Have a guessOf course you can. But it's not at all obvious to me why one should. What is the point of pretending that is not the word in the song?
Have a guessOf course you can. But it's not at all obvious to me why one should. What is the point of pretending that is not the word in the song?
If Kendrick had given her permission to say it, do you think people still would have taken issue with it?
The idea is Orwellian, not the consequences. Obviously white people are not being disappeared for using the n-word.
Is that presumption based on similar incidents at other concerts?
Of course you can. But it's not at all obvious to me why one should. What is the point of pretending that is not the word in the song?
If Kendrick had given her permission to say it, do you think people still would have taken issue with it?
So it's not a problem saying that all white people that don't use the n-word, are only doing it because they are scared of the consequences but really want to say it anyways? None of them could possibly not say it because they are being respectful?
They exercise restraint because they know they'd be labelled a racist or punched in the mouth for it, not because they actually respect the other person.
If Kendrick had given her permission to say it, do you think people still would have taken issue with it?
When a generation of white women regularly hear that word used without qualification in music that is specifically marketed to them as a demographic - it's understandable. It's still wrong. But I'm sympathetic to the ignorance.
The idea is Orwellian, not the consequences. Obviously white people are not being disappeared for using the n-word.
It's based on random tweets from random people, so it's probably not true.If what the top comment on reddit is true then that seems weird but either way it won't change anything One side will say no one say it, other will say only black people should, and another will say it couldn't matter if it is a quote from a song. People are gonna do what they want anyways.
fair enough (and not true for all cases), but that still means that they dont know the word is wrong to use like you initially implied
Keep reading the thread.I read the first pages but couldn't find anyone explaining this.
As a foreigner I guess I don't understand, why is it socially acceptable for a black person to say the nigga word but not a white one? This is a real question, even if just proves I'm ignorant..
When Kendrick sings the song, does he not say the word anymore? Or if it was a black person on the stage it would be okay for him to say it? Please someone enlighten me.
We're really confused about "all white people" in this day and age?
If you feel targeted by someone saying "all white people" or "white people" then chances are you're part of the group they're talking about.
Good because I never said that. I said they do know the word is wrong to use, but are still trying to fight for the right to say it anyways.
It's a moot point why they aren't sayin niggaSo it's not a problem saying that all white people that don't use the n-word, are only doing it because they are scared of the consequences but really want to say it anyways? None of them could possibly not say it because they are being respectful?
That's good but it wouldn't be the first time I heard of someone saying that. I remember one summer jam lil Wayne saying everyone sing along no matter what but I just started shaking my head and was like that won't end well.It's based on random tweets from random people, so it's probably not true.
Read the whole thread. Or even the previous thread.I read the first pages but couldn't find anyone explaining this.
As a foreigner I guess I don't understand, why is it socially acceptable for a black person to say the nigga word but not a white one? This is a real question, even if just proves I'm ignorant..
When Kendrick sings the song, does he not say the word anymore? Or if it was a black person on the stage it would be okay for him to say it? Please someone enlighten me.
If what the top comment on reddit is true then that seems weird but either way it won't change anything One side will say no one say it, other will say only black people should, and another will say it couldn't matter if it is a quote from a song. People are gonna do what they want anyways.
Do you find the majority of those banned for bad faith to actually have salient points?
I read the first pages but couldn't find anyone explaining this.
As a foreigner I guess I don't understand, why is it socially acceptable for a black person to say the nigga word but not a white one? This is a real question, even if just proves I'm ignorant..
When Kendrick sings the song, does he not say the word anymore? Or if it was a black person on the stage it would be okay for him to say it? Please someone enlighten me.
Not for meIf Kendrick had given her permission to say it, do you think people still would have taken issue with it?
Does it matter? Seems like mod just had a bad morning.Do you find the majority of those banned for bad faith to actually have salient points?
It's a moot point why they aren't sayin nigga
The outcome is more important, which is respecting black people
I read the first pages but couldn't find anyone explaining this.
As a foreigner I guess I don't understand, why is it socially acceptable for a black person to say the nigga word but not a white one? This is a real question, even if just proves I'm ignorant..
When Kendrick sings the song, does he not say the word anymore? Or if it was a black person on the stage it would be okay for him to say it? Please someone enlighten me.
If what the top comment on reddit is true then that seems weird but either way it won't change anything One side will say no one say it, other will say only black people should, and another will say it couldn't matter if it is a quote from a song. People are gonna do what they want anyways.
I read the first pages but couldn't find anyone explaining this.
As a foreigner I guess I don't understand, why is it socially acceptable for a black person to say the nigga word but not a white one? This is a real question, even if just proves I'm ignorant..
When Kendrick sings the song, does he not say the word anymore? Or if it was a black person on the stage it would be okay for him to say it? Please someone enlighten me.
Not pretending it doesn't exist, just not saying it
Because when it is used by white people, it is inexorably a slur thanks to the inescapable history behind its usage. In order for it to be reclaimed by black people, that history/usage of the word needs to be put out of use, which means white people shouldn't say it.
If you don't say it in private it won't slip out in public. That's why all these posters saying "i'll sing along in my car but not in public" are on some dumb shit. They're just setting themselves up for the exact same situationKinda? I dunno, maybe it was the pressure of being up called up on stage and you slipped in excitement to 'sing along' and the instinct to self-censor yourself (as much as you should) might not have kicked in. I blanked once during public speaking when I finally got up there and looks like a dummy for about 10 seconds trying to refocus.
If a person, white or not, is at a Kendrick concert, I'd assume they're a fan at the very least who don't mean total ill-will to POCs. :/ They're there for the music, sometimes said music has bad words.
I hope there isn't that much bad blood between what happened anyway, seems like an unfortunate slip to deal with.
It's a weird situation though, and still a pretty great learning moment I guess.
I'm not white nor black. Shit's nebulous. Thanks for the vague accusation tho.
Holy shit. Members are being ban left and right for "bad faith"?
As I typed earlier in this thread, she slipped up and rightfully got called out on it. The points being brought up here that are in bad faith are usually arguing WHY shouldn't she be able to say it? That is a whole other thing.Kinda? I dunno, maybe it was the pressure of being up called up on stage and you slipped in excitement to 'sing along' and the instinct to self-censor yourself (as much as you should) might not have kicked in. I blanked once during public speaking when I finally got up there and looks like a dummy for about 10 seconds trying to refocus.
If a person, white or not, is at a Kendrick concert, I'd assume they're a fan at the very least who don't mean total ill-will to POCs. :/ They're there for the music, sometimes said music has bad words.
Holy shit. Members are being ban left and right for "bad faith"?
I saw him in AZ when this song was about to play he stopped the entire show and said something along of the lines that "I don't care if you're white, black, brown, etc..., you all are allowed to say/sing along with every word". He made a point of it to let everyone say the n word. This is bizarre.
Holy shit. Members are being ban left and right for "bad faith"?
If I got called on stage by a black artist to sing their song which they know has multiple n-bombs which are awkward when ommitted (and really awkward when substituted), and they didn't give me any guidance on how to handle it, I'd be a bit lost.
thats what i meant, my bad
that doesn''t mean they do know its wrong to use like you initially implied
I'm not black so while I have an idea I rather let a black person explain it. Try this video in example, it's short and does go over few of the issues. She says she doesn't use it herself but explains that to many it's a way of reclaiming that word which has been used (still is) to opress them. While obviously white people haven't been opressed with same words (This is me, not her saying it).I read the first pages but couldn't find anyone explaining this.
As a foreigner I guess I don't understand, why is it socially acceptable for a black person to say the nigga word but not a white one? This is a real question, even if just proves I'm ignorant..
When Kendrick sings the song, does he not say the word anymore? Or if it was a black person on the stage it would be okay for him to say it? Please someone enlighten me.
Ok, but Lamar didn't say here it's ok to use it, he said don't. And Lamar isn't Lil Wayne. Lil Wayne could feel differently, they are different people even if they have similar skin color. And also, it shouldn't be about waiting for a pass from your favorite rapper. There's plenty of people who take offense with a good reason too, so just don't.That's good but it wouldn't be the first time I heard of someone saying that. I remember one summer jam lil Wayne saying everyone sing along no matter what but I just started shaking my head and was like that won't end well.
Here's what that top comment says, and a link:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Music/comm...r_gets_called_out_for_publicity_stunt/dzdf4ue
I've never been to a Kendrick concert (or really any concert in the last 10 years), so I can't confirm obviously.
(Not directed at you since you are providing the thread with further context after that vague post)Here's what that top comment says, and a link:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Music/comm...r_gets_called_out_for_publicity_stunt/dzdf4ue
I've never been to a Kendrick concert (or really any concert in the last 10 years), so I can't confirm obviously.
Yes they do because otherwise they wouldn't show restraint in saying it. I don't know how often I have to repeat this.... Also considering the history of our country no America can claim not to know the history of that word and why it shouldn't be acceptable for a white person to say it.
I am going to answer this in good faith.
"Nigger" is a slur that non-black people call black people. I'm not sure where you're from, but your country has slurs for women, gay folks, black folks, etc., as well.
Black people call each other that word (with the "-er" sound dropped as part of a reduced form of the word) as an act of reclaiming the word for themselves. It is (usually) used in a way to show brother or sisterhood with one another (and sometimes in anger).
If a white person uses it - being racist (historically)
If a black person uses it - reclamation
Kendrick is black. He can say it. So can black fans. White fans shouldn't since a lot of them and their family members use it to disparage black folks, not in a reclamatory way.
I find it hard to believe that you actually did if you're asking a question like this.
This reminds me of that time samuel Jackson wouldn't respond to his interviewer's question unless he said the word instead of a substitute. Was Jackson in the wrong here?
I don't think it's reasonable to expect people to ignore all context and just "never ever EVER say it in any situation," when that's not actually a universally agreed upon social moore, even among black folk. There are exceptions. Not many, but still. If I got called on stage by a black artist to sing their song which they know has multiple n-bombs which are awkward when ommitted (and really awkward when substituted), and they didn't give me any guidance on how to handle it, I'd be a bit lost.
I would 100% just not say it; I mean anyone who raps along at a rap concert should already have this figured out. That's what I don't get about this topic; are you throwing n-bombs around in the crowd when you rap along? At clubs if songs come on?
Since I'm not throwing the word around anyways, but do rap along.. I'd continue to do what I do if I were ever brought on stage by a rapper. I personally just skip the word.