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Kevin Pereira's TheAttack banned from Twitch for Viewbotting
- Thread starter Iori Fuyusaka
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Yeah it's a bit shitty but given some of the other things streamers and YouTubers have done, it's pretty tame.
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That sucks. I'm literally only just now hearing about this and I loved Attack of the Show (when it was still mainly gaming focused) and Pereira's Youtube talkshow :/
That was only a temporary thing last summer. The Attack was kinda hurting for a while now and was basically dead as it couldn't make money
Still this isn't some mortal sin or something. I'd assume a lot of other channels do it
This is the first I'm even hearing of the show. Maybe I'll subscribe because I loved ATOS back in the day.
And honestly, viewbotting is not that big of a deal for the consumer. I'm sure twitch is a little unhappy about it and its against their ToS, but its not shitty to the consumer.
And honestly, viewbotting is not that big of a deal for the consumer. I'm sure twitch is a little unhappy about it and its against their ToS, but its not shitty to the consumer.
I don't feel bad for him, and you know he's hardly the only one. I'd wager more than a few of the threads made here about various events with great amounts of people watching had view bots in them to boost the numbers dramatically.
I'm going to be honest, I don't much care if people viewbot on Twitch, the platform has a very severe discoverability issue and there are countless good streamers out there that never get the attention they deserve. At this point it isn't even worth becoming a streamer unless you're ridiculously good at a particular game because the days of being able to casually pick up 30-50 viewers with a bunch of friendly regulars just from having some fun are long gone. The viewbots haven't done anything but raise visibility of his channel in the same way that paid advertising would, it is still up to viewers if they enjoy the content long enough to stay around, chat, subscribe or become a patreon. Twitch may not like it, but the problem wouldn't exist if they'd put some effort into helping small channels grow rather than trying to quickly push them into the cycle of begging for money and taking a nice 50% cut of it.
I completely understand why he would use a viewbot, getting noticed on Twitch in this day and age is really difficult. But they have been on a decline for a long time which suggests the content just wasn't really connecting with viewers and in that case viewbotting would do absolutely nothing.
Well dead in the sense that he essentially employed the entire staff of the show and many of them left their other jobs to try and make this work. And since he got them banned from twitch, they basically don't have jobs. Now granted it was gonna fail eventually anyway
Yeah I fail to see how this is a big deal. I mean you shouldn't do it but like...who cares?
Edit: After seeing the above post it makes more sense, clearly the staff would be mad. Then again it kind of sounds like the writing was on the wall anyway
Edit: After seeing the above post it makes more sense, clearly the staff would be mad. Then again it kind of sounds like the writing was on the wall anyway
Yeah. But if they could somehow make it to the summer, Disney might again do the video game block and that would allow them to continue for a few more months etc. then they could catch on(unlikely)
Damn, i feel old. I hope you are just new to games and not some 10 year old.
Edit: I think you meant "The Attack" and not "Attack of the show".
There's a Hearthstone streamer I used to watch (can't remember his name anymore) which I found to be pretty likable. Streamed with his mother in the same room and all. Didn't scream or do "fun Twitch stuff" on camera, you know what I mean.
Some time later I found out he used viewbotting to boost his numbers (while also turning more and more into a typical streamer). From that moment on, whenever his name was uttered there were tons of "lol he's dead" responses.
I guess when it comes to Twitch culture viewbotting is seen as a very big deal. I don't care that much either, to be honest though.
Just for some comparison. The Attack was getting 5k a month from Patreon and easy allies is getting 40k a month. So it really was bleak
I just feel really sad for him. I even remember him thinking about trying to learn VR development a few years back. Olivia Munn really won out.
Geez. Like I said, just sad.
Geez. Like I said, just sad.
For those that don't know, ViewBots basically help falsify the real viewer count for a given stream. The benefit to the person using this method is that their view count goes up, which could potentially help with adverting by making it seem like they have a ton of perspective viewers (i.e. customers for the advertiser).
Also, like a popular club, more people will enter a club that is full, more so than one that is empty, so a harmful side effect to this for other streamers is that potential viewers decide to go to this full club (streamer using ViewBots) rather than their own stream, thus making it harder for the honest streamers to gain a foot hold.
It's just a shitty untruthful method and people are always apologetic once they get caught. He knew exactly what he was doing.
Also, like a popular club, more people will enter a club that is full, more so than one that is empty, so a harmful side effect to this for other streamers is that potential viewers decide to go to this full club (streamer using ViewBots) rather than their own stream, thus making it harder for the honest streamers to gain a foot hold.
It's just a shitty untruthful method and people are always apologetic once they get caught. He knew exactly what he was doing.
I'm not surprised, the numbers never added up since no actual people ever talked about or shared the show.
Holy shit, I didn't even know there was a successor to Attack of the Show until now, used to watch that all the time along with X-Play. Sad to see it already die off
I have no doubt in my mind that tons of Twitch's big name streamers use viewbots to some extent. And not only that, but Twitch probably knows and allows it simply because they make enough money off of them.
They should of been a bit smarter though. They must have been sending a large amount of fake viewers for long periods of time without making them seem real. Should of just passed on it altogether, though. Especially since he was already making a fair amount of viewers just based off of people who knew him beforehand.
They should of been a bit smarter though. They must have been sending a large amount of fake viewers for long periods of time without making them seem real. Should of just passed on it altogether, though. Especially since he was already making a fair amount of viewers just based off of people who knew him beforehand.
I had no idea this was even a thing... I would have definitely watched it.
View botting , fake followers , and the like are so rampant within all of social media .It's quite a drag.
It's been around for a few years actually.
Also I think one of the bigger mistakes was that initially Kevin was a host but then he passed it off to another host(Alex) and while he's fine, he's no Kevin pereira
Also they didn't really advertise it at all. Like if I didn't randomly wonder what Kevin was doing one day years ago, I would've never stumbled upon it or the pointless podcast
When everyone else is cheating to get ahead, not doing so can only hurt you. It's the steroid problem in sports.
Yup. I feel bad for him. He tried to hang on, but we're living in a new era. What he did on TV a decade ago doesn't work now. The kids want personality based streamers and his old fans have grown up and no longer find that kind of show appealing.
I don't think it's that it's not found appealing as it was basically what kind of funny does daily and they get more viewers and have a community. This just wasn't as visible. Greg and co or the easy allies guys had been doing gaming stuff more recently so when they decided to do patrons and stuff it was fresh in people's minds. Kevin had been doing the tru tv show and other ventures for years after AOTS and then tried to do this but nobody knew about it
You're right. I stumbled across it by accident. Think he waited too long to start the show. Would've been more successful if he had done it right after AOTS ended.
As I said above, I wonder how Kevin feels about that. I agree, she's a pretty terrible actress but still keeps getting roles.
Agreed. I think another part of it is that TheAttack is so produced, whereas ontop of personality based content, people like long form/candid/conversational discussions which is counter to the quicker pace of their show.