Marvel Studios' Eternals |OT| Eternals Assemble (Spoilers on Release)
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I liked it. Had some issues with character development (or lack there of) and how some of the plot unfolded, but the sheer scale of the conflict and comedic moments landed for me.
Liked a lot of it, but overall wasn't my favorite. It was gorgeous, and I'll give it genuine credit for not feeling like a Marvel movie. I liked a lot of the characters, but I would have reprioritized which ones I spent the most time with (Sprite was awful).
But it just felt messy, and I didn't care about the story. When the stakes are so high that literally planet Earth is at stake, then I won't end up caring about anything because I know that obviously planet Earth will survive. The story was ambitious, and some concepts and world building was interesting, but overall it kind of felt like the science fiction gobbledygook that people assume all sci-fi is.
Also, after Black Widow and Shang-Chi both raised the overall average of MCU action scenes, this went back to bland, basic CGI action that felt weightless and had boring choreo. The Deviants were boring villains, and what's worse the super Deviant ended up not mattering at all, he just went down like a wet fart. After so much of the driving plot of the film being around the Deviants, it felt like they existed in this movie for the sole purpose of shoehorning in action scenes. Take them away, and nothing really about the plot needs to change.
But it just felt messy, and I didn't care about the story. When the stakes are so high that literally planet Earth is at stake, then I won't end up caring about anything because I know that obviously planet Earth will survive. The story was ambitious, and some concepts and world building was interesting, but overall it kind of felt like the science fiction gobbledygook that people assume all sci-fi is.
Also, after Black Widow and Shang-Chi both raised the overall average of MCU action scenes, this went back to bland, basic CGI action that felt weightless and had boring choreo. The Deviants were boring villains, and what's worse the super Deviant ended up not mattering at all, he just went down like a wet fart. After so much of the driving plot of the film being around the Deviants, it felt like they existed in this movie for the sole purpose of shoehorning in action scenes. Take them away, and nothing really about the plot needs to change.
Oh damn I totally forgot about that. Yeah I wonder how that plays into it. The blue goop stuff that happens on earth in Guardians 2 is never acknowledged in any other movie I think
just came out, and yeh, it not just plain awful like captain marvel, but it does collapse under its own weight. I like Gemma Chan, but her character is just kind of boring, same goes for half of the team, so the movie just slogs half the time going through their arcs. might be the first MCU deep cut that comes out with 0 memorable characters, except maybe that assistant dude.
also its a pretty self contained movie, if you take out all the marvel references, you could just sell this as it's own sci-fi epic about space gods and no one would blink an eye. I know this was due for last year, but it's crazy none of the films have taken the MCU forward like Loki did.
will interested to see how this holds up next week, it will be the first true test of the strength of the MCU brand.
also its a pretty self contained movie, if you take out all the marvel references, you could just sell this as it's own sci-fi epic about space gods and no one would blink an eye. I know this was due for last year, but it's crazy none of the films have taken the MCU forward like Loki did.
will interested to see how this holds up next week, it will be the first true test of the strength of the MCU brand.
Usually when I watch movies critics don't like, I see where they are coming from but can have a different opinion.
I honestly feel like I watched a different movie than the critics did
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oh shit, it does sound similar. I knew I heard something similar before haha
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as his name suggests, the dude was egostical, his objective was not to fulfil his role as a Celestial rather he just wanted to extend himself across the universe and him the centerpiece of the his new world order. this would explain why he broke off from the other celestials and their plan
OMG Im glad I wasn't the only one LOL!!!!
the 'population is large enough to be sacrificed to summon a god' and the end scene where the celestial was turned into ice
Same. The only thing I didn't like very much was the villain:
the Deviants in general were kinda weird and their leader was just wasted potential. The Celestial stuff's good shit, though, and the inter-Eternal conflicts were interesting too, especially once Ikaris' betrayal was revealed.
I think critics were expecting 'more than a Marvel movie' from this one due to the director, maybe? It's also a bit more of a lore-dump than usual, so I can see why some people get turned off if they just want to see superheroes smash things.
Ego is a rogue celestial. He doesnt give a shit what the other celestials do
Title says we can share spoilers on release?
What was the "family history" comment about at the end from Kit Harrington?
When do we get a Marvel film that sets up the mutant storyline? We all know what we're waiting for.
What was the "family history" comment about at the end from Kit Harrington?
When do we get a Marvel film that sets up the mutant storyline? We all know what we're waiting for.
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There was a lot of potential for the movie in terms of its lore.
- God-like figures that interacted with human civilisations in the past (yet we see no consequences of that in the movie aside from the credits in the end that showed ancient art work that depicted them).
- How did immortality affect them? (we saw that only at the end with Sprite's admission, which was the most emotive and powerful scene in the entire film narratively)
- Ikarus' argument could have been made more powerful had they given the other Eternals a connection to other homeworlds (i.e. perhaps with memories of family, lovers, children etc)
- Rather than having the 'sins' of mankind be historical flashbacks, they should have focused on current trends (climate change) to act as an emotional conflict for the Eternals to judge humanity by
- Gilgamesh and Thena's friendship/romance could have been better developed to give it more emotional weight
For the first one, Harrington plays Dane Whitman, who is the Black Knight in the comics. Didnt know that character before, but looking it up a bit it seems his family is tied with the likes of King Arthur and stuff like that.
Imo the X-Men will be teased in a post credits scene from either the Next Doctor Strange or the next Ant-Man, but i dont think the actual X-Men is anywhere close, seems like we'll get another Avengers film and Fantastic Four before that
I just assumed the Emergence would have something to do with genetic markers being activated in humanity etc.
The evolving deviant is kind of a parrallel for mutants in a way indeed
He's just introduced in this movie so you already know him and his motivations when you see him again as the Black Knight going after Dracula with Blade :)
Is Thanos a robot? What does that mean for him to have the Deviant Syndrome from the comics if Deviants and Eternals aren't genetically altered and if Eternals are not alive at all?
Maybe he'll just be an Eternal, but he is huge and purple, so I'd expect that him basically being like part Deviant will still be part of his backstory. Maybe a Deviant absorbed Thanos when he was an Eternal that looked human the way we see Kro absorb Gilgamesh and then Thanos became something new that was a Deviant but with Thanos' personality.
Maybe he'll just be an Eternal, but he is huge and purple, so I'd expect that him basically being like part Deviant will still be part of his backstory. Maybe a Deviant absorbed Thanos when he was an Eternal that looked human the way we see Kro absorb Gilgamesh and then Thanos became something new that was a Deviant but with Thanos' personality.
This was fine. Nothing special.
I think my biggest issue is that it's Endgame's 1st act, but stretched out 2 hours with the last 30 mins your standard Marvel fare. Endgame earned a slow, more human 1st act because we've seen those characters grow for a decade. Here, we have 10 characters being introduced without standout character moments aside from Gilgamesh, Thena, and maybe Kingo.
And it's world ending plot is taken from one of the more divisive episodes of Doctor Who. Along with Transformers 5...
I think my biggest issue is that it's Endgame's 1st act, but stretched out 2 hours with the last 30 mins your standard Marvel fare. Endgame earned a slow, more human 1st act because we've seen those characters grow for a decade. Here, we have 10 characters being introduced without standout character moments aside from Gilgamesh, Thena, and maybe Kingo.
And it's world ending plot is taken from one of the more divisive episodes of Doctor Who. Along with Transformers 5...
Still fuming that they picked the perfect Pink Floyd song for a montage of human progress and then just...immediately cut to the present day lmao.
I watched the movie literally after watching the Vacay Patrol episode of Doom Patrol which has the SAME exact scene… and the Doom Patrol scene was much better and had way less distracting CGI.. The CGI in the movie was pretty bad overall, but the one you pointed out is the bottom of the barrel.
I feel like the valet character is very similar to Deadpool's cabbie friend.
I loved both of them.
I loved it as the transition to the Marvel logo for their cold opening, but I agree that immediately going to the present day felt like it sort of missed an opportunity there. At least it shows Sersi looking at the same knife, but they don't really explore the symbolism for even a brief moment.
Yeah, maybe just the prequel stuff as a tv-series first, introducing each character in their own episode or something. Then the main movie would have been the modern day stuff of finding them and putting the team together.
Tell me you haven't seen many movies without telling me you haven't seen many movies.
If I haven't seen many movies, does it change the validity of my own opinion of how I thought of the movie? If I seen many movies, does it mean I'm okay to dislike the movie? If not, I'm wrong to dislike it?
No it doesn't at all, but being bored watching this may be more on you than on the movie.(emphasis on may)
Pretty boring film. Around 40 minutes too long, and despite that they didn't still give the characters enough attention.
The deviants were just boring filler villains.
The deviants were just boring filler villains.
Right. I know in the comics Sersi is the Eternal that really interacts with the Avengers and wider teamups et al. But I dont think anyone would be opposed to making that Kingo
Found myself bored a lot during this film, mainly because of the main protagonist/when the more entertaining characters weren't in the film. This film has some good things about it, but it's the first Marvel film I felt like I could have skipped, not just in terms of lack of enjoyment but because it doesn't feel as connected to the MCU as all the other films. Even the credits scenes didn't feel like they were worth watching, which is the first time I've felt this way about any Marvel film.
They could have at least shown Blade. Most people in the theater thought it was Fury talking.
I am not saying you are not entitled to your opinion, and I was unnecessarily mean to you, for which I apologize. Here are my honest thoughts on what you said: I can understand how someone would find this movie boring, even though I personally find it incredibly interesting and compelling from beginning to end. It's clear by now that this is a divisive movie, and that saddens me a bit because this, for me, is the kind of project I want to see more of in the MCU, but I can understand some of the complaints. My problem with what you said was the (I assume, hyperbole) of saying it's one of the most boring movies you saw. There are so, so, so many genuinely dull, boring, lifeless movies out there, that it's hard for me to accept that someone would watch this and think this was on-par with or worse than those.
There are certainly parts of the movie that I liked, and I also appreciate the level of diversity included, but sadly it just didn't entertain me by the end. I've seen worse movies for sure, but this one left me feeling so indifferent that I struggle to recall what happened just hours after watching it. But hey, it's great that you and others enjoy it. I must say MCU's recent offerings have been a miss and hit with me. Don't really like Black Widow either. Shang Chi was solid to me.
Well Spider-Man just got back from his trip from Europe and is now a fugitive.
Where does Eternals take place on the MCU timeline?
Analysis: Eternals' MCU timeline placement seems about right
It makes sense that Eternals is the latest film in the MCU timeline so far due to
A fucking worldwide earthquake and a giant robot god head emerging from the ocean
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I enjoyed it, but I'm a Marvel head and read the Gaiman comic. Was clunky at times but overall not nearly as bad as I was expecting.
Oh I forgot, did anyone think Spirit Gun when Kingo was charging up that one shot to kill the Deviant?
I found a leak of a deleted scene coming to Disney Plus next year:
Karun: "K...Kingo, you're back so early? Did the Eternals win?"
Kingo: "No, I decided to sit this one out."
Karun: "But...if your friends lose, I will die. My family, my friends. All of hu-"
Kingo backhands Karun across the face.
Kingo: "DON'T SPEAK BACK TO ME. I own your ass Karun. Don't forget that."
Karun: "K...Kingo, you're back so early? Did the Eternals win?"
Kingo: "No, I decided to sit this one out."
Karun: "But...if your friends lose, I will die. My family, my friends. All of hu-"
Kingo backhands Karun across the face.
Kingo: "DON'T SPEAK BACK TO ME. I own your ass Karun. Don't forget that."
Also I'm reminded of Once upon a time in Mexico in the fact that Selma Hayak's character was dead the entire movie and only shown in flashback scene complete with the scene of when she died late in the movie(could be misremember when she died in OUTM).
I mean, if you're really curious about it, then I guess you can watch it
the reception in this thread is pretty 50/50