Marvel called out for antisemitic imagery in ‘Immortal Hulk’ comic
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Honestly I don't think anyone would have bat an eyelid at just a Jewish jeweler.
Fuck this though. Everyone who missed or "missed" this in creation or editing should be out on their ass.
Yeah I was just trying to be clear that I wasn't just shrugging off casual anti-Semitism in case it really is a hurtful stereotype.
Daily Dot should put Joe Bennett's name in the fucking headline. Marvel and DC keep hiring him (and should be called out) but he's already made shitty comments in the past- he sucks, there's no excuse for this.
There was no mistake made here. He knew what he was doing.
What the fuck.
This alone should get him blacklisted from both Marvel and DC.
Marvel likely had it pulled to post a corrected version. I believe they did the same thing when X-Men Gold had that anti-semetic thing.
Imagine being a professional fucking artist, and trying the excuse "I can't draw letters backwards", fuck outta here with that shit lol.
He thinks he's being sly.
He might have somehow gotten away with it without the star of david but moron had to have the total package.
God Imagine doing this knowing there's an MCU She Hulk show on the horizon.Daily Dot should put Joe Bennett's name in the fucking headline. Marvel and DC keep hiring him (and should be called out) but he's already made shitty comments in the past- he sucks, there's no excuse for this.
There was no mistake made here. He knew what he was doing.
Holy shit, I saw the panel in the comics thread but I didn't know that was from Immortal Hulk, what the fuck
I highlight this part every single time Marvel fucks up. CB is a fuck and Marvel covered for him for years. Straight up lied to the press and even said they knew the Japanese writer that didn't exist.
I wonder what they will do here what with the book ending in a few months. He's probably close to finished with at least the next couple issues, and there's only 7 left. But when this happened with Syaf he was replaced with the quickness
Syaf was more blatant and X-Men Gold was a pretty mediocre book, vs. Immortal Hulk which is one of the most critically acclaimed cape comics of all time, I'm not sure they will take action here.
Syaf was more blatant and X-Men Gold was a pretty mediocre book, vs. Immortal Hulk which is one of the most critically acclaimed cape comics of all time, I'm not sure they will take action here.
I don't think it has any intent beyond being an expression of hatred.
The Diamond District in Manhattan is just a couple blocks from Marvel's offices and many of the owners of those stores are Orthodox Jews. I've never seen a Star of David on any of the windows like that, though.
Well, shit, I clearly didn't pay enough attention when I read the issue.
Marvel needs to stop working with this dude.
Marvel needs to stop working with this dude.
Al Ewing is a lovely bloke (has been since his early, hand-drawn minicomics about disco dancing Rogue Trooper) and a talented writer, and it's a shame he's got a prick who thinks crap like this is worth doing paired with him on Hulk.
The one above on the She Hulk pic? I'd be genuinely surprised if he was OK with that - Al was a regular on a load of small British comic forums and from his interactions with fellow fans, the UK small press, other creators on 2000AD etc. I never got the vibe that he was OK with that kind of cheap, shitty "humour".
I'd be disappointed if he had nothing to say about the artist on his big series making shitty "jokes" like that though.
The one above on the She Hulk pic? I'd be genuinely surprised if he was OK with that - Al was a regular on a load of small British comic forums and from his interactions with fellow fans, the UK small press, other creators on 2000AD etc. I never got the vibe that he was OK with that kind of cheap, shitty "humour".
I'd be disappointed if he had nothing to say about the artist on his big series making shitty "jokes" like that though.
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Yeah, my first reaction was to question whether Marvel was giving the white dude a pass, compared to Syaf, but it's possible that they have his contributions for the rest of the run in the can and will just disappear him quietly.
This genuinely bothers me.
No shortage of super talented people in the industry, so bin this guy and get one of them in instead.
I just read this yesterday and didn't catch it, "Jewery", goddamn, there's no plausible deniability with this one.
Problem is not many can draw issues quickly the ones who do have baggage (Greg Land, Larroca)
Sadly, I can see Marvel just sticking with him until the run is done. (If the run gets boycotted, they only care about the Direct Sales anyways these days which is a big issue.)
I just remembered that not long after the fallout from him supporting this: a violent attack against the journalist Glenn Greenwald, he appeared in a pro-bolsonaro site Terça Livre's podcast (not going to give them a platform by directly linking to it) with the title ''Hulk Against Communism'' to talk about how he was being attacked by vultures and how he now knew who his ''real friends'' were. Motherfucker is complete trash.
The site in question had their youtube channel permanently banned today by way.
The site in question had their youtube channel permanently banned today by way.
There's 7 issues left, I can't imagine they're all done. If he doesn't get replaced by the end of the run, Marvel is basically letting it go.
Well, yeah.
A major role of an editor is to go over your work and look for things you might have missed, from major plot holes to (intentionally or not) offensive material. Particularly for serialized work with a strict deadline, it's understood the creatives might not have time to rake over every detail of their work, so you have someone check their work and make sure everything's in good order before printing.
They also exercise some degree of creative control (varying from "near-total" to "virtually none", depending), but that's really a secondary function. The main purpose of an editor is, not surprisingly, to edit your work.
(That said, he may have intentionally tried to sneak this in, as it's the sort of background detail that might not have been included in drafts/manuscripts and only been added late in the process when the panel's already mostly blessed off on.)
A lot of Marvel is still buddies with the Diamond CEO who's a big asshole.
he most definitely has someone twisting his arm behind his back to make sure he doesnt step out of company line. all creators are beholden to the people who own the property they create with.
Yeah, it fucking sucks. I'm sure Ewing does not feel good about this at all.
I think the fact that they're denying they even knew about it is very damning. Like, there is a Diamond District in NYC, and there are tons of Jewish people who work there and who have worked it for decades. Some of their stores may even have overt signs of Judaism visible, who knows.
New York Jewish Week - Jewish Telegraphic Agency
jewishweek.timesofisrael.com
But to include those character details would mean the comic creators had thought about them and had a reason for them, like in Uncut Gems. Denying they were even intentional means they really were just operating out of stereotype. And the claim that the "Jewery" thing was an innocent mistake becomes infinitely more implausible.
Last I checked a lot of this is still done all by hand even with modern technologies to facilitate it. Bennet's the "artist" but more specifically he's the penciler, aka the one who actually creates the initial image to be later inked and colored. Keeps shit quick for monthly deadlines without burning out your artists.
Hell if Photoshop was an option you'd think he'd stencil in the Star of David when it's clearly drawn badly by hand.
This is the sorta thing I can see whizzing over the head of like, final pass editors. It took me a second to realize there was a giant Star of David and I never noticed the "Jewery" bit until that was pointed out
But the inkers and colorists probably should have noticed everything unless they're absolutely clueless/overworked to the degree it's just white noise.
But the inkers and colorists probably should have noticed everything unless they're absolutely clueless/overworked to the degree it's just white noise.