White men constantly being giving the benefit of the doubt? Who would have guessed.
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In Captain Marvel review, RedLetterMedia don't discuss the film for over 15 minutes as they talk about Brie Larson's comments on diversity
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White men constantly being giving the benefit of the doubt? Who would have guessed.
Why don't you ask a Chinese person if they see "no malice" in that video clip
Think they'll agree with your assessment?
I always love escalating outrage that ends with some dude ironically calling themselves a nazi for watching their channel.
I don't fucking need to be "tricked" into being excited about a Ms. Marvel/Kamala Khan movie. And no, I don't expect Disney or anyone to make it and just put out there for free.
Enough with this condescending shit trying to paint representation with this stink of cynicism. You ain't HBomberguy and neither are these clowns.
Jesus fuck people really need to stop bringing up that video in this context like that at all backs them up. The conclusion that video came too wasn't that big brands being progressive was a bad thing. And even if it was, that ignores that movies are an actual art form and boiling it down to just "Disney" is hand waving everyone involved that was trying to make a quality film that stood for the values they were trying to promote.
No they aren't, but the core of their argument is pretty clearly about the same thing. At least that's what I got out of it. I do think they harped on Brie Larson too much, but I also thing that the speech she made was super fucking condescending and cringe worthy. It's not that the core of what she said wasn't true, it's just that she was about as patronizing as possibly can be.
This didn't happen here at all though.
And sorry if I don't buy that RLM are these staunch anti-capitalist.
Oh but of course you do.
Who's being condescending? For the record I enjoyed the shit out of Captain Marvel, but still doesn't change that I feel a little wary of companies and anyone who stands to profit from controversy.
There's a pretty big fucking difference between "Companies could try to use wokeness to manipulate you so keep an eye out, but it's kind of cool that these conversations are still happening because of them" and "All companies are just trying to sell you stuff so every attempt at being progressive should be written off unless they give me a product for free."
Guess what? When a muslim girl gets plastered on a poster as the next big fucking superhero, and the actress doesn't take all the expected b.s. (that she was already being targeted with btw) with a gracious smile? Some motherfucker is gonna call that a "controversy". And yes, Disney is probably gonna profit from it.
Who fucking cares.
Absolutely. The only reason that's even being brought up is that it's a easy way to defend their racist buddies here.
Hopefully you take your week off to learn that racism isn't just "I hate X race". Question for when you come back from vacation: have you been living under a fucking rock for the last decade?
The amount of people in this thread just quoting this terrible post and avoiding doing their own thinking at all, and ignoring the problems with this video listed in just this summary (like, c'mon at the bolded), nevermind stuff that's left out like them going full "bitch eating crackers" with the Google autocomplete interview or that this is part of a trend from prior videos with them such as their Wonder Woman review, and just going "no problems here" is incredibly depressing.
No one is saying that.
Nah. That's just the manbabies like yourself, doing that.
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There's not such things as allies.
Why do you continue to deny the White Genocide ?
Same. And for me it was heartbreaking (as i mentioned in the past in these type of threads) As i used to adore them.
You the two aren't mutually exclusive.
Expcet when they have said on multiple occasions that kids don't care about seeing themselves on screen. That argument falls flat.
At best, they're White Feminists.
It was a pretty good film. I'm not claiming that it wasn't. Nor am I claiming that people involved weren't passionate about the issues.
Anyways I'm sorry, this isn't going to convince me to stop watching RLM. I don't always need the media and critique I watch to be socially on the mark.
Do I think some of what they said is problematic, sure.
yes. Because it was. Inference whatever you want about me. You don't know me and the hostility is really not appreciated. If you want to call me a sexist then just do it already.
I know that I'm not. I'm sure I have unconscious biases like everyone else, but I think about this shit literally every day all day, and I can see the difference between constructively promoting inclusion in media, and just innarticulately railing against people.
There's also a difference between genuinely promoting diversity, and trying to use it as a shield to negate or avoid criticism. Corporate Hollywood is all too happy to capitalize on it. A Wrinkle in Time wasn't rated poorly because of "white male critics". It was rated poorly because it wasnt a good adaptation.
Nah at best they're broscialists
Feminist theory makes them feel attacked
I've not heard that term before. LMAO.
But you're absolutely right. And thinking about it, more right then you might realise.
anything you say before a but doesn't matter, i thought we learned this as a society
Life and opinions are messy. I think parts of what they said are iffy to problematic, but Brie Larson's speech and the way this movie have been covered just don't pass the sniff test for me. Too much of it comes off as bullshit.
How do you do, fellow perturbed middle aged white men? Did you know that representation is just a trick to separate well meaning people from their money? Pandering, is what it is. Equality porn.
These companies, man. Exploiting people's personal opinion that minorities exist and can do stuff. It's up to us to keep these studios honest! We won't be tricked into liking films with representation that we're supposed to like and pay for, because liking and paying for them makes the representation a false and hollow cash grab or whatever.
Anyway, back to jerking off next to my shelf of the 20ish Marvel movies starring straight white guys. I'm glad we were able to stop Hollywood from pushing some sort of agenda.
These companies, man. Exploiting people's personal opinion that minorities exist and can do stuff. It's up to us to keep these studios honest! We won't be tricked into liking films with representation that we're supposed to like and pay for, because liking and paying for them makes the representation a false and hollow cash grab or whatever.
Anyway, back to jerking off next to my shelf of the 20ish Marvel movies starring straight white guys. I'm glad we were able to stop Hollywood from pushing some sort of agenda.
Yes. Qualifiers exist.
Alright guys I'm putting up the white flag. I don't have it in me to argue about this. I simply don't perceive it the same way. My intuition leads me elsewhere.
Alright guys I'm putting up the white flag. I don't have it in me to argue about this. I simply don't perceive it the same way. My intuition leads me elsewhere.
alternately, people know what they're saying after a "but" is horrible and they try their damndest to soften the blow beforehand in an effort to convince themselves that what they're saying isn't, y'know, bad
Apparently we're supposed to shut up and watch them for entertainment
Even though their entertainment consists of shitty racism and SJW whining.
Sorry man no. It's not horrible. I'm done with the character assassanation for tonight.
I'm pro diversity, I want more of it. You will literally never see me complain about it's existence or more of it.
I just don't like being browbeaten, or patronized by famous people or corporations that pat themselves on the back for it, when it should be the norm.
thou doth protest too much
Said with a serious face in a thread of which you jump through hoops to basically do something with the exact same effect and intent
I believe you think you can
But calling Larson's criticism simply railing against white men... to me shows that you don't.
And the irony is you're using anti-capitalist as a sword to dismiss Larson
No. I really don't think you are understanding me. I am glad when movie studios hire more diverse casts, directors, writers, etc.
I just want them to do it without expecting a pat on the back for what is the right thing to do. It's the right thing to do period.
I'm not surprised, RLM doesn't know a single black person, or woman seemingly. Nor have they ever been proven to be very informed about much of anything outside of movies.
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"I just hate it so much when they're promoted and normalized and people are praising it, and I hate it SO MUCH that I'll get into scraps on forum threads about it instead of letting something with pretty much a net positive effect on society carry on"
You're not slick.
What are you talking about? It's the same principal as not bragging about doing a good deed. Do you go around telling people what a good person you are for the good thing you did?
You are seriously being pretty damn mean. Just attack attack attack attack. Can you please not?
You don't understand this yet and it will come with time (maybe) but you are exposing yourself.
doth protest too much
This should be the new "i'm an expert" post.
I'm going to use this in the future. A LOT.
TBF Wisconsin is so white, that it's constantly snowing.
Dude you reduced Brie Larson's criticism to being a cringeworthy, condescending, bullshit, railing against white men.
No. It's not.
thou doth protest too much