I said so in my first post, I wanted to help town at the end there before I left (which I did, just not in the intended way) and didn't want to throw away a free vig shot, come on :P
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MafiEra Mafia |OT| The Day of the Blargonauts
- Thread starter The Bear
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If you are gonna do a cult, goal is survival.
So you focus on players that tend to survive. Skirting that line of scummy that mafia won't bother to kill, but town enuff to not bother lynching.
So you focus on players that tend to survive. Skirting that line of scummy that mafia won't bother to kill, but town enuff to not bother lynching.
why not just let town know of the shot and let us go from there.
Imagine if I hadn't used the shot, we'd still not know there's a cult. I wonder if I'd be out of the game.
I didn't want to rock the boat, things were looking good for my wincon, and taking out the 2 most contentious players seemed like a good enough parting gift.
if you say so. I honestly dont know how you guys have me as a town read.
Why not do it earlier? Town had no time to react.
Went back and looked at the reactions to turmoil's claim. Rac tried to move a vote to Flux, kyan argues for Flux's lynch, and Sorian initially says to lynch Flux first but that becomes to lynch "one of them" without further instruction. Zubz (now Zeke) was not present to say anything. The one that stands out the most is kyan if we're hoping to find the cult leader that might be a good place to look.
..You literally talk about Brazil and him verifying his power in those posts. That's why I discussed your fail in KH. What are you even saying lol You've still not produced your lie about me attacking you over CeeCee and accusing you of things that weren't true.
Cult even if restricted to a max likely has close to a majority. I'm pretty sure we have to hit cult to not lose. Hell, even then we need scum to kill cult as well. We still might not even be able to win then. We might not even be able to make it past today if they're at five members.
Lone_Prodigy
D2
malus was an easy target for scum to attach themselves to, as it turns out, and he was primarily the only one Lone_Prodigy primarily suspected this game once others started doing so. Then, he started talking about suspecting Sawneeks when others did as well. Going after people who end up being town (or ex-town, I guess) when they become the focus of a potential lynch, but completely ignoring it if it's scum who ends up becoming that focus.
Fantomas, why do you think you're still alive? That first post of yours today was pre-typed, right? Guessing certain parts of it were modified based on what happened during the night phase? You're definitely not scum, so there's that, at least.
D2
- Did not vote on turmoil7. (Did not vote at all)
- Did not vote on faddy. (Did not vote at all)
- Voted on malus.
- Did not vote on Pirate Bae. (Did not vote at all)
- Was the third vote in a weirdly abrupt Sawneeks train. (#6160)
- Did not care much for who would get lynched between Sawneeks and malus, despite saying he'd be gunning for a malus lynch. (#6211)
- Throws suspicion on Zeke at 6056. (possibly on opposing teams, along with Zeke's own suspicion of him).
malus was an easy target for scum to attach themselves to, as it turns out, and he was primarily the only one Lone_Prodigy primarily suspected this game once others started doing so. Then, he started talking about suspecting Sawneeks when others did as well. Going after people who end up being town (or ex-town, I guess) when they become the focus of a potential lynch, but completely ignoring it if it's scum who ends up becoming that focus.
Fantomas, why do you think you're still alive? That first post of yours today was pre-typed, right? Guessing certain parts of it were modified based on what happened during the night phase? You're definitely not scum, so there's that, at least.
I was all set to give you PPM. Then I saw the cult and decided you were cult too and it had something to do with the modifier. Now I kind of am back to believing you but like Sorian said if you leave the game we probably instantly lose now so..uh...thanks very much for the help, please enjoy your remaining time until we lose the game for us and you lol
Yea im talking about brazil verifying his power in response to you saying a grp was working against him.
Yea I knew you brought up KH to shitsling, which is why I said it was stupid for you to bring it up.
It was pre-typed only because I asked Grizzly to tell me as soon as he could whether or not I died, so yeah, I knew I was going to be alive shortly before the day started and typed that up.
I don't know why I am alive. I think the point Sorian made earlier made sense because I could be considered a Cult suspect due to the Saw flip.
It's either that, or the Scum team has me deeeeeeeeeeep in their pockets by now and know I won't advocate for one of their lynches.
I have multiple read lists in each phase, you'll need to be more specific than that.
I didn't want town to have time to react. Who could tell they'd suddenly decide I was the right lynch target. I was pretty sure there was scum between Sneeks and Malus.
Let's not go down this road again. We disagree. I tagged you in a post after I actually investigated it and decided it was unfounded. Sorry I'm an asshole.
I'd love to make that happen for ya, buddy, but Cap just had surgery, so I wouldn't hold your breath.
I'm
I'm sure he can lend you his password. Just don't tell the mods.
Ugh... Hey, Natiko, can I have a quick reads list from you? Hard to tell what's even happening now. I figure you're not part of the cult because of how you chased after Sawneeks, but that still leaves town/scum.
Mine, I guess, are:
Town (Or Former)
Mine, I guess, are:
Town (Or Former)
- Dr. Monkey (trust meant I also believed she wouldn't be part of the cult but, now that I think about it, she totally can be, especially if she was recruited last night or something)
- Fantomas
- CeeCee (again, reluctantly simply because of counter to the bomb. wouldn't be surprised at all if he's cult)
- Fireblend
- Sorian
- Blargonaut
- Kyanrute
- Natiko
- EzekelRAGE
- rac
- Lone_Prodigy
Also, are we supposed to be focusing on lynching cult members or scum right now? I'm not sure that cult wins by gaining a majority here, but assuming the worst case scenario, should we actually be gunning to lynch them? There might actually only be 1 scum member left now, with a cult being in play.
Here. Sorian/Mal say dayvig = counter to Bomb, thus confirming CC as town. Sorian brings up that in a previous game an override couldve been used ot defeuse a bomb. Malus says there HAS to be a counter to the bomb. I tell malus that override being the counter is just as likely as day vig being the counter. I didn't believe it, but figured it would be enuff for malus.
I never said there was a defuser in this game, So bringing up Grizzly never wanting to have the role in a game again doesnt matter.
2nd part is you just shitslinging. Me and fanto were jokingly referring to the game.
I never cared about override being right or not for the bomb.
I clarify what im saying, because it's obvious to me you think im pushing override.
I didnt use the override as justification.
Me trying to clarify again.
why the hell would we lunch fire eventually?
the only reason he's still in the game because town didn't vote pizza
we needed to get that question mark it
I didn't say we'll lynch Fireblend eventually. I said we'd lynch Sorian eventually.
Nvm, what I was thinking didnt make sense.
I was thinking that you had a number of cult members in your reads list and that is the reason you were still alive.
Then I remembered cult cant kill.
Sure, haven't reread everything I want to get but right now I'd say:
Town:
Fantomas
CeeCee
FluxWaveZ
Neutral?:
Fireblend (true neutral)
Sorian (cult aligned now)
Cult:
EzekelRAGE
kyanrute
rac
Blargonaut
Dr. Monkey?
Scum:
Lone_Prodigy
Dr. Monkey?
It's possible Dr. Monkey is cult or scum, but if she's cult she was converted last night after lynching Saw (she did claim vanilla).
Town:
Fantomas
CeeCee
FluxWaveZ
Neutral?:
Fireblend (true neutral)
Sorian (cult aligned now)
Cult:
EzekelRAGE
kyanrute
rac
Blargonaut
Dr. Monkey?
Scum:
Lone_Prodigy
Dr. Monkey?
It's possible Dr. Monkey is cult or scum, but if she's cult she was converted last night after lynching Saw (she did claim vanilla).
I honestly have no idea, I've never been in a Cult situation. I think LP is Scum which is why I voted for him. If I were going to vote for a cult member, it would be Zeke/Rac/Kyan like Natiko was saying earlier. They look the most suspect to me with the days long thirst for Malus's blood.
That was a reply to Sorian. It was after I said that Fireblend isn't going to win because Pineapple Pizza won't be chosen. So he won't win either, as the other neutral, since he won't survive. I don't know how you interpreted it differently, but that's why I'm clarifying.
lol
I didnt vote pizza because we just lost 2 ppl in one day phase. If FB was telling the truth, they leave and increases scum chances of winning.
Maybe we should look at the ppl that did vote for FB to leave?
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I think FB claim of neutral is true.
FB didnt have to claim the shot on Mal. Doesnt make sense from a scum pov. Couldve just let cc take the fall.
FB wouldnt have put a fellow cult member in jeopardy like that by letting them get lynched.
Dude the very first post of mine you quote I was responding to this:
I was pointing out that this game would likely not have a direct counter to he bomb like KH, so it would come in a different form. You clearly push that you think CeeCee is NOT a counter to the bomb (as you believe he is scum), which means to me at that point you think Override is counter (you also jumped on Sorian for not sharing said information about a past game sooner). It's only after you try and pivot at the end to say you think there's no counter that I realize what you're arguing and drop it because frankly you're just wrong.
Okay. I'm fully here now. I still want to read back a little for more depth, but a few things:
I have not been converted to cult. I expect it's people least likely to be NKed or lynched at all before game end, so very middle-ground people: Kyan, Blarg, possibly rac - there's been some discussion around him, but he has had some loud and staunch defenders, I guess.
Re: Brazil dying over Fanto: I wonder if there was speculation Brazil was lying and was cult. He took himself off the Sawneeks vote, after all.
What I do not believe is Sorian's claim. Sorian, you've been the first one willing to talk about game balance and design this game and you really think that there are two neutrals and a whole-ass neutral cult converting people to more neutrals?
I also think at this point it's very possible and maybe even likely there's more cult than scum because they managed to go a long time without getting busted so unless recruit has been very unlucky, we could be right at end game.
I have not been converted to cult. I expect it's people least likely to be NKed or lynched at all before game end, so very middle-ground people: Kyan, Blarg, possibly rac - there's been some discussion around him, but he has had some loud and staunch defenders, I guess.
Re: Brazil dying over Fanto: I wonder if there was speculation Brazil was lying and was cult. He took himself off the Sawneeks vote, after all.
What I do not believe is Sorian's claim. Sorian, you've been the first one willing to talk about game balance and design this game and you really think that there are two neutrals and a whole-ass neutral cult converting people to more neutrals?
I also think at this point it's very possible and maybe even likely there's more cult than scum because they managed to go a long time without getting busted so unless recruit has been very unlucky, we could be right at end game.
We have to lynch cult:
5 cult - 4 town - 1 scum - 2 neutral
Lynch scum, no NK, neutral leaves due to cult stacking
5 cult - 4 town - 1 cult aligned neutral
We lose
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5 cult - 4 town - 1 scum - 2 neutral
Lynch cult, NK cult, neutral leaves
3 cult - 4 town - 1 scum - 1 neutral
Suddenly it's not as clear cut for Sorian and we at least have a chance.
Both of those scenarios assume cult can't get more members past the six total. If they can we cannot win straight up.
Cult would have loved for Fire to leave
5 cult - 4 town - 1 scum - 1 neutral
Sorian votes with the cult and we lose
There was nothing to pivot from.
Those posts are before the one where you said I tried to "pivot"
Tagged malus in the above post because HE was the one that believed there had to be a direct counter.
And I'm telling you that 100% the vig shot was meant to counter the bomb. Arguing scum was handed a role with absolutely no counter is dumb. You're just trying to derail the issue at hand which is cultists. Because you're a cultist.
then they would have just done it
unless you think im the only cult to vote there
So we lynch cult or potentially lose. Fine, that works.
Seconding this, actually. I went back throughout the thread and the only mention of a cult was Fran's speculation regarding the game modifiers and Cthulhu, and then Sawneeks' flip. Are you saying that scum identified there was a cult in play?
I don't want to respond for Monkey here, but the way I read that, she's wondering if Scum maybe shot at Brazil instead of me, following the Saw flip, because they thought he could have been lying about his role and was actually recruited.
I would even add to that and say it would also make sense why he wanted to be killed so desperately on D4 to give Town "more answers" or whatever.
Except they couldn't risk it? Even if cult stacks and gets both neutrals, if scum hit a cult member with the NK then:
4 cult - 5 town - 1 scum - 1 neutral
They're actually in a weaker position than today (outvoted by 1 even with the neutral).
HOWEVER, knowing there would be three deaths, it is entirely possible this was done for town cred just in case. 2-1 if cult already had a fair number of recruits is not a bad trade.
There was so little time left that if you aren't counter claimed, I might give this credence. There was no way Sneeks wasn't dying after that.
Okay. Grizzly, can you tell us about this?
I don't know if it's that easy. I doubt they'd purposely sacrifice a member but it looked very like malus was going to be lynched.
I think the emphasis is just Fantomas but until or unless we know their recruitment condition, that's a possibility. Sneeks' whole role PM being wiped out feels important here.
I can think of a reason - you felt you had the game in the bag. malus as next lynch, probably Brazil after that, recruiting all the while. You were, I think, the first to press AB for his targets so if the cult does recruit vanillas, there's that to consider.
We don't know if this is true but if we find out any information then we can also figure out how many possible recruit targets there have been and we can get an idea of numbers. Several ordinaries have died.
Blarg kept flipping his vote around. He did end on Sneeks, and it was close - Kyan and I voted after.
I do think Kyanrute is a prime candidate for cult.
I think Sorian is the leader.
I'm lynching in suspected cult today because I do not want to lose in what had felt like the middle of the goddamned game until yesterday. We were on a roll with scum and now I'm just mad.
more catchup coming
I mean the remaining scum will also want to kill cult and since there was speculation about his claim, they may have thought he was cult. I very much doubt scum outnumbers cult here.
Oh, I see the alternate reading now. Basically, speculation during the previous night phase in their own chat that Brazil could be scum.
Actually, this makes me realize that we're on the same side with scum now. Temporary truce or we both lose!
Yes. Though I didn't even consider that last part. I think if he'd been converted and pulled that, though, it would technically be against the rules. So I doubt that was it. But yeah, I answered too.