Outside of the new character model is that hard-work being shown off in this footage of the game's 60fps performance mode?
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Marvel's Spider-Man Remastered | PS4 Pro VS PS5
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Outside of the new character model is that hard-work being shown off in this footage of the game's 60fps performance mode?
Plenty of other devs are releasing free upgrades. I honestly don't see your point. I'm not calling you foolish or anything of that nature. Difference of opinion. I concede that.
You want a new game?
This is akin to the work Bluepoint did for UC 1-3 or Naughty Dog for TLOU Re... It's 20 bucks...
Stop begging for free shit. There are reasons why some do it, it's not a standard thing. You can chose to not support it or whatever but saying X should be free is stupid and minimizing peoples work. I don't go where you work and tell you arbitrarily just give me free labor.
are you ignoring the following below for funsies or just thinking that it's not hard work?
- Updated city's environments
- Improved models and materials
- Ray-traced reflections and ambient shadows
- New skies and weather effects
- Upgraded Characters (higher fidelity skin, eye, and teeth shaders to individually-rendered strands of hair – Also uses a new facial capture tech)
- 60fps Performance Mode
- Near-instant loading (you can turn back on the fast-travel animations)
- Spatial 3D Audio on compatible headphones
- Haptic feedback and adaptive triggers support
- New photomode features (you can now place lights in the environment and change your suit after you've lined up your shot)
- New suits
- New trophy list
P.S: one day of gamedev is hard work on itself lol, imagine one year remastering a game on this scale.
same, not attacking you or anything. but upgrades on this level? i don't remember a single one. the free upgrades are Gears 5 which is nowhere near this and other third party games like Cyberpunk and Ubisoft games that we don't know the nature of "upgrades" yet.
Who's begging? I'm just not paying for it. Never begged a single time.
Sorry, early morning brain fart. Yeah it's more like an 80% increase in resolution. I still think that it should be pretty doable for it to do 60FPS and sit very close to full 4K in the majority of scenarios given the hardware leap we are seeing from PS4 Pro to PS5.
Those came out ages ago; times have changed and we now have objective comparisons in terms of value. The Witcher 3, for instance, is putting out a higher frame-rate mode with ray-tracing and improved graphics entirely for free next year; why, then, do we have to pay £20 for Spider-Man at 60fps with barely any graphical upgrades?
That and those games were originally on PS3 which was notorious for having a different architecture to other consoles; porting them would have been nowhere near as simple as porting a PS4-native game to PS5 is right now.
I agree, yeah. £20 for a Remaster on the level of those screenshots they put out is a fair price in my eyes.
As I said on the previous page the worst part about this Remaster is that they've locked any sort of 60fps mode to it. You can't just play the original game (with your original saves) at 60fps if you wanted to and play this Remaster if you wanted all the fancy graphics. Instead you have to pay up and lose your save games all whilst not even getting to experience the fancy graphics.
Half of those won't be in the 60fps performance mode that everyone is referring to. The other half are the kinds of things other developers are putting out for free (even Insomniac themselves with the free suits they added to the original game).
I completely agree that the 30fps Remastered mode is fine to be a paid addition. However, it's the fact that they're not giving us the 60fps performance mode for free that is the issue here. Hell, even a 60fps patch for the completely unaltered original game would be much better than this.
The big difference is Spider-Man is still a relatively modern game, UC3 was 4 years old already when UC collection was released
so for a modern game, these are not upgrades worth paying for
I will say that to your boss. I see nothing here that justifie to pay your income.
again, the question is: what does "compatible" mean in this case?
I don't see why this couldn't be a free upgrade for ps4 owners. I loved this game but I can't justify it at launch. Will wait when it's on sale.
Why wouldn't you play it for months? Just don't buy it until you're going to play it? It's a video game, it really doesn't need to be a complicated thing.
Topic title and opening post should indicate this is only a comparison to the performance mode.
We don't know yet because Sony isn't really saying anything about what the PS5's Boost Mode actually gives you. I wouldn't hold out hope that Boost Mode brings the original game to 60fps, though; the game is capped at 30 and I doubt Sony would want to devalue the Remaster by giving you a big selling point for free with the BC version.
I thought all headphones were 3D audio compatible because the hardware was in the PS5, I guess not...
The kicker is that Miles Morales is 59,99€ and Uncharted Lost Legacy was 39,99€ and both are games of the same scope. Miles Morales is shorter than Spider-Man 2018.
so, instead of hiking the price 10€ up like for the other games, they want 20€ more here.
Just frame rate, unless you have dynamic resolution also enabled. But games don't usually have both.
edit: that's bollocks, I recall CoD having dynamic res and not hitting 60fps in some cases. but the point still stands, games would need a target 60fps and dynamic res patch for boost mode to do the rest.
It'd be cool they unlocked framerate and resolution for ps4 BC owners, and who want's, give the option to buy that remaster...
Boost only works where things are unlocked. If the game has resolution locked or capped, it can't exceed that even if the hardware is powerful enough. If frame rate is locked to 30, then it's 30. It's a very quick and easy patch for devs to go back and unlock those things (adding dynamic 4K resolution with a 60fps target essentially) and that's all I really wanted for PS4 games on PS5. Not these paid remasters which add a few more bells and whistles which, tbh, I can't see much of from what's shown thus far.
Well you do need to be able to connect the headset to the ps5. Most use optical for sound, and PS5 doesn't have an optical port. But if you can manage to get audio from the PS5 from which ever way possible, then the 3d processing is done by the PS5. The easiest way would be to just plug in a headset to the controller.
not offering this as a 20 or 30 or 40 dollar standalone shows exactly how pathetic of a move this is from sony
to read through this topic and see people not only accept but embrace this costing 70 dollars (don't say it doesn't, you gotta pay 70 dollars to access it) bothers me.
to read through this topic and see people not only accept but embrace this costing 70 dollars (don't say it doesn't, you gotta pay 70 dollars to access it) bothers me.
blastprocessor can you please add to your OP that around 4:56 the video maker didn't notice the use of the same low resolution shadow maps from the PS4 version that flicker and get gradually improved when you are close to them. This is a common thing for current gen games like Fortnite and MGS5.
You also forgot to mention what the video maker mentioned around 8:06 where Peter's hand shadow is missng from that shot.
- Mugs seem to be different shape and color now.
Overall skin shader and SSS is better now and you can see that on Peter's ears.
Tbh I hope they improve the shadow map quality for the performance mode and that the quality RT mode is using higher quality shadow maps too since that mode is not using RT shadows which is weird tbh since RT AO and RT reflections are more taxing overall which that mode is using.
But I have high hopes till release since jstevenson assured Dark1x that the game is improved since those pics were taken.
You also forgot to mention what the video maker mentioned around 8:06 where Peter's hand shadow is missng from that shot.
- Mugs seem to be different shape and color now.
Overall skin shader and SSS is better now and you can see that on Peter's ears.
Tbh I hope they improve the shadow map quality for the performance mode and that the quality RT mode is using higher quality shadow maps too since that mode is not using RT shadows which is weird tbh since RT AO and RT reflections are more taxing overall which that mode is using.
But I have high hopes till release since jstevenson assured Dark1x that the game is improved since those pics were taken.
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Bad analogy, but I'll play along.
If I go to my boss asking for a raise and I put in a minimum amount of work, I expect to hear "Why should I pay you that? The other guy worked a lot harder than you" or "I could higher another guy cheaper to do the same job?". This represents what an upgrade fee is.
If a go to my boss asking for a raise and I put a maximum amount of effort into it, I expect to hear "Sure. You're worth every dime". This represents what was done with the Demon's Souls remake. A total remake. That's I'm willing to pay for. Spider-man is an upgrade.
The studio themselves did.
This is a bad analogy. You're comparing a full fledged $70 game to a $20 upgrade. If you wanna make this valid, compare it to BC info dump we got a couple days ago. This seems to be what a lot of you are comparing it to already.
Speak with your wallet.
Yep, that would reframe the whole discussion. The way it is those features are arbitrarily locked behind a 20€ barrier
its not basically a new game. As someone who bought the deluxe edition on ps4 and platinumed the game, it seems like a way to try to squeeze more money out of people who already bought it. It should have been free for folks who owned the deluxe edition at least.
I'm going to be pretty sad if my old PS Gold headphones don't support 3D audio.
OK...here's Gears 5. Note that I didn't want to bring up an MS game, but since you've put it in play...
- Contact Shadows
- Screen Space Global Illumination
- 50% higher particles counts than that on the PC's ultra spec
- Real time cinematics in 4K 60fps
- Higher resolution textures
- Improved Anisotropic Filtering
- Higher Resolution Volume Fog
- Higher quality Depth of Field
- Extremely far Draw Distances with high level of object detail
- Shadow Resolution & Shadow Distance
- High quality Screen Space Reflections
- Post Processing improvements like Bloom, Lens Flare, Light Shafts, etc.
- 120fps multiplayer support
Business wants to make as much money as possible, in other news, water is wet. You clearly know I'm talking about players when I ask here 'who wanted this?', not the studio or Sony.
I have a horrible feeling in the launch day hype I'll end up getting the remaster with Miles Morales because it was one of my favourite games this gen…
BUT, this shows why I shouldn't. Sony doesn't exist in a vacuum they are releasing a console in direct competition with Xbox. And Xbox is absolutely shaming them when it comes to BC and free upgrades.
Yeah it costs money to upgrade the games but it gets harder to justify the expense every time MS shows off their own free upgrades. PlayStation isn't exactly hurting for money they could and should upgrade a bunch of their existing games for the transition.
Any headset that works on PS5 is what it means. Plugging a headset to the controller is one way to get 3d audio. For other headsets that support optical audio, then you need to contact the manufacturer for support. For example ASTRO has work arounds for many of their headsets to work on both nextgen systems, either by firmware update or need an adaptor. Basically the 3d audio tech is built in to the PS5, you just need to be able to get audio from it.
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I expected a game built for the previous generation to have both. Current gen titles the trade off is understandable.
Store A is offering buy one get one free on product.
Store B is not offering buy one get one free on product.
F*** store B, I absolutely deserve to get product free there too!
Look, I get it. You absolutely have the right to spend your money where you please to get the most value out ot your money, but let's not pretend that everyone has to give us stuff "Free" just because someone else is willing to. In this case, just don't buy the remaster. Solved.
Sony really should have thrown some money at their first party devs to have day one upgrades for free to existing PS4 games, just like MS did. Spiderman, Last Of US 2, Bloodborne, GT Sport, Ghost of T. Didn't have to be crazy - Frame rate boosts, resolution & texture upgrades, higher quality FX and draw distance, not necessarily adding RT. It would have gone down well with consumers, and it wouldn't have cost Sony all that much to generate that positive PR. Nobody is suggesting Dev's shouldn't be paid for their work, but the platform holder doesn't need to pass that on to consumers, as MS have demonstrated.
We have a couple of PS5s coming, but aside from Demon Souls, there's not much to get excited about at launch. Will probably pick up Valhalla, Watchdogs, and Cyberpunk at launch, but not sure whether those will be on XsX or PS5. Demon's is day one. Knowing that a bunch of games on Xbox will have free patches at launch is very nice and there's a bunch of games I've not properly spent time with, like Gears 5 and FH4. My kids have had PS4s this past gen, so we already have a nice back catalog that I have barely touched, it would have been nice to jump in with some upgrades, that's for sure. With free upgrades from PS4 to PS4 Pro and Xbox One to Xbox One X, it's become expected really.
I do wonder how much of the upgraded tech in Spiderman is a direct result of implementing it in Morales and actually isn't costing the Sony all that much extra to implement.
cmon man, he is just giving his opinion.. let's not get this aggressive.
edit: double post