It's time we move away from 'rolling' in games.

[Failburger]

Now hear me out.

I'm not saying we get rid of 'dodging'. What I mean is we get away from using a 'roll' as the animation for 'dodge'. Why? Because it's dumb watching a person jump and roll and immediately jump and roll in the opposite direction. It's immersion breaking and it doesn't really communicate with the player what its properties are.

Which is why I like the quick step in Bloodborne. It fits the aesthetic and it communicates with the player that you're untouchable for a brief moment as your character turns into smoke and back again.

With rolling, new players think they have to roll completely out of the way to not get hit, usually resulting in players who constantly roll backwards or sideways and getting punished for it; instead of moving through the enemies attack and countering. And I don't blame them because who thinks 'I'm gonna roll my body through the axe!'?

So I say, lets get away from using a dive and roll animation as the default dodge animation.

 

[Dolce]

no never

 

[Farrac]

What about barrel rolls, tho?

 

[Deleted member 11637]

Witch Time baybee.

 

[Jonathan Lanza]

Play God Hand

 

[Christmastree55]

Yeah, it's really bizarre how almost every single third-person action game uses it. It looks really dumb a lot of the time

 

[Raccoon]

 

[Deleted member 48813]

I personally like games because they're unrealistic and can have silly stuff like that in them, so no, keep the rolling :P

 

[Indy in the Fridge]

not when i-frames exist, baby

 

[sixteen-bit]

Ninja Gaiden 2 (2008) changed the evasive roll to an offensive dash before From Soft

 

[Deleted member 20852]

I love rolling and double jumps and no-one can stop me from doing so

 

[SickNasty]

But it makes you run faster in Hyrule Field.

 

[Rassilon]

Shooters etc without rolling seem to encourage bunny-hopping which is more immersion-breaking and useless imo

 

[Lord Vatek]

Let's do cartwheels instead.

 

[Nocturnowl]

Time for comically large side steps with leg stretching wind up to take the stage

 

[Deleted member 34949]

I personally like games because they're unrealistic and can have silly stuff like that in them, so no, keep the rolling :P

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Same here.

 

[NotLiquid]

Not until we get a god damn modern 3D Sonic game with actual rolling physics.

 

[Border]

Keep rolling!

 

[I Wanna Be The Guy]

Sonic tried that and the games got worse.

 

[Whipwhopper]

I always loved how hard Kratos just full body dive-rolled in the original God of War games

 

[I Wanna Be The Guy]

Not until we get a god damn modern 3D Sonic game with actual rolling physics.

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My man.

 

[Syriel]

You'll have to convince Luigi.

 

[Tygerjaw]

How the fuck am I gonna move playing Zelda?

 

[N64Controller]

 

[Mr. Shakedown]

I personally like games because they're unrealistic and can have silly stuff like that in them, so no, keep the rolling :P

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Yuuuuuuup. Why on earth do some people want everything to reflect the real world when you can do so much more in a game?

 

[L Thammy]

Just activate your verniers.

 

[Mass Effect]

 

[empo]

I agree and find it really weird when a dodge roll has iframes that are not communicated in any way visually or whatever, why is it even in the game and why are you not just simulating the physical interaction so you can like jump over a sword swing instead?

 

[Failburger]

I personally like games because they're unrealistic and can have silly stuff like that in them, so no, keep the rolling :P

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Same here.

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Yuuuuuuup. Why on earth do some people want everything to reflect the real world when you can do so much more in a game?

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Specifically mentions Bloodborne where you dissipate into smoke and dash away from attacks and people be like 'NO! NO REALISM!'

 

[Stowaway Silfer]

I need Itachi's dodges in the Storm games to become the new benchmark.

 

[Mekanos]

They already took rolling from me in Zelda. I can't handle any more betrayal.

 

[nsilvias]

I M M E R S I O N
🙄

 

[seroun]

I want my character to do things with their joints that I can't do.

That includes rolling very fast. Not my fault our bones are shite, OP.

 

[DC5remy]

This post can roll away OP. Rolling is life

 

[Deleted member 46493]

Rolling w/ iframes is the best though.

I will never understand these immersion arguments. Convinced it's a meaningless buzzword people use. Of all things in Souls games... THAT is immersion breaking?

 

[Deleted member 16876]

 

[Sign My Guestbook!]

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Which player is this?

 

[Alienous]

I do think that one of the best innovations Tomb Raider had over the Uncharted series was swapping the roll for a scramble.

 

[Transistor]

Parrying > Rolling

It's legit the law.

 

[Tuck]

Rolling is so satisfying though.

 

[Spiderman]

"Immersion breaking"

LmAo

 

[Deleted member 34949]

Specifically mentions Bloodborne where you dissipate into smoke and dash away from attacks and people be like 'NO! NO REALISM!'

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I had the exact opposite problem with Bloodborne in that I didn't even know the quick step had i-frames until someone had told me, because it sure didn't look that way to me and at that point, I was just disengaging lock on and running away to avoid attacks.

Dodge rolls have always felt nicer to me because the visual cue of being rolled up into a ball/somersault is personally much easier for me to visually parse in the moment.

 

[Landy828]

I've found that I don't like a good 80% of games that involve rolling as the "dodge" of the game.

Includes every Soulslike game except for a few.

 

[Death Penalty]

I don't think games need to be realistic but rolling does look stupid if you really look at what's going on and think about it in terms of natural movement.

 

[Arta]

Nah. Rolling is better.

 

[NDA-Man]

I would be entirely happy if rolling was completely replaced by decking a motherfucker in the face.

RE3R Jill: Roll
RE3R Carlos: Deck the motherfucker in the face

 

[Stencil]

I don't understand this 'immersion' thing. Like, are the people who tout "immersion" in a sensory deprivation tank with noise cancelling headphones and a VR headset on their head? And as soon as they see a character do something unrealistic they think "ah god. I'm playing a game, aren't i?"

I'll never be so immersed in a game that I'm fully unaware that I'm playing a game, and I kind of doubt anyone else will either.

 

[I Wanna Be The Guy]

I would be entirely happy if rolling was completely replaced by decking a motherfucker in the face.

RE3R Jill: Roll
RE3R Carlos: Deck the motherfucker in the face

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Rolling proves itself to be better in that gams. Rolling is consistent. Carlos punch is weird the timing is weird and it annoyed me.

 

[Kaiser Swayze]

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Came for this gif. I can leave the thread satisfied.

 

[HardRojo]

Depends, it may look silly in some games, but in something like Guacamelee I love it.