Justice Department releases redacted Mueller report (See Threadmarks for Summaries)
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Redactions might explain this ultimately, as might the remaining criminal referrals, but can anyone glean from this report why so many people were offered sweetheart cooperation deals by the Mueller team?
It seems ridiculous to me that someone like Flynn is getting a lighter sentence if he couldn't offer up any evidence to indict someone "higher up" than himself.
It seems ridiculous to me that someone like Flynn is getting a lighter sentence if he couldn't offer up any evidence to indict someone "higher up" than himself.
Okay, that's fine.
First, I think that any "moderates" in the Senate can and should be pressured in their states if and when the House considers impeachment. If Indivisible can go for them at town halls over ACA repeal, let these senators hear from people who don't want to be governed by a criminal. Even if a two-thirds majority isn't possible, imagine the horrid damage to the Trump administration if a majority of the Senate buckles and votes to convict. If the darlings vote the wrong way? Then the Blue challenger should go no-holds barred: they voted for a liar and a thief and should be considered guilty at the ballot box. Call them traitors and co-conspirators.
Every single piece of evidence and testimony from a subpoenaed Trump aide can be aired or put on YouTube. Every time they denied an order from the president because they thought the president was ordering something illegal. Every time Sarah Sanders has to say she fucking lied at a press conference and has no basis in reality, under oath. Every time a co-conspirator doesn't remember why he deleted texts asked for by the Special Counsel.
And I think the 2020 manifesto is pretty easy. Sure, talk about M4A. Talk about the environment, inequality, justice reform. All that. But the core is clear - we can't survive a justice system that lets a president bully and lie to us. We can't survive a Republican Party that forgot its reason to exist and aids acts of injustice and theft. This government is Donald Trump fucking stealing from us EVERY DAY and now we know how. He's corrupt. He's a hoe. He's a casual traitor. The Republicans are too because they'll tolerate ANYTHING.
Remember that a lot of voters wanted a Democrat BECAUSE they think Trump is a criminal and want someone to stand up to him. If the Democrats follow Hoyer's lead, and they stand for nothing, then they have no authority to govern and no right to ask for my vote again. That's also supposed to be the core of the Democratic message: "we believe in truth, justice and the American way" and the Republicans don't. The alternative is a Republican Party that's feckless and a Democratic Party that's gutless.
Wanna play for time? Then a clear roadmap at least needs to come from Team Blue: "we're subpoenaing for the full report, we're subpoenaing the AG for lying his ass off, and we're not ASKING Mueller, we're ordering him to fill in the blanks. We're done asking and we're done fucking around and you can call us whatever you want. And we will not rule out impeachment."
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Right... and him ordering illegal acts is still obstruction of justice, regardless of whether or not his lackeys follow through.
Yeah, I read through the entire thread and was fine (outburst of incredulous laughter) but seeing it all summarized like that as I built the post actually got me kind of emotional? It's just so... so totally fucked. I hate it.
Exactly. Impeachment serves more than 1 purpose and it isn't mutually exclusive to the 2020 presidential race.
I know right... Fuck giving Trump a pass, in any capacity.
People like Oleg Deripaska and Dimitri Simes aren't Kremlin officials per se, more like MOBSTERS.
It is, it's basically playing hard to get in order to sell it. "I wasn't gonna support it, but then this report and Mueller's testimony convinced my skeptical self otherwise."
If you can't impeach him for crimes, and there are far more than just what this report covers, then impeach him for being such a terrible leader he can't get his aides to follow his orders, or impeach him for being such a terrible judge of character that the "best people" he knows are all going to jail. Unfit to be Pres, no matter what the criteria.
It's frustrating. Taking into account all that Trump has done, if impeachment isn't applicable here, then when is it honestly?
Precisely, there needs to be a strict level of standards imposed if we want to take the office of presidency seriously. If we have the bar set so low for a democratic president to be impeached because an intern sucked him off, then where does everything else fall?
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Other Clinton's eeeeemails and Benghaaaaaaaziii need investigating aggggaaaaaiiinnnn
Also her husband cheated on him, so that obviously means shes not qualified.
I am holding out hope that Mueller's testimony will be the impetus to move these folks closer to AOC. So fucking pathetic. Republicans dont give two shits about conviction.
Fuck all of this "let the people vote him out". He wins the election in 2020, and then what?! You see what happened when we left the Supreme Court seat to the "election".
We are acting like this is a given or something. The same powers that helped put him in office are still out there, and fuckery is still a possibility.
The people who voted for the Democrats to control the house, did so with the thought that they would provide checks and balances. This is where they need to step up and do their part. If the shoe was on the other foot, and Obama did one tenth of what you see in this report, Jim Joyce and his boys would have the unredacted report in their hands and sent to the senate for Mitch and his boys to pounce.
Dems love playing fair and its gonna cost them.
Also... this president is still in office doing horrible shit every day. Yea he is embarrassed about what was let out today, but once the initial shock wears off, he will still be out fucking our country up.
We are acting like this is a given or something. The same powers that helped put him in office are still out there, and fuckery is still a possibility.
The people who voted for the Democrats to control the house, did so with the thought that they would provide checks and balances. This is where they need to step up and do their part. If the shoe was on the other foot, and Obama did one tenth of what you see in this report, Jim Joyce and his boys would have the unredacted report in their hands and sent to the senate for Mitch and his boys to pounce.
Dems love playing fair and its gonna cost them.
Also... this president is still in office doing horrible shit every day. Yea he is embarrassed about what was let out today, but once the initial shock wears off, he will still be out fucking our country up.
She clearly gets it... and understands why doing your duty isn't losing.
You hate to see it.
That's another member of high leadership that's basically leaked their thinking in regards to where they'll ultimately end up.
AOC is gonna be president one day. She's brilliant. Supports good policy, and knows how to control the narrative.
He means 400 pages, right? Else he's got some biiiiiig font going on ;)
Its sad that I'm proud shes doing her job, while other people Fuck around.
Not acting on this will enable trump to do the exact same shit next election cycle. Hell, im sure hes already planning on it.
We arent going to get a second investigation into what he does in 2020. They need to act regardless of if it ends in impeachment or not. Do not allow this shit to happen without repercussion.
We arent going to get a second investigation into what he does in 2020. They need to act regardless of if it ends in impeachment or not. Do not allow this shit to happen without repercussion.
Wow, they just had Trump's press secretary on npr, what a fucking loon. Jesus fuck.
Don't let up on these people.
Don't let up on these people.
Donald... mate. You're in there, being corralled by your aides for your own good. Dude, we can read. I know this is hard to comprehend, but other people got brains, and they're bigger than yours.
The idea that many could read the stuff in this and conclude "eh there's nothin really here, let's go home" is evidence of just how bizarro world our modern politics has become.
Thank God, these old mofos need to go to the nursing home. Wtf is the law amirite? At least someone gives a shit about the rules
AOC and Rashida showing these cowards how it's done
The fact that "probably" exists in that sentence says it all
She is one of the few who deserves the position she has. I wish we could vote all of these old fucks out of office that care more about their fucking win/loss ratio than actually doing their sworn duty as elected officials.
It is genuinely astounding how a 29 year old freshman politician is far, far better at it than all the so called experienced politicians
Fair enough, if she"s willing to risk it then...it might not be a bad move.
Pathetic. I think the time for Democrats essentially writing angry letters and getting applauded for it stops here. The only response I want to hear is that the option is now on the table.
You're not a lawyer for hire you asshole. You're supposed to represent the American people and fight for them.
Of course AOC has to be the one to show some spine when the "leadership" is running for the hills.
Obstruction of justice means nothing anymore to this position. He has done it already and openly states his ability to do so. The people that are meant to oversee him are either toothless or corrupt and he knows it.