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Every side quest has it's own characters and story in Witcher 3. The defending of these terrible side quests in Spiderman is getting ridiculous
It's plainly obvious that the side content in this game is just as bad as some other open world games. Those other games don't let you play as fucking Spiderman and web sling like a boss everywhere you go. That in itself can legit carry the game because at its core the execution is just that good. That doesn't change the fact that side content is very average and by the numbers.
To a lesser extent it is like saying something like Destiny 1 has a really good campaign because you really like the gunplay and it's an excuse to shoot shit. Then again I suppose it's also like me saying I like TW3's side quests because the writing is 10/10 but everything else about it is average to bad. Same shit.
To a lesser extent it is like saying something like Destiny 1 has a really good campaign because you really like the gunplay and it's an excuse to shoot shit. Then again I suppose it's also like me saying I like TW3's side quests because the writing is 10/10 but everything else about it is average to bad. Same shit.
I agree totally, and I'm surprised more people aren't talking about it. This game could *really* use Spider-Man 2's charge X to jump higher mechanics. And a little bit more mobility for certain things that feel slightly more awkward than they should.
Fucking great campaign so far though, and close to 50 to 75 percent down the skill trees the combat has really hit it's stride.
About 12 hours in and I'm enjoying the game more and more. It did feel like it took a bit longer than it should to move from Fisk's goons to the demons, but maybe that was because I was focusing quite a lot on optional stuff.
Jury's still out whether the combat is overall better than Batman, but having dedicated gap-closer moves rather than automatically darting 5 meters to enemies is a massive improvement. You button mash in Batman, you look like a god. But if you button mash in Spider-man, you flail around like an idiot.
Jury's still out whether the combat is overall better than Batman, but having dedicated gap-closer moves rather than automatically darting 5 meters to enemies is a massive improvement. You button mash in Batman, you look like a god. But if you button mash in Spider-man, you flail around like an idiot.
These goddamn Drones... 43948/44000 for Ultimate.
I thought the
Side Quests were good, wish the others we more like them with other lesser known villains.
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This game is imo the most beautiful and densest open world game so far. Especially on Pro the game looks sublime. Closeup and far away. This is one of the very few open world console games where buildings or a tree several hundred meters away do not look like crap. Great LOD management.
What also doesn't get enough recognition is the great care and detail Insomniac put into presenting us nearly all of Manhattan's sights. You can pass hours just sightseeing in this game. Observe the Statue of Liberty from Battery Park, walk beneath Washington Square Arch, chill at Bethesda Fountain in Central Park and marvel at the beauty that is Saint Patrick's Cathedral. They're all there and so many more. :) This is Trinity Church nestled inbetween the skyscrapers of the Financial District:
What also doesn't get enough recognition is the great care and detail Insomniac put into presenting us nearly all of Manhattan's sights. You can pass hours just sightseeing in this game. Observe the Statue of Liberty from Battery Park, walk beneath Washington Square Arch, chill at Bethesda Fountain in Central Park and marvel at the beauty that is Saint Patrick's Cathedral. They're all there and so many more. :) This is Trinity Church nestled inbetween the skyscrapers of the Financial District:
I'm not defending it but i don't agree with the fact that all of TW 3 side content was amazing or new or groundbreaking. Another game with great side stuff is Yakuza. Both games handle it way better than Spider- Man , it's clear.
Low quality side content in Spidey is not a big deal for me because i'm in love with the traversal system and the combat. Swinging around NY is so much fun. I hope they will work on better side quest and dynamic events in the next game though.
Feel free to believe what you want to believe, but you're the one who started questioning others' opinions and stances in the first place, so don't act like I did something ridiculous here. I just turned it back on you. Heck, I didn't even do that, I just told you why other people don't feel that way or agree with our sentiment. And to finish off with a statement to further bolster my point as though it has any more bearing than it did before, if it was multiplat people would still defend it.
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oh yeah traversal is what carries the game , would be really bad if the swinging was mediocre lol. As for combat, idk I think its more responsive and a lot more fun to fight the guys here but w3 combat is a bit more involved with potions, bombs and how it contextualize stuff even tho the actual moment to moment fighting in vanilla w3 is barely passable
Ubisoft games are getting better - and much worse in other ways - but I already clarified why I have a bunch of problems with this game's side content in particular. Spider-Man's content are out of last gen Ubisoft's playbook, not even this gen. I'm also not saying Ubisoft is great in this respect either, to be clear, Origins had higher quality side content but also way too much of it on a bloated map. Plus even if you think Ubisoft's stuff is worse, how the fuck is Spider-Man's good? The argument I've seen seems to be "well I enjoy traversing around the city so the side content is bearable." Having weaker side content than Arkham City - something this game is extremely inspired by - isn't a good thing at all.
I wish the city itself was less sterile /clean and had more traffic and pedestrians , wish for more traffic jams tooThis game is imo the most beautiful and densest open world game so far. Especially on Pro the game looks sublime. Closeup and far away. This is one of the very few open world console games where buildings or a tree several hundred meters away do not look like crap. Great LOD management.
What also doesn't get enough recognition is the great care and detail Insomniac put into presenting us nearly all of Manhattan's sights. You can pass hours just sightseeing in this game. Observe the Statue of Liberty from Battery Park, walk beneath Washington Square Arch, chill at Bethesda Fountain in Central Park and marvel at the beauty that is Saint Patrick's Cathedral. They're all there and so many more. :) This is Trinity Church nestled inbetween the skyscrapers of the Financial District:
It can feel a bit too clean and therefore sterile, I agree with that, but I don't agree that traffic or pedestrians are lacking by this generation's standards. There are lots of people on the streets, in squares and parks, even more people than in AC Unity. Even in the second Digital Foundry look at the game they said they were positively surprised by the great number of pedestrians. It's even more than trailers promised. And people were even worried they were going to scale their number back before release.
I meant in a random street, square or park. AC Unity of course had special events with huge crowds.
Beat the game earlier. Enjoyed it a lot but I also have tons of complaints that I'll maybe talk about later.
One thing for sure though is that web swinging LOOKS nice but doesn't FEEL good. I felt like I was fighting the controls half the time. Web of Shadows has the better Web Swinging controls.
I think the devs said Spidey doesn't let go of the web unless you let go of R2 but that's a straight up lie. Once you reach a certain speed/height from a swing, it auto lets go and swings again.
One thing for sure though is that web swinging LOOKS nice but doesn't FEEL good. I felt like I was fighting the controls half the time. Web of Shadows has the better Web Swinging controls.
I think the devs said Spidey doesn't let go of the web unless you let go of R2 but that's a straight up lie. Once you reach a certain speed/height from a swing, it auto lets go and swings again.
I liked that aspect a lot as well. I just wish there was a bit more meat to them. Even if it was just in the form of making the area you find them in a bit more interesting to do some environmental story telling. I guess the bigger issue is that there's 5 or so side activities like this that are just going to a point the game tells you to and pressing a button.
Something bugged out when I did that one, I was running around as both Spider-Man and the Spider-Bug at the same time. I could see the 2 front legs of the Bug, but there were a pair of human feet in the middle of the camera running whenever I moved.
You don't need to hold down R2 to point launch. Hit L2 + R2 to zip to a point, and just hit X when you get there. If you time it perfect, you'll get a little extra boost (you'll know it if you got it), otherwise you'll just jump from the point. The bottom right hand corner will pop up with a context guide to tell you to press X. After a few, it'll become routine.
So you played God of War?
When Kratos would open a door to "load" into a building, it would be extremely fluid and stay within the game, masking the actual loading of the new area. It gave the illusion that there were no load screens and that everything within the world was seamless transitions.
Meanwhile, the second you press triangle in Spider-Man to enter a building, you're given a loading screen and then the random appearance of Peter Parker. When cut scenes end, you're almost never in the same position or area of the ending cut scene, you're generally thrown into a random spot. This absolutely breaks the immersion and creates an extremely jarring experience.
This game is extremely polished in so many different areas, but to overlook something like this is unforgivable. A story driven open world game should not have these awful transitions in 2018
a) I agree with almost everything you said except
b) it's definitely forgiveable.
I love that this is how it is. When I bought the upgrade, I was afraid that it would be an easy permanent boost. It's really great that the game requires you to be in tip-top shape and isn't just making everything easy for you, be it web-swinging or combat.
Now if only the stealth was difficult as well... Then again, it's not entirely inappropriate given that Spidey doesn't need to be stealthy the way Batman does.
Indeed, especially when you consider spider-man has a much grander outside environment rendered at any given time that can be quickly traversed as opposed to something like GoW which while not a linear game, is not exactly an open world/sandboxy environment that you can just zoom through. That game can prepare for you to press a button to open a door into an indoor environment, because it knows you're close by and can only go either into this room, or that other pathway in a certain amount of time. Spider-man on the other hand, needs to be prepared for you to just randomly decide on speeding past a story trigger/door all the way to the opposite end of the city. Completely different types of games here.
Awesome shot :)
This.This game is imo the most beautiful and densest open world game so far. Especially on Pro the game looks sublime. Closeup and far away. This is one of the very few open world console games where buildings or a tree several hundred meters away do not look like crap. Great LOD management.
What also doesn't get enough recognition is the great care and detail Insomniac put into presenting us nearly all of Manhattan's sights. You can pass hours just sightseeing in this game. Observe the Statue of Liberty from Battery Park, walk beneath Washington Square Arch, chill at Bethesda Fountain in Central Park and marvel at the beauty that is Saint Patrick's Cathedral. They're all there and so many more. :) This is Trinity Church nestled inbetween the skyscrapers of the Financial District:
I really wish we got scenes of Peter quickly changing in and out of costume.
As someone who's slammed this game quite hard, even I think this is excessive. It's not extremely jarring or unforgivable. Also that the game is open world makes it more forgivable.
The game can't have God of War style transitions - which slowed that game down a lot and I'd argue were sometimes a negative - when Peter has to change in and out of clothes each time he enters an interior. I really don't care for a slow clothes changing cutscene bogging down the game.
I wouldn't say it's unacceptable, but yes, the many cutscenes that slowly fades to black is somewhat weird after coming directly from getting my platinum in GoW.
AC Unity has *constant* massive crowds, in the regular open world. Spider-Man is not even close in npc density. But AC unity did take place during a revolution, so it makes sense.
Something about hearing Yuri Lowenthal (Spider-Man) shout "Yuri!" makes me giggle every time.
Just finished the main campaign. Not sure how I feel overall, probably ~7.5/10ish once I hunt down the last few crimes tomorrow. Overall, swinging and combat is great (though I think the combat could make good use of a style meter or something to encourage mixing up moves), and the story as a whole is alright (pretty standard Slott-inspired Spider-Man), while 90% of the side stuff is garbage (I enjoyed swinging through a thunderstorm, turning the screens back on in Times Square, etc - the more arcade-y challenges).
Bad characters and bad takes on good ones aplenty in the sidequests. Black Cat was super fun, but it's kinda dodgy giving her a presence at all when you need to buy the DLC to further it :/
Outside of the first MJ moment, which is alright, every subsequent 'control someone that isn't Spider-Man' moment really sucks, and I genuinely think would have worked better as a cutscene (or in most cases, straight up cut, because they add very little and are poorly implemented into the story (like... a couple are just flashbacks the character recounts, with the only important bit being the last fifteen seconds which they'll explain when you get back to the cutscene)).
My current superhero game rankings for this generation:
Gravity Rush 2
Arkham Knight
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InFamous: First Light
Spider-Man
Quantum Break
InFamous: Second Son
Haven't played Sunset Overdrive, but am not very interested in it anyway. Didn't include the two fighting games (Injustice 2 and MvCI), even though I played both.
Just finished the main campaign. Not sure how I feel overall, probably ~7.5/10ish once I hunt down the last few crimes tomorrow. Overall, swinging and combat is great (though I think the combat could make good use of a style meter or something to encourage mixing up moves), and the story as a whole is alright (pretty standard Slott-inspired Spider-Man), while 90% of the side stuff is garbage (I enjoyed swinging through a thunderstorm, turning the screens back on in Times Square, etc - the more arcade-y challenges).
Bad characters and bad takes on good ones aplenty in the sidequests. Black Cat was super fun, but it's kinda dodgy giving her a presence at all when you need to buy the DLC to further it :/
Outside of the first MJ moment, which is alright, every subsequent 'control someone that isn't Spider-Man' moment really sucks, and I genuinely think would have worked better as a cutscene (or in most cases, straight up cut, because they add very little and are poorly implemented into the story (like... a couple are just flashbacks the character recounts, with the only important bit being the last fifteen seconds which they'll explain when you get back to the cutscene)).
My current superhero game rankings for this generation:
Gravity Rush 2
Arkham Knight
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InFamous: First Light
Spider-Man
Quantum Break
InFamous: Second Son
Haven't played Sunset Overdrive, but am not very interested in it anyway. Didn't include the two fighting games (Injustice 2 and MvCI), even though I played both.
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Right? I spent several hours just doing some of that after the very first mission just to freaking swing around and get more comfortable with it since it felt great and was so cool!
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Each district shows me one "Locked" Side activity. What do I need to do to unlock this? I finished the story already.
Yep. Teleporting into buildings and I go "oh guess I'm Peter now" then when it's over you just teleport out the front door as Spider-Man. Immersion breaking is the perfect way to describe it. So many jarring game design decisions in this game and this one might be the most obvious
This.
They were never going to "God of War" this. It's a weird comparison since Barlog talked about the nightmares that came up from trying to do that game in the one-take style that they did, let alone an open-world Spider-Man when he can zip anywhere this quickly with these super detailed indoor environments.
New Yorkers, how accurate is NY here? I've never played a game or watched a movie that made me want to visit NY more than this game. The buildings and environment detail might be one of the best ever done in a video game, it's making me love New York's architecture
Preach it, brother.
Not saying this doesn't have flaws but it's funny how God of War got kind of excused for its flaws (optional realms, poor boss fights etc.) while Spider-Man get shit on for the side content (most of which I don't even think is overly bad).
