Is Quiet the worst character design this gen?
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can some japanologist or anime scholar explain to me the popularity of the inverted triangle silhouette among these monstrosities? So many narrow torsos and baggy ass thighs (lingerie style cutouts optional).
Never mind, this wins. At least most of the other examples nailed basic human anatomy.
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Cindy is weird but Aranea kinda makes up for it for being pretty fucking awesome. They even changed her versus13 design and gave her pants!
Too bad her dlc got cancelled
Cindy is weird but Aranea kinda makes up for it for being pretty fucking awesome. They even changed her versus13 design and gave her pants!
Too bad her dlc got cancelled
Like how Quiet's butt and breasts were framed during the torture scene?
Yeah, thanks Kojima, let's continue the creepy sexualization while a woman is being tortured and nearly raped.
Their ages aren't confirmed but I'm pretty sure it was confirmed that they are all teenagers. Date's design wasn't terrible, but still impractical for a police officer.
Maybe the worst thought out character.
Some of the designs I've seen from Xenoblade 2 are just completely awful in every way
Some of the designs I've seen from Xenoblade 2 are just completely awful in every way
I mean you can find out for yourself by watching her LP of the game
On topic: no she's far from the worst unfortunately. Not when Xenoblade and Nier exists
Yeah, the difference in culture is that Japan is stuck in the 50's when it comes to women liberation & rights. Maybe if Japanese men realized this shit does not fly anywhere else, that might be a big incentive for them to accept some cultural changes. Not to mention, it would probably help women liberation activists in Japan.
Wait, is this that cat girl?? I thought she was the only half-decent looking character in XC2 lmao
Oh, yeah, I had forgotten about Date. Not as bad as the other ones, but pants would've been much better than a skirt.Their ages aren't confirmed but I'm pretty sure it was confirmed that they are all teenagers. Date's design wasn't terrible, but still impractical for a police officer.
It wouldn't only be much better, it would be the only sensible option. It's NONsensical for a police officer to dress like that in any situation.
I'll be completely honest,
I forgot how much Quiet would pose/turn around in the helicopter, probably because I immediately would start the mission or so, because I didn't want to see that. -_- it was so cringey
I forgot how much Quiet would pose/turn around in the helicopter, probably because I immediately would start the mission or so, because I didn't want to see that. -_- it was so cringey
Indeed. Coming to think of it, I remember a lot of female police officers wearing skirts in Japanese media (the first one to immediately come to mind was Officer Jenny from Pokémon). It's like women can only wear pants if they're skin-tight (like Yuuko's).
What was the excuse for this :P
I haven't played the game.... but this is ridiculous.
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You know what, here's all the shitty Xenoblade 2 designs. Judge for yourself: Yes, there are three Blades in the game that use the "1,000 year old dragon" archetype. Honestly, Praxis and Theory are even worse than Dahlia as they're clearly intended to be loli bait. By the...
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I'm not sure I agree completely with this, as her outfit is at least somewhat similar to the Skulls. Of the main characters she stands out differently, sure, but none of them are like her either and, to be fair, that's the point - for most of the game everyone but Snake (and even he says twice that he'd kill her without hesitation and, of course, stands by and watches her brutal torture scene) and arguably Ocelot despises her based on how she looks, what she's capable of and her uncanny silence, despite the help she ends up providing, not to mention that she surrenders to Mother Base in the first place by disobeying her orders completely. The better things to point out, I think, are that, of the main characters, she's the only woman and a semi-secret cutscene, some animations in the ACC, some of the camera work elsewhere and a certain scene towards the end where she's almost raped undermines Kojima's intentions.
That being said, of the few memorable things that have been written about the game (and probably the only one written about Quiet specifically), one thing I sometimes continue to chew over is this bit from Leigh Alexander's short review of the game, even whilst she admits that this is something she could be reading into too much:
Personally, as a character, I came out the game feeling pretty good about her. Of all the significant characters in the game, she's the only one who does something selfless multiple times and isn't ultimately condemned in pursuing revenge at any cost. As for the way she's designed, I neither think she's perfect nor terrible. Since I started writing this, for example, someone pointed out that most complaints about her would be remedied had she been wearing a t-shirt and/or shorts instead. As it stands, she's wearing a strange clash of military gear, a bikini and tights and there's so few instances where she's overtly ogled by the camera that I can't say she's even close to worse than a number of other examples in this thread; and many of those designs that have been shared are also far more sexual in nature to begin with. Even in the Metal Gear series she isn't the worst, I don't think. That dishonour would have to go the B&B unit, surely...
I'm crying laughing here, ProZD's video perfectly fits Nier Automata 🤣
I just went back to watch the full video you posted. I remember having a blast with the game back then and being so disappointed with the female character designs and remembering that some sort of explanation for it back then was that it was geared towards teen boys...as if we're suppose to encourage teen boys to look at life with perversion as much as possible
I don't think she's the worst, per-se, as we have lower-brow/less thoughtful/more template-based designs in plenty of other titles.
But I honestly think she's the most embarrassing example of a dev sticking out their "whole ass" in terms of claiming a greater rationale/vision, and just revealing for the whole world to see how deeply, deeply broken they are in their perception and attitudes about women. Kojima, on a personal level, should have been "ashamed," and taken the time to reflect on the failure of his work in that regard.
Liking sexy designs and wanting attractive characters in games is fine, but the nuance to how terrible Quiet was in the exact ways Kojima challenged audiences about made him look contemptible. Even without that meta-layer, we'd unfortunately still be left with a character having their abuse actively framed as titillating [for the audience], being degraded generally in animations [for the audience], and a patently reductive role in the game's script. The text of the game relishes in all of this, as does the creator.
But I honestly think she's the most embarrassing example of a dev sticking out their "whole ass" in terms of claiming a greater rationale/vision, and just revealing for the whole world to see how deeply, deeply broken they are in their perception and attitudes about women. Kojima, on a personal level, should have been "ashamed," and taken the time to reflect on the failure of his work in that regard.
Liking sexy designs and wanting attractive characters in games is fine, but the nuance to how terrible Quiet was in the exact ways Kojima challenged audiences about made him look contemptible. Even without that meta-layer, we'd unfortunately still be left with a character having their abuse actively framed as titillating [for the audience], being degraded generally in animations [for the audience], and a patently reductive role in the game's script. The text of the game relishes in all of this, as does the creator.
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Right? Cyber Sleuth is obviously an attempt at a Persona-style Digimon game and I'm glad it was successful enough to show there are people interested in the games of the franchise, but I wish they would get rid of the incessant pandering and objectification.
But knowing there is a scene in Hacker's Memory that is even more gross than that one, I have no faith in them.
Quiet looked great.
You can roll your eyes at the lack of clothing and the storyline reasoning for it for sure, but if nothing else... it's definitely 100% consistent with the rest of the MGS universe, haha.
You can roll your eyes at the lack of clothing and the storyline reasoning for it for sure, but if nothing else... it's definitely 100% consistent with the rest of the MGS universe, haha.
If he admitted he likes sexualized women, he wouldn't exactly be the auteur he claims to be.
Some of the greatest movie auteurs treated women like shit. They're not mutually exclusive.
I mean it depends what you mean by bad. They're designing to appeal to a male fantasy. They're sexualized designs *by* design.
If being problematic means bad, then sure. Her costume is preposterous given her role.
If being problematic means bad, then sure. Her costume is preposterous given her role.
she's trying really hard to breathe through her skin? can't you see??Fuck whoever directed this, really.
There's no fucking way that's an actual design. If so, wow, what garbage.
Not when Xenoblade Chronicles 2 exists.
Oh wait, so this game's thing is having absolutely terrible female character designs, I see. Who the fuck plays this shit?
This thing is the worst character I've ever seen in a video game:
How fucking dare you to slander Tatsu. Ugh, the lack of taste.
But yeah Xenoblade 2 sucks.
Probably the worst scene I've seen in a game.
Quiet may not have the absolute worst design on paper, but in-game the voyeurism and exploitative elements that constantly frame and surround her are absolutely fuckin gross.
That Kojima thought his dumb words and deeds bullshit was gonna be some gotcha moment is actually infuriating.
She seems like a fascinating character for sure. Except for the almost-rape bit - female characters designed by men should not have a rape backstory.
And you are sort of working against your own argument. All the parts you like about her make her outfit even worse in context.
Also I'm not sure why you presented that quote. That is her personal experience with mansplainers. It's an issue among female feminists sure, but it is irrelevant to Quiet's character design.
LMAO. Tears in my eyes. Legit tears. Guy, we've found it. Pack it up.
Yeeeeee lol
Haha, it's like if we ran up to a filthy puddle and started shoving it up our noses.