I tried it with helldivers 2 and using the frame gen and it looked like motion blur almost? It looked really bad, is that how it's supposed to look? Was my first time. Had the frame target at 30 through RTSS
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I tried it with helldivers 2 and using the frame gen and it looked like motion blur almost? It looked really bad, is that how it's supposed to look? Was my first time. Had the frame target at 30 through RTSS
You can use this with online games? I would have figured this would have thrown up a flag somewhere.
It's just a screen overlay, it doesn't touch the game's process at all.
Hopefully the dev gets some more people on board to somehow get it to work. Doing anything like this has got to afford a very high skill level to figure out. The dev obviously knows their stuff and whatnot...
We'll just have to be patient and wait to see what's to come this year.
Valve? I imagine it's in the pipeline.
Hopefully.
Sure would be keen if Valve were making that. Oooh, and I don't know if it would work for Valve or anyone, in anyway, a sort of new cloud streaming service thing that isn't reliant of your PC.
The way this works is basically by capturing your game the same way OBS does, so it should in theory be usable on just about everything without issues (unless the devs go out of their way to ban this specifically )
I haven't tried this app. But I see that AMD has driver-level support for frame-genning DX11/DX12 games. Anybody know if one is better than the other?
Lance Mcdonald made a homebrew patch for Bloodborne that gets the game to run at (close to?) 60fps on PS4 Pros.
Lance Mcdonald made a homebrew patch for Bloodborne that gets the game to run at (close to?) 60fps on PS4 Pros.
Man that'd be the dream. Built-in frame generation in Steam that works on PC and Steam Deck.
This works in really any application you want, including capturing gameplay from consoles, or doubling the framerate on a youtube video. No need for it to be ran locally. For example ive used this a few times with Xcloud and Geforce Now
Interesting that's cool, thanks!
I had my target set at 40 with RTSS, that might have made the difference. Give the beta branch a try as that should help with the 30 cap.
I do not think this is viable for 30 -> 60 for most games. Heck even 40 -> 80 is pushing it. Anything with fast motion or fast mouse look in my experience has looked like trash. The examples mentioned itt like Okami and FFX are still basically unplayably visually distracting as soon as there's any remotely fast camera movement, it's just that before they were far worse. There are certainly 30 fps games with slow movement and more constrained camera motion that could benefit from this but yeah.
What it is kinda magical for is the free 60 -> 120 with very minimal artifacting in a lot of cases, especially if you're on a controller to constrain camera speed. Plenty of console ports have 60 fps caps so you can double that very cheaply.
I've found this best for 60fps side scrolling games that don't move too quickly. It was amazing on Record of Lodoss War: Deedlit in Wonder Labyrinth for instance, as well as several fighting games.
Even in those cases though, you can still get artifacting fairly easily. Usually around the player character with lots of occlusion, or on fast moving detailed backgrounds.
Even in those cases though, you can still get artifacting fairly easily. Usually around the player character with lots of occlusion, or on fast moving detailed backgrounds.
Tried this for the first time in Genshin Impact about 3ish weeks ago. It did make it look smoother going from 60 to 120 but the artifacting was incredibly bad and distracting especially around the character.
Tried it again yesterday after upgrading from a 1440p to 4k display and the artifacts are waaaay less noticeable. I'm still not sure if I would use it but it actually seems viable now.
Does the tech improve with higher res displays or was there some recent update that improved things?
Tried it again yesterday after upgrading from a 1440p to 4k display and the artifacts are waaaay less noticeable. I'm still not sure if I would use it but it actually seems viable now.
Does the tech improve with higher res displays or was there some recent update that improved things?
Yep! You can inject the frame interpolation into ANY source. Youtube videos, an OBS capture, whatever. Someone posted a gif of them playing Bloodborne with the 60fps mod captured through OBS, interpolated with LSFG. It was somewhere in this thread. The gif runs at half speed, so you doubled it to see what they were seeing. 120fps bloodborne!
2.7.2 is now out of beta!
Pretty much, yeah. In general, upscalers work best when they have a solid foundation. I generally upscale from 1440p windowed to 4K with LS1, and most games look almost indistinguishable from native 4K. (I imagine the effect would be lessened if going from, say, 1080p to 1440p.)
Guys...when using this in emulators, namely Duckstation, is it better to set the emulator renderer to D3D11, D3D12, OpenGL, or Vulkan?
Oh I meant frame generation. How well does the actual scaling work? LS1 is the devs own scaling algorithm, right? If only there was a digital foundry comparison lol
Yeah, LS1 is the dev's work. It's a really excellent algo too, producing a very sharp image that's often very difficult to tell apart from native. It's everything that AMD's FSR 1.0 should have been.
Blows my mind that LS1 is 1) not the default option, instead buried way down in the upscaler list, and 2) that it's basically the work of one person in Ukraine, who had to flee their home at least once during the war.
Yep, this really is a joy with the Ally (and a perfect example of why I went with the Ally over the Steam Deck)
Does this dev team have a discord, Twitter or Telegram channel? I'd like to interact with them and ask some questions.
Unfortunately not. LS uses several libraries from Windows 10+ in order to do what it does.
Too bad. I nuked Windows from the deck because it's too damn janky and makes the multiboot go haywire
2.0 is out
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Seemingly a big improvement (at the cost of a bit higher gpu load) . Ive only tried it with FFX HD so far but im very impressed. Artifacting has been reduced to a almost imperceptible minimum and the issues there were before with the edges of the screen were completely fixed.
Lossless Scaling - Steam News Hub
Updates, events, and news from the developers of Lossless Scaling.
Seemingly a big improvement (at the cost of a bit higher gpu load) . Ive only tried it with FFX HD so far but im very impressed. Artifacting has been reduced to a almost imperceptible minimum and the issues there were before with the edges of the screen were completely fixed.
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Whoa, you weren't kidding, this is crazy. FFX looks basically native 60 now. And Okami is incredible with this on.
This is a huge improvement, especially for 30 fps content. I'd actually use this for games forever locked at 30 fps, which wasn't even close to true for the original release. Didn't expect this to be possible really.
GPU isn't as important as being able to hit a consistent frame rate target to start from. This won't work well if you can only play the game you're interested in using the software with at, say, 20 fps. It'll double to 40 fps but with artifacts and latency. You still want to be able to hit at least 30 fps minimum but ideally higher.
I will give it a shot thanks! I think I can manage to hit/cap 40 on my Surface Pro with most games I play on there.
Wonder what this would do with no rest for the wicked even though I play it locked at 4k/80fps.2.0 is out
Lossless Scaling - Steam News Hub
Updates, events, and news from the developers of Lossless Scaling.
Should allow you to play at 160 or close if you have a display that reaches that. I do wonder how well this will handle the heavy rain effects 🤔
I've been keeping my eye on this program for a long time, but this newest update seems to be impressive. If I want to play something that already has DLSS and just want to use framegen is it an easy thing to load up?
It's easy to do, yeah. Set the scaling type to "Off" and it'll just do framegen.
Sounds pretty easy. Is this one of those things where it's most beneficial with controller because you'd feel latency or anything or is it just a game by game thing?
LSFG works great with mouse and keyboard games in my experience. It is still kind of a game-by-game thing (because a few games have really bad framepacing and there's only so much an injectable framegen solution can do for those), but overall it works really really well.
What scaling option are you using? Each one has a different level of overhead, some have performance modes, etc.
I previously made the mistake of using Anime 4K for upscaling some non-video solutions and that was a big mistake even on an RTX 3080.