The excuses these guys get on this forum is nothing short of pathetic.
White men constantly being giving the benefit of the doubt? Who would have guessed.
The excuses these guys get on this forum is nothing short of pathetic.
More people should have a watch of HBomberguys video on "woke brands" and "woke capitalism".
Why don't you ask a Chinese person if they see "no malice" in that video clipNo, I said context is king. In the context of Rich's joke, I don't see the malice needed to take an otherwise racist stereotype joke all the way home into the "I hate Asians" category . And the "they talk like that..." is problematic, absolutely, but I also see the look he gives the camera before he does an impression of "my drunk racist uncle" with his body language before he says it. Dude is fucking joking. I mean, it's super obvious.
I always love escalating outrage that ends with some dude ironically calling themselves a nazi for watching their channel.White men constantly being giving the benefit of the doubt? Who would have guessed.
I don't fucking need to be "tricked" into being excited about a Ms. Marvel/Kamala Khan movie. And no, I don't expect Disney or anyone to make it and just put out there for free.That's not what they said even slightly. I watched the whole video. They literally do not say this.
The part that's true is people stupidly lapping up a giant corporations bullshit when they cynically glom on to social movements, or try to turn it into controversy to their benefit. The "charity" donations to put money into the pockets of the worlds largest media conglomerate is super fucking gross. If it were really a concern to Disney they'd give free showings to young girls or something along those lines.
More people should have a watch of HBomberguys video on "woke brands" and "woke capitalism".
These companies and their marketing teams are intentionally manipulating us. Controversy breeds publicity. That's whats gross. The manipulation.
That's not what they said even slightly. I watched the whole video. They literally do not say this.
The part that's true is people stupidly lapping up a giant corporations bullshit when they cynically glom on to social movements, or try to turn it into controversy to their benefit. The "charity" donations to put money into the pockets of the worlds largest media conglomerate is super fucking gross. If it were really a concern to Disney they'd give free showings to young girls or something along those lines.
More people should have a watch of HBomberguys video on "woke brands" and "woke capitalism".
These companies and their marketing teams are intentionally manipulating us. Controversy breeds publicity. That's whats gross. The manipulation.
No they aren't, but the core of their argument is pretty clearly about the same thing. At least that's what I got out of it. I do think they harped on Brie Larson too much, but I also thing that the speech she made was super fucking condescending and cringe worthy. It's not that the core of what she said wasn't true, it's just that she was about as patronizing as possibly can be.
I also thing that the speech she made was super fucking condescending and cringe worthy.
What?I always love escalating outrage that ends with some dude ironically calling themselves a nazi for watching their channel.
Who's being condescending? For the record I enjoyed the shit out of Captain Marvel, but still doesn't change that I feel a little wary of companies and anyone who stands to profit from controversy.I don't fucking need to be "tricked" into being excited about a Ms. Marvel/Kamala Khan movie. And no, I don't expect Disney or anyone to make it and just put out there for free.
Enough with this condescending shit trying to paint representation with this stink of cynicism. You ain't HBomberguy and neither are these clowns.
Guess what? When a muslim girl gets plastered on a poster as the next big fucking superhero, and the actress doesn't take all the expected b.s. (that she was already being targeted with btw) with a gracious smile? Some motherfucker is gonna call that a "controversy". And yes, Disney is probably gonna profit from it.Who's being condescending? For the record I enjoyed the shit out of Captain Marvel, but still doesn't change that I feel a little wary of companies and anyone who stands to profit from controversy.
Absolutely. The only reason that's even being brought up is that it's a easy way to defend their racist buddies here.There's a pretty big fucking difference between "Companies could try to use wokeness to manipulate you so keep an eye out, but it's kind of cool that these conversations are still happening because of them" and "All companies are just trying to sell you stuff so every attempt at being progressive should be written off unless they give me a product for free."
Thank you.There's a pretty big fucking difference between "Companies could try to use wokeness to manipulate you so keep an eye out, but it's kind of cool that these conversations are still happening because of them" and "All companies are just trying to sell you stuff so every attempt at being progressive should be written off unless they give me a product for free."
Who's being condescending? For the record I enjoyed the shit out of Captain Marvel, but still doesn't change that I feel a little wary of companies and anyone who stands to profit from controversy.
Who's being condescending? For the record I enjoyed the shit out of Captain Marvel, but
Hopefully you take your week off to learn that racism isn't just "I hate X race". Question for when you come back from vacation: have you been living under a fucking rock for the last decade?No, I said context is king. In the context of Rich's joke, I don't see the malice needed to take an otherwise racist stereotype joke all the way home into the "I hate Asians" category . And the "they talk like that..." is problematic, absolutely, but I also see the look he gives the camera before he does an impression of "my drunk racist uncle" with his body language before he says it. Dude is fucking joking. I mean, it's super obvious.
Does Rich need some time outside of his middle American bubble to know that "ching chong" whatever is no beuno, probably. Is Rich the next David fucking Duke about to rally some proud boys to beat some black kids up? Probably not.
The amount of people in this thread just quoting this terrible post and avoiding doing their own thinking at all, and ignoring the problems with this video listed in just this summary (like, c'mon at the bolded), nevermind stuff that's left out like them going full "bitch eating crackers" with the Google autocomplete interview or that this is part of a trend from prior videos with them such as their Wonder Woman review, and just going "no problems here" is incredibly depressing.This is pretty standard lefty stuff... Not really MRA shit. I would recommend really watching the entirety of what they are trying to say.
I'll summarize:
- They are critical of people attaching social justice concerns to a massive corporate film. Both those on Youtube who make dozens of videos shitting on the film or Larson and those who feel like the movie is important.
- Mention the charity thing that gave tickets to underprivileged kids to go see the movie as an example of faux wokeness.
- They center most of the criticism of Larson specifically due to a speech she made at a conference that they think came from her realizing she's not a black woman and thus not the lowest on the totem pole of having to struggle so she decides to shit on white male film critics and how they give negative reviews to films like A Wrinkle in Time. "These movies aren't for them" is what she says. This is the main focus of this part of the video. The main thing they take issue with here is someone using lack of representation as an excuse for a movie doing poorly (they show images of white men giving Larson's films positive reviews).
- They say that having more voices in film criticism is good and that their is probably a kernel of what she was trying to say. They sight the documentary about the history of African Americans in horror and how it presented ideas that Jay would never have thought of. Basically they think she framed it all wrong.
- Film criticism is the least important thing in the whole world on the scale of social justice. They namedrop films like Tangerine as movies that would be worthy of this level of discourse. Films that got great reviews from white men.
I don't think the RLM guys are perfect, but there has been this weird conflating them with alt-right people.
if any of you guys think Mike and Jay are even remotely in the same universe of anti-SJW that rottentomatoes review-bombers are, you've truly lost the plot
they say in this video that they agree with brie that there should be more diversity in film criticism, and their point about the reviews for movies like Room and Tangerine is accurate
4channers and alt-righters DO NOT WANT DIVERISTY in anything, period
Nah. That's just the manbabies like yourself, doing that.larson and disney are specifically trying to make this movie about the meta-situation surrounding it, and they're allowed to address that
boom.gifYou can tell that Brie's comment (no matter how they butchered it) got under skin. The typical posters continue to let these guys off and run off back to the rlm thread to whine about unfair OT is treating their comedy genius.
There's not such things as allies.Between this, BP and TFA it seems like RLM is the sort of "Ally" who is ok with you until you start speaking up and they start to feel uncomfortable.
Why do you continue to deny the White Genocide ?
Same. And for me it was heartbreaking (as i mentioned in the past in these type of threads) As i used to adore them.These guys are the poster boys for white male fragility. I remember them getting their panties in a twist over the casting diversity for TFA, TLJ, and Black Panther so I pretty much stopped watching because I'm probably too diverse an audience for them.
You the two aren't mutually exclusive.I feel it pretty much comes down to how do you feel about big corporations finally monetizing diversity for profits, are you fine with it or do you feel actual progress is made elsewhere and without profit margins in mind.
Its certainly a take but a clear one and im finding it hard to call them fucking alt right for critizing big companies and their products from that standpoint
More people should have a watch of HBomberguys video on "woke brands" and "woke capitalism".
These companies and their marketing teams are intentionally manipulating us. Controversy breeds publicity. That's whats gross. The manipulation.
Expcet when they have said on multiple occasions that kids don't care about seeing themselves on screen. That argument falls flat.No they aren't, but the core of their argument is pretty clearly about the same thing.
At best, they're White Feminists.If you follow RLM at all you know they're left leaning, progressive, and support diversity. They can be critical even if they miss the mark sometimes, unfortunately this is one of those times.
It was a pretty good film. I'm not claiming that it wasn't. Nor am I claiming that people involved weren't passionate about the issues.Jesus fuck people really need to stop bringing up that video in this context like that at all backs them up. The conclusion that video came too wasn't that big brands being progressive was a bad thing. And even if it was, that ignores that movies are an actual art form and boiling it down to just "Disney" is hand waving everyone involved that was trying to make a quality film that stood for the values they were trying to promote.
yes. Because it was. Inference whatever you want about me. You don't know me and the hostility is really not appreciated. If you want to call me a sexist then just do it already.This didn't happen here at all though.
And sorry if I don't buy that RLM are these staunch anti-capitalist.
Oh but of course you do.
I've not heard that term before. LMAO.Nah at best they're broscialists
Feminist theory makes them feel attacked
Nah at best they're broscialists
Feminist theory makes them feel attacked
I don't always need the media and critique I watch to be socially on the mark.
Do I have to just accept things wholesale?
Life and opinions are messy. I think parts of what they said are iffy to problematic, but Brie Larson's speech and the way this movie have been covered just don't pass the sniff test for me. Too much of it comes off as bullshit.
Life and opinions are messy. I think parts of what they said are iffy to problematic, but
anything you say before a but doesn't matter, i thought we learned this as a society
That's a very good straw man you got there.How do you do, fellow perturbed middle aged white men? Did you know that representation is just a trick to separate well meaning people from their money? Pandering, is what it is. Equality porn.
These companies, man. Exploiting people's personal opinion that minorities exist and can do stuff. It's up to us to keep these studios honest! We won't be tricked into liking representation that we're supposed to like and pay for, because liking and paying for it makes it a false and hollow cash grab or whatever.
Anyway, back to jerking off next to my shelf of the 20 Marvel movies starring straight white guys. I'm glad we were able to stop Hollywood from pushing some sort agenda.
Apparently we're supposed to shut up and watch them for entertainmentWhite men constantly being giving the benefit of the doubt? Who would have guessed.
Sorry man no. It's not horrible. I'm done with the character assassanation for tonight.alternately, people know what they're saying after a "but" is horrible and they try their damndest to soften the blow beforehand
Brie Larson's speech and the way this movie have been covered just don't pass the sniff test for me
I'm pro diversity, I want more of it. You will literally never see me complain about it's existence or more of it.
alternately, people know what they're saying after a "but" is horrible and they try their damndest to soften the blow beforehand in an effort to convince themselves that what they're saying isn't, y'know, bad
and I can see the difference between constructively promoting inclusion in media, and just innarticulately railing against people.
No. I really don't think you are understanding me. I am glad when movie studios hire more diverse casts, directors, writers, etc.thou doeseth protest too much
Said with a serious face in a thread of which you jump through hoops to basically do something with the exact same effect and intent
No. I really don't think you are understanding me. I am glad when movie studios hire more diverse casts, directors, writers, etc.
I just want them to do it without expecting a pat on the back
How do you do, fellow perturbed middle aged white men? Did you know that representation is just a trick to separate well meaning people from their money? Pandering, is what it is. Equality porn.
These companies, man. Exploiting people's personal opinion that minorities exist and can do stuff. It's up to us to keep these studios honest! We won't be tricked into liking films with representation that we're supposed to like and pay for, because liking and paying for them makes the representation a false and hollow cash grab or whatever.
Anyway, back to jerking off next to my shelf of the 20ish Marvel movies starring straight white guys. I'm glad we were able to stop Hollywood from pushing some sort of agenda.
What are you talking about? It's the same principal as not bragging about doing a good deed. Do you go around telling people what a good person you are for the good thing you did?"I just hate it so much when they're promoted and normalized and people are praising it, and I hate it SO MUCH that I'll get into scraps on forum threads about it instead of letting something with pretty much a net positive effect on society carry on"
You're not slick.
You don't understand this yet and it will come with time (maybe) but you are exposing yourself.No. I really don't think you are understanding me. I am glad when movie studios hire more diverse casts, directors, writers, etc.
I just want them to do it without expecting a pat on the back for what is the right thing to do. It's the right thing to do period.
What are you talking about? It's the same principal as not bragging about doing a good deed. Do you go around telling people what a good person you are for the good thing you did?
You are seriously being pretty damn mean. Just attack attack attack attack. Can you please not?
How do you do, fellow perturbed middle aged white men? Did you know that representation is just a trick to separate well meaning people from their money? Pandering, is what it is. Equality porn.
These companies, man. Exploiting people's personal opinion that minorities exist and can do stuff. It's up to us to keep these studios honest! We won't be tricked into liking films with representation that we're supposed to like and pay for, because liking and paying for them makes the representation a false and hollow cash grab or whatever.
Anyway, back to jerking off next to my shelf of the 20ish Marvel movies starring straight white guys. I'm glad we were able to stop Hollywood from pushing some sort of agenda.
TBF Wisconsin is so white, that it's constantly snowing.I'm not surprised, RLM doesn't know a single black person, nor have they seem very informed about much of anything outside of movies.
What are you talking about? It's the same principal as not bragging about doing a good deed. Do you go around telling people what a good person you are for the good thing you did?
You are seriously being pretty damn mean. Just attack attack attack attack. Can you please not?
It's the same principal as not bragging about doing a good deed
You are seriously being pretty damn mean. Just attack attack attack attack. Can you please not?