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Joe Biden: "Unlike the African American community with notable exceptions the Latino community is an incredibly diverse community"
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Maybe not "shitting"...*pregnant pause*
But, listening to the clips, there really was no reason to mention Black people at all. And rarely do these kinds of comparisons not offend anyone.
It was the most unnecessary thing to say.
The Gina Rodriguez joke was so funny because it was so apt.
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No doubt at all, like I said earlier he says so much stupid shit, especially when it comes to race. He should just stick to the specific topic and not try and draw comparisons at all.
Actually, know what? I'll bite. Show your work. Give us a diversity quotient of racial demographics, give us your formula, weightings for (geography, religion, language etc), how you're labelling people, etc. Let's get real scientific
"Aww shucks c'mon Strom... some of them are smart enough to be lawyers, maybe even president in a generation or three." -- during a random happy hour in '83.
Biden clarifies
It just says so much about our country that these are the 2 options we have. Obviously Biden isn't even as close to as bad as Trump, but my God. Why America?
Well, one of his staffers responds on his twitter account.
The Biden we see in interviews is the real Biden.
Because this place never did the work with racism. Look on the bright side, at least we aren't Virginians, forced to vote for a racist Blackface loving governor.
God, you're right. It's mortifying to think that talking point was probably signed off on by a number of people before it reached Biden's lips. But it's also a distinctly Biden-esque gaffe that serves to illustrate an ongoing pattern of behaviour. There's a part of him that continues to believe himself qualified to speak on behalf of - and apparently dictate reality to - disenfranchised minorities just because of who his former boss was. It's just a mind-bogglingly awful attitude to have now moreso than ever before. It should also be an easy one to straighten your head out about... like dude, just get in front of the mirror for five minutes per day:
"I'm a rich old white man with political clout and media presence. I repeat: I am a rich old white man with political clout and media presence. It is bad for me to make stupid generalisations while presuming I can speak for minority communities. I repeat: I'm a rich old white man..."
MSNBC is not even a left-leaning channel. It's a wealthy person's idea of liberal media as this wet blanket that cools down the extremity of Both Sides™ and moderates everything back towards 'sensible' right-of-centre policy. The channel has consistently failed to cover things contrary to the interests of their bosses at Comcast. Stephanie Ruhle memorably summoned her most superlatively bubbly energy to tell you that the rollback of FCC regulations in 2018 might even be a good thing. Later in the day, Rachel Maddow acknowledged the story upfront, hurriedly, almost apologetic in tone... before tapping those papers on her desk and moving swiftly onto the evening's Mueller time shit. Too high to deep dive for these clips, which I doubt made it to YouTube but I don't think I'm saying anything people aren't already somewhat aware of.
Alternatively, just watch a single fucking episode of Meet the Press. Look at Chuck Todd's gormless fucking apricot head and his insipid felt beard shrink onscreen as he quiveringly (yet somehow also smugly) brands obvious good and popular ideas like universal healthcare as wacky extreme talk. He knows better, his face gives everything away - the man's just a damn coward. FOX and OAN do not make a similar effort to dissuade their own audience from their beliefs, and as a result even this supposed 'liberal bastion' serves as another functioning cog in shifting the overton window to the right.
I think Chris Hayes does well with the contraints he faces, but he represents the very bare minimum of what left-wing media should strive to accomplish. Let's not even talk about Chris Matthews or Joe Scarborough. Anybody looking for genuine leftist media has no option on traditional TV networks, that much is clear, but they have a wealth of options online.
I live in Alexandria... guess who my black ass voted for? Fucking embarrassing.
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To be fair, we learned of Northam's transracial identity AFTER the election, lol.
That's not an apology. FFS Biden and the people around him are so bad at this.
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well first of all, no matter how you interpret or contextualize this comment, it was racist and insulting to black americans.
i think that a lot of people who are jumping to defend have this idea that attacking the D candidate from the left is part of what cost hillary the election, so they're ultra sensitive to that kind of criticism as they feel like it encourages the chance of trump being president. i dunno. lemme just say that if biden's record on race is a factor in someone choosing to not for him they definitely were not considering voting for him before these comments. second of all we NEED to hold politicians accountable, especially those who you view are more on your side.
well first of all, no matter how you interpret or contextualize this comment, it was racist and insulting to black americans.
i think that a lot of people who are jumping to defend have this idea that attacking the D candidate from the left is part of what cost hillary the election, so they're ultra sensitive to that kind of criticism as they feel like it encourages the chance of trump being president. i dunno. lemme just say that if biden's record on race is a factor in someone choosing to not for him they definitely were not considering voting for him before these comments. second of all we NEED to hold politicians accountable, especially those who you view are more on your side.
Why do we put up with this shit is beyond me.
Every time black people vote it's the lesser of two evils. It's getting grating.
I wish the Republican party wasn't a racist joke, or we had ranked choice voting or something to make white liberals stop taking us for granted. I really do.
Because this shit is grating.
Every time black people vote it's the lesser of two evils. It's getting grating.
I wish the Republican party wasn't a racist joke, or we had ranked choice voting or something to make white liberals stop taking us for granted. I really do.
Because this shit is grating.
It's time for Joe to have a script or something that he works out with his team first.
Biden's response:
Biden's response:
Eh, I get what his saying. While we aren't a monolith black americans have a lot of universal issues that we can at least get on the same page about.Issues change due to generation, class, sex but some of the big stuff stays constant since america is slow/been aint shit for forever. The Hispanic/Latinx diaspora just seems like a harder base to appeal to politically in the american way where we just group everyone together.
This gaffe will be forgotten in 2 days so while I don't hold it against anyone who is offended I cant be bothered.
This gaffe will be forgotten in 2 days so while I don't hold it against anyone who is offended I cant be bothered.
It's always a no-win scenario.
Republicans want to genocide us, so they're a non-starter.
Democrats only care about us every four years because we're necessary to maintain power, and they'll threaten us if we get even the slightest bit annoyed with them ("Fine; eat four more years, you ingrates.")
Can't choose to abstain from voting or vote for another party either because then you're labeled a horrible person equivalent to the Republicans. It doesn't matter if the Democrat is not gonna do anything for you.
And even the above statement is enough to get you labeled as a both sideser. "You're annoyed that we like the police too? That sounds like some equating to me. I guess you want four more years!"
We're basically the conscience of America because white people can't be fucking bothered to just be better people.
It's extremely uncomfortable reading a white politician refer to the "African American community" repeatedly in such a rapid fire way. Full cringe, can't even put my finger on why. He desperately needs someone to help his messaging wrt/BIPOC.
This is where I am. It's a cringe apology, even in the context of a white politician trying to not rock the boat.
What's worrisome is he's got some many Black people on his team. He's responses to Black people shouldn't be this sloppy.
This is true.
White people (collectively) get to be children, abstain, vote with their conscience, but we have the dagger of the Republican party over our heads every time we pull the lever.
And instead not the work being appreciated we are just called dumb muppets that vote Dem like we truly have a choice. We are engaged enough to vote for a reason and what are we thanked with? Clown after clown representing this Democratic party for white people who weren't going to vote for them anyway.
I don't expect any changes for policing or any of the shit Dems say they will do for black folk anymore, this shit just breaks you. And it's all because I don't expect white people to do the work.
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Hasn't his campaign had some serious issues with listening to black voices? I remember reading an article recently about a woman who worked on his campaign leaving because much of the leadership team is white and they weren't listening to her/other black campaign staff.
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First past the post, since it causes everyone to get lumped into two massive parties to try to get 50.1% of the vote or else lose everything. It's gotta go.
This is what I interpreted the comments as myself. Besides the poor wording, what's the outrage about? It's largely true.
He's talking about Cuba? How has this been left out of *everywhere*?
Biden saying something stupidly offensive is part of who he has been as a politician since forever. I really doubt this is the last bizarre thing he will say, specially when pressure grows and he can't hide crafter speeches and operatives tweets anymore. Sigh.