Kim-Trump Summit Thread - Fire and Fury Edition
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Also got Trump to agree to halt joint SK exercises and got Trump to use the North Korean propaganda calling the exercises "provocative" instead of that the exercises were "defensive in nature" like every past President.
"trump understands" is doubtful on the best of days let alone in relation to a massively complex geopolitical hotspot
On top of Trump saying he would stop them. He also gave Ammunition to China and Russia. By saying US Military Exercises are provocations Russia can use that regarding NATO exercises. China can use the Presidents words in regard to the South China sea. This is more than Trump bumbling his way through North Korea.
We still need clarification on if this is just the decapitation drills or all drills. If it's the latter, then fuck that.
So now that Trump has said that these war games are provocative, and is even open to withdrawing the US military presence in the region, does that mean Trump supporters will now claim that they've always loved North Korea, and that only libtards would want to suppress our Good Friends there, and support the despotic regime that is South Korea?
Now try and get them to define what antagonism actually is. First they'll say it's X, then they'll say it's Y, then they'll say it's both X and Y.
They're already talking about lifting sanctions during the period of good will. That's some chutzpah.
Honestly, to Trump, he probably thinks lying and kissing ass is normal for any meeting even if you don't think anything will come from it. He's a Real Estate guy. He thinks he can say the guy is great and that things went great and then walk away and think nothing he said matters because he didn't make a deal. The problem is that the pool of entities with which you can deal is very small in global politics, and you reputation can erode quickly.
I'd be SHOCKED if the US capitulated on sanctions and military exercises without some major major gesture by DPRK. I've said it before: Trump was always planning on meeting, getting a good photo-op, then saying 'we couldn't make a deal so I walked away from negotiations' and I still think that's what we're going to see. Who knew solving the NK problem was so difficult?
Concessions left and right. What the fuck is going on?
This looks awful. Who is Trump working for here?
This looks awful. Who is Trump working for here?
Agreed. Halting the decapitation drills in the meantime, I get. But halting all joint exercises with SK (which we still don't have clarity on if it's the case or not) and lifting sanctions need to wait until after actual de-nuking has begun or been completed. If NK wants all that now, then they can fuck back off again. In fact, non-decapitation joint drills with SK should never cease, regardless.
Trump already bullshitted and said Denuking is like a 15 year process. What he did make sure to point out last night and again today was how great Hotels and condos would be in North Korea beaches etc. So we know his true motives
According to North Korean media Trump agreed to visit North Korea. He wasn't just invited by Kim, he fucking accepted it. Oh and he also invited Kim to Washington as well.
I mean fuck me Kim has played him like a fiddle. He now gets to look like a true world statesman thanks to Trumps ego and not the leader of a crazy, horrific regime.
I mean fuck me Kim has played him like a fiddle. He now gets to look like a true world statesman thanks to Trumps ego and not the leader of a crazy, horrific regime.
"North Korea's official KCNA newswire is portraying Trump as having given in to Kim Jong-un's "demand""
I don't have an issue with this. I just take issue with the complete vagueness of what is being conceded, and for what in return. I find it surprising that the WH hasn't cleared up the big questions yet.
Trump made it very clear last night. He had a whole 5-10 minute rant on what the United States is getting. A whole lot of promises to cooperate and that is it. Trump then followed it up by saying he could get played for a fool but he will never admit it and just find a new excuse.
Same person he's always been working for... Vladimir Putin.
lol Fair enough - but what we're conceded is still very vague. Especially the with the drills with SK. Trump said war games...does that mean just the blatant decapitation drills, or all drills with SK? The latter should be completely unacceptable.
I'm sure North Korea wants it all stopped. Trump probably agreed to stop it all but the reality is Trump will return to Washington with half of DC telling Trump that its not happening. Was reported that such a concession was not even discussed with Washington. Just one of those spur of the Moment sure things from Trump. Since there was no official note keeping of the event we will never really know anything of what was said. Trump just assures us it doesn't matter since he has an excellent memory
I have been disgusted by the left-wing response to this. Opposing our best shot at peace, denuclearization and perhaps reunification because its being conducted by Trump. Who the fuck cares if US makes some concessions? Ever heard of what diplomacy is, you give and you get - that's what happened with Iran and that worked out fine. To see those who are ostensibly pro-peace whip themselves into a frenzy because MSNBC told them so is so disappointing. So, so disappointing. I hope Trump and Kim succeed and we have peace.
Stop lying to yourself.
And show some receipts for your hot-take. Who is opposing? How would "the left" even manage that with no institutional power over Trump, and certainly none over Un?
Stop sniffing your own farts long enough to explain what we expected from a hastily put together photo-op
"Cool generalizing" ok?
I'm sure you agree the Iran deal was a good thing - and most importantly Iran stayed within the terms of the agreement, it was the US who broke it. That's an indication we can broker a sustainable deal.
I also fail to understand the video posted, so right-wingers are terrible and hypocritical we all agree on that. Yet sometimes they can accidentally do good and we should support those actions, especially when the opportunity is so fleeting. You seem to imply we should oppose simply out of spite, which seems a little silly considering the stakes.
It's the most scary part of the event. Trump made some concessions he didn't fully understand or will forget about. Trump can't explain to his staff what happened during the meeting.
Now the White House doesn't know how to handle this.
On the other hand, Kim can make up everything he wants, nobody will be able to know if he's telling the truth or not. The vagueness of the agreement signed makes things worse.
This will impact discussions with South Korean and China. Trump will say one thing, and Kim will say another thing. Normally nobody would trust Kim he's so unreliable, but we can say the same about Trump....
You can't act like that, this is not a game. What a moron!
Ahahahahaha. Yes. America unilaterally breaking treaties thanks to its manchild president is certainly a sign that that we can broker a sustainable deal
You think Trump is as likely to renege on his own crowning foreign policy achievement as he would be on a piece of legislation crafted by Obama?
Secondly, this isn't some deal Trump is writing on a napkin, it involves the entire NatSec community and while I think they are bad people it is likely any agreement they create will work and be enforced
Trump tearing up a deal because it happened on Obama's watch is an indication we can broker a sustainable deal? What? That's an example of how we can't sustain a deal and why no other country should trust us right now.
Ya, it was a good deal, and Trump shit all over it nonetheless. But I guess he's the right man for the job on this one.
You're right... absolutely nothing was written down, so we should be even more worried.
Another snarky comment ignoring what I'm actually saying. Just disappointing. This conference may never happen again and we should not waste it. That's all I'm going say.
If I was ignoring what you were saying I wouldn't have replied. The fact that you think Donald Trump is going to bring peace to Korea is based on what past behavior? He is a petty con man, and has zero capabilities to undertake something this complex.
What? The U.S. entering into agreements that they back out of is an indication that they can enter into agreements that they won't back out of? I need some of whatever you're smoking because that is way too heady for me.
That video is really interesting.
Al Jazeera:Kim Jong-un came out victorious from the summit
The Singapore summit has not done more than legitimise the North Korean regime.
Why the fuck is anyone holding out hope that a doddering asshole who needs about 60-million translators giving 60-million versions of 'what he really meant is...', has the ability to lead people?
Real presidents know what the fuck they're talking about. Game-show hosts with cult followings mumble some shit on Twitter and then call their life-coach Sean Hannity.
Stop pretending a hastily planned play-date between two morbidly obese villains was going to break a multi-generational civil conflict between trading tips on torture and comparing hand sizes
Real presidents know what the fuck they're talking about. Game-show hosts with cult followings mumble some shit on Twitter and then call their life-coach Sean Hannity.
Stop pretending a hastily planned play-date between two morbidly obese villains was going to break a multi-generational civil conflict between trading tips on torture and comparing hand sizes
Trust in Trump. And trust in the IC community who I think are bad people.
This is amusing.
Btw... we should not waste it? Who is we? You joke? And who else?
This is amusing.
Btw... we should not waste it? Who is we? You joke? And who else?
Yeesh, Hannity pretty much mopped the competition. Second is MSNBC with less than half of his total for the summit coverage.
http://thehill.com/homenews/media/3...how-on-cable-with-north-korea-summit-coverage
http://thehill.com/homenews/media/3...how-on-cable-with-north-korea-summit-coverage
And we shouldn't have fucking wasted the opportunity that we did have with this shitshow of a session.
I agree with all of your posts so far 100%, but liberals dont want any win for Trump. And they love to pretend to be tough guys on foreign policy.
Broken clock, twice a day, etc. For whatever reason, our brain addled president has bumbled his way into a major win for world peace and the people of the Korean peninsula. Natsec idiots and rightwing psychopaths in SK & Japan are hyperventilating, which can only be a good thing.
Am I supposed to cry that we cant conduct stupid military exercises in the Yellow Sea or something? lmao
It says a lot about the merits of your position that you have to resort to hyperbole like this. They haven't even signed the mostly symbolic end to the Korean conflict yet and you're acting like it's the ending scene of Independence Day.
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Nobody is against peace with North Korea. This is being handled spectacularly sloppy and could back fire as easily as all the other diplomacy efforts have.
This is the thing... people are calling cancelling the war games a 'concession.' Like, America practicing bombing the shit of a country is just normal status quo baseline stuff, and if you want it to end then you're asking for some kind of a favour from the Americans. Incredibly fucked up imperialist worldview imo.
