than TLOU did-years prior to its release. Its gameplay felt dated.
Also using GoW as an example for great combat isn't something I would agree with either haha (the new one is much better but back during the original launch of TLOU the original series was fairly standard imo).
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Lets not get bogged down in semantics. Cover shooting is a HUGE part of the gameplay loop and can be played as a cover shooter. Just because you can also play other ways doesn't mean we gloss over one of the game's fundamental gameplay designs.
Hey man remember that one time Joel joked about taking hookers to a church? Fun times
It's a mechanic in an arsenal of tools. It's no more a cover shooter than MGS4 is. Just because you can hug a wall and shoot from behind it doesn't make it like Gears where it is the primary, essential and arguably only mechanic.
Further to that, neither Joel or Ellie are meant to be highly skilled military operatives. They aren't supposed to be shooting from cover to cover with roadie runs, headshotting and decimating hoardes of enemies. It is a game designed to make you feel like every fight is a resource limited scrap for survival and it is effective at it
Prioritizing gameplay in a video game
Must be hard for you to understand the difference between people advocating a limiting prescriptive view and people just preferring one thing over the other, because the latter I have no problem with.