Wow thats absolutely mental.
Wow thats absolutely mental.
Could be up to two months in prison
Beautiful. Uk gets it. Meanwhile, in the US court system let's bail bonds person go free for killing a man, by shooting him in the back, caught on tape.
Now that's what I call a waste of taxpayer money, very impressive UK.
Considering Germany has an actual Nazi (AfP) party with 11% of the seats in their parliament, and the entire Brexit thing with the UK with massive underlying tension, I'm gonna go ahead and say, yeah, it works out a fuckton better for us than "lalalala if we don't talk about it, it will go away" has been going for Europe.
I guess that would depend on how you view the prison service/overcrowding and other historical issues with countries using prisons as a quick way to just deal with everything.
Ricky Gervais aka dude that takes the piss out of trans people
You guys, America most definitely has limits to hate speech. I can guarantee you if I were to become a practicing Muslim again, and take all the speech and content from alt/far-right "content creators" and simply substitute the many calls for ethnic cleansing of black and other PoC with white people, and that ISIS isn't so bad. I would be swooped up pretty quickly.
Prisons aren't being overcrowded with Nazis convicted for hate speech.
Not even worth making jokes anymore, might go to jail. Inb4 someone gets 12 months for telling an extremely offensive blonde joke.
Regardless of the position on free speech it guts me that we now have a young generation that views Nazism as "just a joke". That's beyond disturbing.
How on earth are you determining that?How come these speech laws don't actually do anything to combat bigotry and xenophobia in Europe? It's almost like they aren't an effective means of mitigation.
You guys, America most definitely has limits to hate speech. I can guarantee you if I were to become a practicing Muslim again, and take all the speech and content from alt/far-right "content creators" and simply substitute the many calls for ethnic cleansing of black and other PoC with white people, and that ISIS isn't so bad. I would be swooped up pretty quickly.
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Trump and the GOP aren't even in the same stratosphere as these groups, and trying to equate the two just softens the bigotry and xenophobia / holocaust denialism of AfD.
I think you need to rethink what you think hate speech is.This is bullshit and should have been laughed out of court. This sets up such a bad precedent legally, not just for the UK, but any commonwealth country. Disgusting. Now people will be going to jail for jokes. What has this world come to...
isn't it a problem if the only way you can think of making people laugh is to offend someone?
I mean who are you comparing them to? What country region etc do you consider to have a normal amount of bigots.If they are actually lessening anything there is some kind of huge problem that generates far more bigots for some reason.
No he did a stand up taking the piss out of dead naming. Making fun of trans people that get offendedDidn't he take the piss out of one trans person? And that trans person was guilty of killing someone through negligent driving, which the joke was about?
How is this not hate speech? He singles out an ethnic group of a past event that was/should be horrific to imagine for anyone alive today.
Wether he believes it or not, it's out in the public which will help other form disturbing views about it.
Some things should NOT be joked about, and this is ONE of the things.
Like I said earlier in the thread, he linked to his friends on twitter when they were trying to get people they thought might be illegal reported to ICE, so he has no problem trying to hurt others.I think the bigger problem is people getting offended over... Well... nothing? He didn't target anyone. If he said "X Person is a jew and we should gas them" then yeah, I'd understand, but to make a stupid statement isn't going to kill anyone.
No he did a stand up taking the piss out of dead naming. Making fun of trans people that get offended
I think the bigger problem is people getting offended over... Well... nothing? He didn't target anyone. If he said "X Person is a jew and we should gas them" then yeah, I'd understand, but to make a stupid statement isn't going to kill anyone.
Still applies to this day. Using the 1940's anti-Semitic playbook is basically taking the literal nazi approach.Jean-Paul Sartre in 1946 said:Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.
I'll have to do some more research on this later.
For now, I'm a little bit conflicted. The video has all the characteristics of an out-and-out joke - one that isn't reliant on disparaging a vulnerable group, or some sort of racial animus, in order to amuse. If anything, the comedic juxtaposition of the horrors of Nazi Germany and an incredibly cute dog partially relies on the sentiment that the former are indeed horrible.
I'm curious how the UK defines hate speech, because I'm straining to interpret the above as such. Although I'm not sure the term 'hate speech' is even being used here?
127Improper use of public electronic communications network
(1)A person is guilty of an offence if he—
(a)sends by means of a public electronic communications network a message or other matter that is grossly offensive or of an indecent, obscene or menacing character; or
(b)causes any such message or matter to be so sent.
(2)A person is guilty of an offence if, for the purpose of causing annoyance, inconvenience or needless anxiety to another, he—
(a)sends by means of a public electronic communications network, a message that he knows to be false,
(b)causes such a message to be sent; or
(c)persistently makes use of a public electronic communications network.
(3)A person guilty of an offence under this section shall be liable, on summary conviction, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding six months or to a fine not exceeding level 5 on the standard scale, or to both.
(4)Subsections (1) and (2) do not apply to anything done in the course of providing a programme service (within the meaning of the Broadcasting Act 1990 (c. 42)).
(a)sends by means of a public electronic communications network a message or other matter that is grossly offensive or of an indecent, obscene or menacing character; or
"Pretending to be racist to own the libs" sure is an interesting approach.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...an-charged-over-alleged-killallwhitemen-tweet
Does no one remember Bahar Mustafa? She luckily had her charges dropped but remember to keep this in mind when it works against you... Did this racist guy really commit a hate crime with his video? We speak of overburdened prison populations and you want this guy arrested,charged and sentenced? Draconian government laws should always be challenged.
Granted he is a bad person, his views abhorrent, but he uploaded a video where he was taunting his gf and trained his pug to raise his paws saying Nazi stuff about jews.
But hey, if the people in the UK want this, that is their choice. You reap what you sow. Just remember when you give your government the power to regulate some speech, it can be all speech and it would just take the election of a certain group to outlaw something else you may stand for.
How in the world do you find blatant censorship, specially in regards to such a trivial thing, beautiful?