....There is a Holocaust in the Wolfenstein Universe. Remember the Concentration Camp Level in The New Order?
Fair point. But this is clearly alternative history here.
....There is a Holocaust in the Wolfenstein Universe. Remember the Concentration Camp Level in The New Order?
Sorry, but I think the OP does not communicate what you think it does. I guess the shortest compilation of the discussed issue is this 15 minutes long interview with Christian Schiffer, given you understand German.You really dropped the ball with this one, OP.
And to everyone still thinking that Germany "hides its history" — Jesus Christ people. If you really need a video game forum to clarify things like this to you... Pick up a book, open a news paper, watch BBC, have a look at the world you live in.
There is a difference between genuinely asking about german history/laws and outright acting outraged or even making incorrect accusations even AFTER the "educate them" part has already happened on page 1 and every page after that, 7 pages into the thread.
People are allowed to not know stuff and still engage in a conversation. But maybe one should be more careful about what they say if they have no idea yet.
Repeating misconceptions that have been refuted all over the thread is not discussion and should rightfully be moderated. I'm not in this thread to tell people over and over again how Germany thinks about Nazis.Do I think it's pitiful? YES! Do I think it should be moderated: NO!
Guess it depends on what we, the customers, actually want.
my personal (german) opinion about this matter:
having no swastikas is perfectly fine for me and and they should remain censored in games.
renaming Hitler to Heiler .. no real opinion. Maybe that's fine? Maybe that's already a bit too much? Dunno.
removing the beard or replacing all context of jews is too much self-censorship and Bethesda shouldn't do it.
Whew, I was about to edit my OP one last time, putting all the old content into a spoiler tag and just present my original idea for the thread, discussion video games as art and if Wolfenstein still has the same value as antifacist game if the Jews etc. were removed. Also, those articles did a much better job explaining the situation, I am so sorry. Maybe I will edit the OP anyways and put them more visible to the top. Thank you for the title change, I was also about to request one.
Great article on the whole thing.New Spiegel Online article out: http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/game...-es-muss-sich-nur-einer-trauen-a-1177427.html
Google translation: https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/games/wolfenstein-ii-und-das-nazi-thema-es-muss-sich-nur-einer-trauen-a-1177427.html
Is this true? Doesn't this fuck up a lot regarding Set Roth, Da'at Yichud and the ancient technology plotpoint being that it's Jewish? It sounds incredibly disturbing that you could suddenly attribute that important item Set Roth obsesses over, and everything else from Da'at Yichud, to being German in origin.The Jews in the German version are no longer Jews, but are simply called "traitors", Yiddish also becomes High German.
I know you are just trolling, but anyway, just to let you know.
- It's part of growing up in Germany to learn about Hitler and the Nazis
- In school, you'll learn more about it than probably in any other country of the world.
In school we did an excursion to a concentration camp nearby Berlin, and on top of that, a survivor of the Holocaust (in a concentration camp) was with us. Telling us about it. Oh yes, we really fucking try to ignore our past.
Now I'm angry, damnit.
Thanks for stopping by again and writing this! I'm completely with you on the game, I don't understand either why they are doing it.Yes I apologies to you and all the others that reacted to my fly by night comment. I should have thought out my comment better, I 'm fully aware that what I said is nonsense and should have limited my displeasure to the the game only.