You can get sick of a genre without anyone forcing you to watch these movies.
JOKER - Review Thread "RT (88%|9.02/10)“
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You can get sick of a genre without anyone forcing you to watch these movies.
what was the best show of the year that todd phillips is apparently responsible for? do tell me that part please
i do know he wrote and directed a lot of bad dude bro movies. Guess you were just lying then, good for you i guess. im finished with this rather strange conversation.
Honestly, your point went over their head no point in arguing with people that have already made up their mind. Tho I personally don't think Chernobyl was the best show this year (It's still a great show) but your point still stands.
That would be Joker. His previous drama was a decent first go at the genre for him and his writing has always been very crowd pleasing.
Edit: oh the Scary movie/hangover and a TV show.his previous writing partner for the Hangover movies went on to write Chernobyl at HBo this past year. He also wrote some Scary Movies.
No thread will ever come close to the Neogaf BVS review thread.
But the leaked script!!!
Glad to see this reviewing well. Really looking forward to see it now.
Glad to see this reviewing well. Really looking forward to see it now.
what the fuck does craig mazin got to do with this movie though? and chernobyl is not the best show of the year but ok
let's just say that if you respect your own intellect you wont go into joker for social commentary, that will be the 4chan plan...but whatever floats your boat
Here's an except of the nuance exhibited by Phillips in Joker taken from a review I read earlier:
Just wait until people here can actually see the movie!
The good reviews make me more sad this is a Joker movie. I hate the idea of Joker having any origin story. I'll just watch and pretend this is called "Clowner" or something.
The reviews have made it clear it's left fairly ambiguous and the narrative is open to interpretation in many ways. I doubt this is the concrete Joker origin you're worried about.
It's nice to have variety. Comic book characters can be so rich, but it's wasted when all of the movies have the same intentions with their execution. So, instead of every CBM chasing the MCU moneypot why not get creative with it?
Just view it as the elseworlds tale that it is. I doubt we'll be seeing Phoenix going up against Robert Pattinson anytime soon. I don't view Superman as being a weapon of the KGB, but I'm definitely ok with getting a story about it.
Why? He had an origin story in Burton Batman, he had one in The Killing Joke. Even the comics have told origin stories, admittedly many variations, which is where the multiple choices of Ledger's Joker came from. Ledger's wasn't shown but like the comics it could be because he just doesn't really remember his previous life. It was in no way a thing to not have an origin story for the Joker.
I've heard that review has some spoilers in it so I want to avoid it. Would you mind sharing what personal insults were in it?
There are videos of people who record themselves screaming in movie theaters with hundreds of thousands of views.
The bar is lower than you think it is.
The only way that thread is being topped is if Episode IX gets a rotten score, which ain't happening.
Yeah I had a good laugh reading it. A critic should try to at least hide their agenda. It read like a long forum post.
That's a sentiment I've seen from multiple posters. There are some people that think we shouldn't have stories that could be in any way misinterpreted by the worst of humanity, even if that story is blatantly against those people.
Huh. To say he has mixed feelings on the film is an understatement.
But I sure hate the phrase edgelord. Its corny and reductive and is being used way too much.
Phoenix turning in a solid performance was expected; but based on Todd Phillips' track record (mostly misses than hits), I was seriously expecting the rest of this film to be not good, rather than the other way around.
Isn't this simply down to film critics watching a movie and discussing through the lens of y'know, cinema?
Instead of the now-ingrained MCU audience (ie all of us, no matter your opinion on any individual entry) that looks at something through the prism of those particular movies and those particular performances within?
Instead of the now-ingrained MCU audience (ie all of us, no matter your opinion on any individual entry) that looks at something through the prism of those particular movies and those particular performances within?
Unless there's something really intriguing to the plot that the trailers completely omit (and I am generally aware at this point of who gets killed), this movie really seems to me like a case of style that tricks people into feeling like there's substance.
I always hope to be wrong when thinking a movie looks bad or mediocre, so I hope I'm wrong but... yeesh, does that trailer make it look like the socioeconomic aspects are going to be superficial at best, and completely embarrassing at worst.
I always hope to be wrong when thinking a movie looks bad or mediocre, so I hope I'm wrong but... yeesh, does that trailer make it look like the socioeconomic aspects are going to be superficial at best, and completely embarrassing at worst.
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Phoenix turning in a solid performance was expected; but based on Todd Phillips' track record (mostly misses than hits), I was seriously expecting the rest of this film to be not good, rather than the other way around.
I agree, but to be fair, Todd Phillips also had Scott Silver co-writing the screenplay.
Scott Silver has a history of writing/co-writing good serious dramas. Like 8 Mile and The Fighter.
Sympathizing with a character isn't the same as justification for their atrocities and it continues to astound me how many people seem to conflate the two.
When Allan Moore wrote The Killing Joke, he created a backstory for a villain who – up until that point – had been largely a one-note sociopath and psychopathic killer. He made him a failure who loses the only good thing in his life and through a string of unfortunate events has his mind torn to pieces and stitched back together by one final trauma, converting him into a super-villain.
Yet at no point does the Killing Joke ever absolve the Joker of his evil deeds or make excuses for his behaviors. Towards the end Batman reinforces this by demonstrating how Gordon – despite the horrific machinations of the Joker – maintains his sanity and bearings even in the face of his own personal tragedy and when Batman points this out, it infuriates the Joker because his excuse for being a monster is essentially obliterated.
Now, I haven't seen this film yet but unless the message at the end is that we are supposed to be rooting for this murderous madman or that his transformation isn't his own fault, there's really no problem and hopefully we haven't reached a point where nuance and characterization must be extricated from our on-screen villains because we fear some subset of fools might misread the thematic intent.
For example, I've encountered people who think the character of Anton Chigurh is the 'hero' of No Country for Old Men.
You can't modulate or control stupidity.
When Allan Moore wrote The Killing Joke, he created a backstory for a villain who – up until that point – had been largely a one-note sociopath and psychopathic killer. He made him a failure who loses the only good thing in his life and through a string of unfortunate events has his mind torn to pieces and stitched back together by one final trauma, converting him into a super-villain.
Yet at no point does the Killing Joke ever absolve the Joker of his evil deeds or make excuses for his behaviors. Towards the end Batman reinforces this by demonstrating how Gordon – despite the horrific machinations of the Joker – maintains his sanity and bearings even in the face of his own personal tragedy and when Batman points this out, it infuriates the Joker because his excuse for being a monster is essentially obliterated.
Now, I haven't seen this film yet but unless the message at the end is that we are supposed to be rooting for this murderous madman or that his transformation isn't his own fault, there's really no problem and hopefully we haven't reached a point where nuance and characterization must be extricated from our on-screen villains because we fear some subset of fools might misread the thematic intent.
For example, I've encountered people who think the character of Anton Chigurh is the 'hero' of No Country for Old Men.
You can't modulate or control stupidity.
I thought War Dogs was really good and showed Todd Phillip's had another side to him than just comedy.
Besides that, I thought key and Peele were complete garbage. I thought their show was mostly miss and found them annoying. And yet Peele delivered a horror master piece out of nowhere.
People dont have to fit inside a box, and they can grow as artists. It seems Todd is growing.
I cant wait to watch this and look forward to more of his output post comedy.
Besides that, I thought key and Peele were complete garbage. I thought their show was mostly miss and found them annoying. And yet Peele delivered a horror master piece out of nowhere.
People dont have to fit inside a box, and they can grow as artists. It seems Todd is growing.
I cant wait to watch this and look forward to more of his output post comedy.
That was more about how the concept of slavery still existing was being pushed and the show would be run by two white dudes. It's a completely different situation.