No, the argument is that if someone doesn't like something, that's fine, but they cannot claim to speak for anyone other than themselves.
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Is there a reason why 2B is so exposed in NieR: Automata?
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No, the argument is that if someone doesn't like something, that's fine, but they cannot claim to speak for anyone other than themselves.
In regard to this costume, I don't personally think it's over the top.
My fiancee loves 2B's design. She ordered a costume from a designer on Ebay based in China, only to have it get lost in shipment twice. And she was very angry.
My fiancee loves 2B's design. She ordered a costume from a designer on Ebay based in China, only to have it get lost in shipment twice. And she was very angry.
I guess if you can see a woman's ass it's degrading. Idk either lmao
People censorship requires a power to force...
An opinion that something shouldn't exist is not censorship... it's just an opinion... Tons of people think say Gone Home shouldn't exist, they're wrong of course, but they aren't censoring non typical narrative games
Also this chain were it to happen is also not censorship: Criticism.----> criticism is received by artist ----> artist makes alterations after considering said crticism
An opinion that something shouldn't exist is not censorship... it's just an opinion... Tons of people think say Gone Home shouldn't exist, they're wrong of course, but they aren't censoring non typical narrative games
Also this chain were it to happen is also not censorship: Criticism.----> criticism is received by artist ----> artist makes alterations after considering said crticism
It's criticism. Just like she's offering. She definitely has the right to voice her thoughts. No one is deleting or censoring her posts. But when we're having a discussion and she suggests women are a monolith or that she speaks for all women is disingenuous at best and dishonest at worst.
No? She said IN HER OPINION it's offensive to her gender, not that every female thinks this. It's impossible to find something that's 100% agreed by everyone, so this whole arguement makes no sense.
It might be the latter but if you're ignoring the relevance it has with the central themes of the game, I don't know what to tell you
It is Quiet - tier, that is why i said he is a pervert and people raged at my comment.
With this said he can make the game he wants , its fine by me, but he did it because he is a pervert and he likes to see semi naked doll looking women in sexy costumes. Sex sells and he knows there is a crowd that loves this pervie stuff.
The achievement to look up 2B's skirt enough times is incredibly degrading.
Does there always need to be context? Is there no room for just engaging with something purely because of fantasy fulfillment? I'll totally co-sign the fact that I'm for continued diversity in games so everyone can find the things that speak to them but also like...sometimes you just want to stare at a butt because you want to stare a butt.
You are misinterpreting.
I, specifically, feel like it degrades the female gender as a whole.
If the gender as a whole is not insulted in reality, cool. It's a fact that not all women feel as I do. But my opinion that such virtual portrayals are harmful is MY OPINION. Not anyone else's. It is not a concrete statistic, it is solely mine.
If someone says they find it degrading to women... they are not claiming all women find it degrading.
About bolded: absolutely not.
And an opinion that something shouldn't exist is absolutely not censorship, but is asking for it. Do you see the difference?
No its not.
We need to stop with this.
Seriously, people, stop with this hyperbolic nonsense.
That's just your opinion. Literally a few posts above yours says it's not Quiet tier.
You don't have to do it nor do the more time consuming one in 9S' case. You can simply buy the trophies.
Good. As long as that is clear. Because as women, there are thousands who 2B doesn't offend.
Welcome to ResetEra. You can't really debate with people like that. They are so set in their ways that nothing will change their mind.
That does excuse every game from pre-release criticism then.
And yes, I didn't play this game as Drakengard 3 already offended me enough, but I don't see how this excuses the dual standard for pre-release reaction to Nier and other games. Also strange to imagine that people say Yoko Taro is "based" because of his statements.
That's also the only way you'll get Automata's achievement for looking up 2B's skirt.
Unfortunately
This is false.
Not really... Not if they petitioned the government to ban it.... that would be censorship... but no one is doing that....
If someone made something I perceived as say racist and I go to the person and say hey this is racist because xyz could you take it out it shouldn't exist, and they go holy fuck you're right and do so they were not censored... if they refuse I did not attempt to censor them.
Yes. I do. As they have explained, want warriors do do whatever the hell they want. Some people may like it, some may not. I just want an artist to do what they want regardless of what someone else may think.
There seemed to be a lot of gamers here who really disliked 2B's clothing styles. Is it better then for the Japanese devs who offered a more Puritanical style to appeal to the Western gamers like the people who complaint here, or not even having a Western release at all?
Can you really expect someone not familiar with Nier to know that? And as a director Yoko Taro approved all designs for his game. I'm not even against his designs. I'm just saying Yoko Taro likes his horny.
Fam 2B is nowhere near Quiet Tier, you would have more of a point with A2 being quiet tier
The game is weirdly tongue and cheek wrt its achievements.
Also, have you tried that acheievment? Its actually surprisingly hard to do it. Like when you pan down, the camera literally moves away from 2b as to obscure your vision. If you try and linger long enough, 2B pushes the camera away. I'm sure that the trophy/achievement is just playing up the joke that people will try to look up her skirt, but that the devs have made it hard to do when she is standing still.
Also, you can buy trophies b/c the game literally doesn't take trophies/achievements seriously.
I mean, i do get what you mean though.
You should still try Automata. IIRC Yoko Taro was brought very late into the development of D3 so it may not be fully representative of what his vision for the game is.
Look up what censorship is. Seriously.
You know, in a dictionary or similar, not from what someone is telling you.
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What's this dichotomy? They ran with what they got and were successful — more so than they expected. Even in the West.
So, I just self-destruct for the first time to see if it kills me but it didn't and her umm...
Pretty much my reaction. Actually no, I saw it in a GIF first. What's weird is that there's actually an item to prevent it being blown off, but they take forever to give it to you.
So are you just here to shit things up and call the forum 'PC central' or whatever the fuck you're beaking about?
Couldn't make your intentions anymore blatant, buddy.
That's not what he/she said though?
"I just want an artist to do what they want regardless of what someone else may think." is not the same as "I just want an artist to do what they want without hearing what someone else may think."
People thinking artists are able to make what they want and not what they're commissioned to make. Companies commission artists to make whatever the director/storymaker/company wants.
Note i'm just putting that statement out there and I feel 2b isnt problematic as the hyperbolic statements that compare her to Quiet.
Note i'm just putting that statement out there and I feel 2b isnt problematic as the hyperbolic statements that compare her to Quiet.
"the suppression or prohibition of any parts of books, films, news, etc. that are considered obscene, politically unacceptable, or a threat to security."
Responding to criticism is neither suppression nor prohibition.
Because you don't have to do it if you really want the achievement and if you did it not because of the achievement, then you did it willingly and actually want to look up her skirt.
Well, it sounds like he's pro censorship of Japanese design to appeal to his Western sensibilities. That is kind of contributing to the topic.
I know that gameplay-wise I would probably enjoy it, but reading about Drakengard 3 I saw he was the one that asked the writer to pervy the game up and some other stuff I really disliked about that game. Just don't feel like it's worth, specially when I have other games to play.
Remember when Far Cry 4 was announced and the box art was shown when people were up in arms b/c they though the villain was white and it looked like he was dominating an asian man.
Yeah, i'd say a lot of pre-release criticism that isn't given context and is just assumptive of the public can be taken with a grain of salt...
To be fair, you don't learn about the trophy shop until much later in the game, so as far as the player knows, that's their only option.
Wow, that's exactly what I said earlier!
Glad that we agree.
Did you ignore all of the gaf threads related to Nier Automata? LolSo, I just self-destruct for the first time to see if it kills me but it didn't and her umm...
You really warped that to fit your narrative, if you changed 1 or 2 words there you've pretty much defined censoring someone.
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