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Ponn

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Why do you insist to separate it from the context which is the ban on transgender troops in America? That's simply dishonest.

So wait hold up. You are complaining about separating the context of transgender troops in Trumps tweet which JK strangely ignores while responding to the other points and yet in the same breath claiming her liking a blatant transphobic post with slur and everything is...suddenly unsubstantiated and not subject to the same context??
 
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I mean, not really?
Maybe I'm being pedantic and semantic, but to me "acceptance" just literally means "I accept that [thing] exists."
It doesn't any anything about how you treat or react to [thing].

I've know people who "accept" me as a gay man, but still don't "approve" of gay people.
I mean, you can have your weird specific way of using the word acceptance, but here in the real world we'll continue using the colloquial meaning.
 
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In response to somebody asking the Twitter account what they meant by their tweet, they replied: 'I'm saying transwomen have no right to take women's places in politics. I'm saying they're protected by brocialists in ways women haven't been. I'm saying transwomen are currently being heard more than women – and actively silencing women in debate. I'm saying transwomen are men.'

http://metro.co.uk/2018/03/22/jk-ro...weet-calling-trans-women-men-dresses-7407959/

Just in case someone really doubted what the person whose tweet JK liked meant when she called us men in dresses
 
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This...doesn't feel like you're actually responding to his point so much as you're just trying to steer the conversation back to where you can be outraged.

Isn't it a legitimate point? Even within the trans community I see wildly varying views on this sort of thing.

Some people feel that trans individuals have always been the gender they identify as, perhaps just in a mismatched physical body.
Some people feel that if they have to have major surgery to achieve the physical gender they desire, it inherently admits that they weren't that gender in the first place.

They're both valid views and I don't think the second is inherently hostile so much as just..."clinical."

Trans women don't identify as men in dresses.
 
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It's notable that Rowling made no tweet to express support of trans women. She's been on twitter since.

Were it a true mistake I'd want to just send a message to reassure my trans fans.

Nothing.

If it was an accident I'm thinking liking it was the mistake not approving to content.
 

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Why are you people so willing to believe this stuff without proper investigation? I googled three of his assertions and they are baseless and misconstrued.

For instance, she actively said she DID NOT support the Iraq War in a tweet. Said she wanted to march against it and would have had she not been pregnant at the time. Fucking read and think for yourself, you're swallowing bullshit.

If none of that shit is true, then that's awesome.

Still ain't gonna fuck with Harry Potter though.

:'(
 

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It's notable that Rowling made no tweet to express support of trans women. She's been on twitter since.

Were it a true mistake I'd want to just send a message to reassure my trans fans.

Nothing.

If it was an accident I'm thinking liking it was the mistake not approving to content.
She was just research shit and umm accidentally clicked like... you know how that shit happens.

/s
 
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Like I'd be mortified if I thought I made an entire group of fans think I hated them. People who grew up on my work.

I'd make a fucking tweet. I'd tell them it was a mistake and I love them.

I wouldn't send my publicist out to say oops, not even unlike the tweet first and pretend nothing happened
 

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Like I'd be mortified if I thought I made an entire group of fans think I hated them. People who grew up on my work.

I'd make a fucking tweet. I'd tell them it was a mistake and I love them.

I wouldn't send my publicist out to say oops, not even unlike the tweet first and pretend nothing happened
But she allowed them to make Hermione black in thr play!
 

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Explain to me how calling transwomen "men in dresses" isn't transphobic.

You act like it's shocking that people would automatically presume she endorses everything in that tweet by liking it, but who the fuck in their right mind likes a post that is OVERTLY transphobic if they don't concur? Same goes for any other bigotry. She either has made an extreme mistake or condones transphobia, you can dance around the issue all you want but it it's there for everyone to see.

Whoops! Oh geez, I accidentally liked something Richard Spencer said about keeping America racially pure, well, I guess I'll just leave it there. Whoops, I liked another thing Richard Spencer said on Twitter, guess I'll just leave that there too, I mean I could take it off and take a few seconds to explain what happened to make sure that no one got the wrong impression about my beliefs, but I wont.

Totally not a fan of neo Nazis and/or their message though..
 

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So wait hold up. You are complaining about separating the context of transgender troops in Trumps tweet which JK strangely ignores while responding to the other points and yet in the same breath claiming the context of her liking a blatant transphobic post with slur and everything is...suddenly unsubstantiated and not subject to the same context??
Sorry, I honestly did not understand your post. Regardless, let me explain the point I'm making in this thread.

My initial post said three things: I understand people's cynicism (but after reading some things in this thread, I don't think I'm as understanding as before), a like on Twitter is a poor way to determine someone's views on subject (especially when accidents can and do happen) and Rowling has opposed anti-trans views before (like the title of the link I shared in my first post mentions because in journalism context matters).

The issue I'm raising is that accidental likes are being seen as more important than actual vocal stances. The tweet by itself IS TRANSPHOBIC. (I might even add unnecessarily so, because there are ways to make that point without offending anyone.) But I do believe her when she said she liked it by accident. She follows a lot of Labour related accounts and the party is going through some gender related controversy (hopefully someone can explain it better as I'm not british), so that's how those tweets might have shown up for her. I understand those who don't because this has happened before (even though I find equally unnecessary some of the distortions and unsubstantiated accusations being made in this thread), but I've made my point clear before and I stand by my posts.

Again, sorry if I didn't address you point, I really didn't understand what you're trying to say.
 

EasyRoad

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Ah, after reading your post again, I think I found the source of my misunderstanding.

So wait hold up. You are complaining about separating the context of transgender troops in Trumps tweet which JK strangely ignores while responding to the other points and yet in the same breath claiming her liking a blatant transphobic post with slur and everything is...suddenly unsubstantiated and not subject to the same context??
I never said that her liking a transphobic tweet is unsubstantiated. That's a fact. I believe it was an accident, others don't. The unsubstantiated accusations I mentioned are linked here.
 

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Ah, after reading your post again, I think I found the source of my misunderstanding.


I never said that her liking a transphobic tweet is unsubstantiated. That's a fact. I believe it was an accident, others don't. The unsubstantiated accusations I mentioned are linked here.

Well then if you think it's a FACT that her liking and acknowledging a clearly transphobic tweet doesn't substantiate her being transphobic because it was an accident then please stop being a hypocrite and claiming her responding to another persons tweet WITHOUT acknowledging or mentioning the transphobia in that makes her suddenly championing Transexuals rights. You either accept the context of tweets as they are or you don't.
 

FeistyBoots

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Right, and that falls under a "minimum of tact and decorum," but when it comes down to it you can't actually police what people think about you, nor how they behave in private.




This...doesn't feel like you're actually responding to his point so much as you're just trying to steer the conversation back to where you can be outraged.

Isn't it a legitimate point? Even within the trans community I see wildly varying views on this sort of thing.

Some people feel that trans individuals have always been the gender they identify as, perhaps just in a mismatched physical body.
Some people feel that if they have to have major surgery to achieve the physical gender they desire, it inherently admits that they weren't that gender in the first place.

They're both valid views and I don't think the second is inherently hostile so much as just..."clinical."

Nope. This is total horseshit.

Many trans people feel they need surgery to align their body with their gender, not to become a different gender. Trans men are men. Trans women are women.
 
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