Yeah, and Ganon connects all Zelda games to the same timeline. /s
Interview with Yoshio Sakamoto regarding Metroid/Samus Returns
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I really hope another 2D game is in the works. Need to know what happens after Fusion!!!
Um, have you played the game? Ridley is literally a form of meta ridley with less metal parts, and his theme is a meta ridley remix. This directly connects and shows how meta ridley went back to regular ridley for super metroid.
MP3 did that? I remember blasting Omega Ridley to kingdom come (or meta Ridley, I really can't remember) and I don't remember ever feeling like "ah, so this is how he becomes as he is in Super",
All this said, it's more the principle that matters. If there's a way to canonize seamlessly between Prime and Super then that's just neat. However, when Sakamoto or any other non-Retro person says there wasn't any planned story between them, I'm totally fine with the notion that there's two canons because I always felt Super, Fusion and Other M had an entirely more cartoony and obviously japanese style.
Super is the most Prime out of the bunch but I've come to see it more with Other M and Fusion as a canon (hint: I think all 3 underwhelm narratively) and Prime always felt like a "what if Super Metroid was 3D" game to me.
They weren't talking about prime 3.
During the final boss of Samus returns, he turns up with the last of his meta ridley parts from the prim series, has the meta ridley theme as his boss fight, and then sheds the last parts off screen after the boss fight to head off to the fight at the space station of the start of Super metroid.
edit: I imagined the shedding was shown in a cutscene, misremembered it
edit: I imagined the shedding was shown in a cutscene, misremembered it
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Omega ridley is meta ridley with phazon, but still all the meta parts, maybe more. Now we don't know how prime 4 will factor in, but yea. It's a legit thing that canonizes it. Not to mention diggernaut having spider rails only from the prime games.
Either way, prime games are all the same canon. Other m also had the seeker missiles.
I hope that Metroid producers keep ignoring what western fans says, for the sake of their owm mental health.
I do wonder if Nintendo assigned more work for Mercury team already.
There is any comments about how much it sold?
I do wonder if Nintendo assigned more work for Mercury team already.
There is any comments about how much it sold?
Yea they were talking about Samus Returns but it is worth mentioning now that we're talking about Prime 3 is that the phazon inside Omega Ridley pretty much enhanced his already crazy regenerating properties canonized in the manga. It's also not hard to believe he came back after how many times Dark Samus willed herself back into existence with her phazon properties after she was seemingly destroyed everytime.
I don't think we have any comments on it, no. Sub a million, I think, but that doesn't mean it was terrible sales.
It was only one position behind Mario + rabbids for september NPD (though M+R launched at the tail end of the previous month) and above the sales of MK8D and BOTW for that month, so it did alright.
I'm quite sure if we get another 2D metroid, Mercury will be the team doing the development for it. Let's hope.
Probably under a million with no charting, but no exact nimher is known.
Sakamoto just recently released Samus Returns though
And Tanabe...was just recently responsible for this:
Tanabe was the man in charge for the Prime Trilogy and he did 3 masterpieces one after the other, also, he didnt sell Federation Force like the next main entry in the franchise, it was just an experiment which I'm totally fine with.
Now for those pandering that Sakamoto is back just because of Samus Returns: the game was a REMAKE, the blueprint was already there and I seriously doubt Nintendo would let him put his shitty version of Samus in there, even if he wanted to. Samus Returns being a beefy, juicy, delicious game proves one thing: that Mercury Steam can do a good game under the right management (not Sakamoto).
Yuuup. I really disliked all of the new bosses they added. I'm also sick of having to deal with Ridley in every. Single. Game.
Agreed on Tanabe in his works on Prime but for the rest, Sakamoto is literally Executive officer of EPD (Like, who's Nintendo in first place? If there's a 2D Metroid it's because he's the one cheering for it) and was the only producer of the game. For any way, Sakamoto was the one managing the game and team and approving many decisions at the same time that he was also doing his own decisions as well.
So, despite Sakomoto being the head here and the clear upgrade Samus Returns is when compared to Castlevannia, it most definitely is not Sakamoto's help because apparently we still hold a grudge.
Yeah, Tanabe had a better understanding of Metroid and Samus. We all saw that with Federation Force.
I already don't expect Prime 4 to be canonically linked to any previous Prime game, maybe not even the classics.
Knowing Tanabe though, I fully expect some Lego Bionicles or Federation canon though.
Federation force takes place right after 3 and this will take place after it.
And Sylux will finally return and it's going to be... amazing! (I guess?)
Good that they're implying it's leading to more. Could help them finally get out of that issue they got with Metroid 5 being against the Federation, and even FF's ending tried to go out from that.
This entire post is an embarrassment with ridiculous assumptions, Sakamoto did three masterpieces too, and that's just his Metroid work. He also was absolutely involved in SR.
Some of you need to get the fuck over Other M.
We still don't know official Samus Returns sales do we? I really hope it did well enough to warrent Metroid V. I've been waiting 16 years :(. Samus Returns was a damn fine game, and they did it in only two years! Imagine what kind of 2D Metroid they could make with a 3 year dev cycle on Switch...
I hope they ride the themes of fusion and make it super biological.
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All we know is that Nintendo called it and Fire Emblem Echoes' sales figures as "firm" in a press release a little while back. So I guess it sold well enough.
No, but considering how much he talks about good results, probably above the expectations? It was probably not very expensive to make and sold enough to do well.
I kind of hoping Samus returns comes to the Switch though. I think the game would be amazing on the Switch, and would give Mercury Stream the experience with the Switch they need and the game could run at 60FPS due to the superior hardware. I didn't dislike Other M, I like the gameplay and how was playing like she has been shown to be in the campaign.
No it wasn't. Ridley doesn't have to be every damn game.
It's worth nothing that this is part 3 of a series of interviews about the making of the game, there's a 4th one coming up too.
Overall that was a nice read, the way he talks heavily implies that he plans to or is already working on Metroid 5 with MercurySteam and that the game did decently, which is awesome news to me. I loved SR and I'm super eager to see what the team can do without being restrained by having to develop a remake.
He confirms the obvious too, that the reason they went for so long without a non-Prime game was the lack of a team to make one, so I really doubt they'll let MS go.
Honestly I don't like Sakamoto much and don't think I ever will, but he's great at what he does provided he doesn't have absolute freedom and I have no issues with him continuing to be at the helm of the series, especially if he works with MS.
By the way, I'm super glad he straight up denied the idea of remaking more games. The Fusion remake speculation based on the ending was so dumb. Not to mention I can't for the life of me understand why anyone would want more remakes instead of a new game after so long.
Overall that was a nice read, the way he talks heavily implies that he plans to or is already working on Metroid 5 with MercurySteam and that the game did decently, which is awesome news to me. I loved SR and I'm super eager to see what the team can do without being restrained by having to develop a remake.
He confirms the obvious too, that the reason they went for so long without a non-Prime game was the lack of a team to make one, so I really doubt they'll let MS go.
Honestly I don't like Sakamoto much and don't think I ever will, but he's great at what he does provided he doesn't have absolute freedom and I have no issues with him continuing to be at the helm of the series, especially if he works with MS.
By the way, I'm super glad he straight up denied the idea of remaking more games. The Fusion remake speculation based on the ending was so dumb. Not to mention I can't for the life of me understand why anyone would want more remakes instead of a new game after so long.
I get being tired of him, personally I've been rolling my eyes every time he shows up since Fusion, but I felt this was the one time it was for the better and even "needed", particularly because of Other M. I'd be okay without seeing him again tho lol, but with Smash adding him, who knows.
When has Sakamoto not had absolute freedom? Guy's been the basically indisputable head of 2d metroid since Super. There was nothing reigning him in with any of his games. Hell, there's nothing reigning him in now.
This is only speculation based on credits from the games he's worked on, but while he's had key ones in every Metroid he's been part of, the only one where he's been both director and producer is Other M.
The only embarrassment here is Other M Samus.
You say we should get over Other M, the reason I can't do that is because Metroid as a franchise can't have the luxury of having shit games released, critically acclaimed games have not sold that well and releasing another bad main line entry could be get the IP shelved for DECADES before Nintendo decides to bring it back.
Whatever happens, Sakamoto or Tanabe I just want the games to be good and have a new one every 2 or 3 years, 2D and 3D can take turns, just give something to play with my favorite bounty hunter.
The reason why you never got another Metroid games for years is because you caused such a horrible ruckus, no one at Nintendo wanted to touch that IP with a ten foot pole. Hell, the only reason why we're getting Metroid games again is because of the the two people you seem determined to despise no matter what.
Why do Mercurysteam get the credit for Samus Returns being good but Tanabe gets the credit for Metroid Prime?
I didn't know Ridley was in Samus Returns, and I'm still playing it, so that was a bit of a spoiler. But I guess I'm always a year behind on it, so I'm not too bothered.
Sakamoto's notes about the Metroid timeline makes sense to me. I've never taken too much time to piece together timelines for games like Metroid or Zelda. For Metroid I just perceive them as individual missions, the continuity between storylines is very lose and doesn't seem to ever affect the contained story in the game. Honestly, a lack of continuity is fine with me. As for Zelda, I just perceive each new Zelda as a new retelling of a similar legend.
People get so wrapped up in timelines.
Sakamoto's notes about the Metroid timeline makes sense to me. I've never taken too much time to piece together timelines for games like Metroid or Zelda. For Metroid I just perceive them as individual missions, the continuity between storylines is very lose and doesn't seem to ever affect the contained story in the game. Honestly, a lack of continuity is fine with me. As for Zelda, I just perceive each new Zelda as a new retelling of a similar legend.
People get so wrapped up in timelines.
Nintendo's stated that they're happy with its sales, for what it's worth.
I don't mind Samus Returns, it's serviceable but as Metroid II, it's probably the 2nd biggest insult to Metroid (faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar above Other M, like not even on the same planet).
Hopefully we can forget about the apology letter this was and the next game does something else than just retread Zebes or SR388.
People bemoaned Wii sports and Wiifit, we still got Resort, Club, Fit+ and FitU.
They only stopped because they managed to make them not sell.
Don't blame Nintendo looking at the sales prospect of Metroid after a meteoritic disaster killed their profit on people being vocal on forums.
Heck seriously we even got interviews of Team Ninja saying basically "story is not our fault, blame Nintendo", if the game had anything resembling success that is not what they would have said during interviews.
Hopefully we can forget about the apology letter this was and the next game does something else than just retread Zebes or SR388.
Dude, the game sold like radioactive crap.
People bemoaned Wii sports and Wiifit, we still got Resort, Club, Fit+ and FitU.
They only stopped because they managed to make them not sell.
Don't blame Nintendo looking at the sales prospect of Metroid after a meteoritic disaster killed their profit on people being vocal on forums.
Heck seriously we even got interviews of Team Ninja saying basically "story is not our fault, blame Nintendo", if the game had anything resembling success that is not what they would have said during interviews.
Yeah yeah, Sakomoto ran over your dog so he can never be forgiven. Also really? 2nd biggest insult to Metroid? Is that our new barameter of Metroid now? How much I hate this game? If this causes you to do this, why even play them?
I'm glad about this. Super Metroid does not need a remake because, well, it's pretty damn close to perfection already.
Sakamoto should be proud, he and MercurySteam did an incredible job. What impressed me about Samus Returns is that it feels so much more experimental than what I expected. The bosses particularly were completely unlike previous 2D Metroid bosses, and that made them very memorable.
I really hope we see another 2D Metroid game from them sometime to polish those concepts.
What are you talking about?
Other M was a disaster, it's not even debatable at this point. Why are you in a quest to clean it's image when we were all there to see how crappy it actually is and how badly it was received?
And Metroid Samus Returns is a good game but a bad Metroid II remake.
It takes everything from Metroid II, throw it out and replace it with something else.
The themes that were in M2 are lost and it does its best to try to be this mashup of Metroid tropes.
It's a fun game but if you even touched the original Metroid II on OGB you kind of the new game doesn't consider the old one at all.
It could have easily been a new game considering how little it takes from the original game.
The atmosphere is gone, the themes are gone and the point of the game is gone as well, it's kinda like having Terminator 1 remade in the style of Terminator 2.
Sure it might be a cool movie to watch but it's not even trying to be a remake at this point.
I'm not on a quest to cleanse its image? I'm not making any argument about its quality. I'm arguing about this intense hatred you seem to have for the man to the point where we are now judging his latest work by how much it is an insult to the Metroid series.
Where the fuck do I show any hatred on Sakamoto in this thread?
If we were talking about the Other Monstrosity, sure.
Metroid Samus Returns is a fine game, it plays well, the level design is great and the bosses are entertaining.
It's just one of the worst remake of a game you can find.
It misses the point of the original game and has total disregard for everything the game tried to do.
It's a good game, a good Metroid game even, it's just a bad Metroid II game.
If this game is the worst we can expect from Sakamoto from now on, I'll be more than a happy customer.
You can thank Other M for that.
Then again that game is full of holes so who knows...
And yeah Metroid Prime was known as that side story between 1&2.
Since we never had anything like dates for when all the games happened it could easily fit without anyone being the wiser.
Then Other M happens and all go to hell.
Think Zelda timeline except this time it made immediate sense.
And now since Sakamoto is basically the "bible" on everything Metroid, Prime games are separate now.
Except, like, Ridley is demonstrably still cybernetic right before the beginning of Super Metroid, which occurred in Metroid Prime. It's about as blatant a link between the games as can be.