Psittacus

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I've always wondered if it was possible to do gentrification in a healthy way.
Would it be possible to go into a poor neighborhood, buy up all the property, gift it back to the people already living there without kicking them out of their homes, then hire local companies to come in and renovate their houses and communities and exponentially increase their property values without displacing them from the area?

What would happen if you started pumping crazy money into poor areas without removing the poor people?
Has that ever actually been attempted?
If you increase their property values it'll create an ongoing burden in the form of increased property taxes/council rates. They also won't be able to leverage their now increased wealth without selling the house to a richer family. I'm not saying it couldn't be done it's just not that easy.
 

Pepsimaaan

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The only appropriate response.
 

perfectchaos007

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I consider myself empathetic, but I cannot find sympathy towards the plight of the wealthy.
Trade places with someone making under $40K/yr to get some perspective and then they'll really need a therapists help, oh wait they can't fit a therapist into their tight budget. Tough shit
 

sph3re

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The issue is that the wealthy have the means to leave a mark on the world and often its a negative one. Elon Musk is a divorced dad going through a midlife crisis that the entire world has to deal with.
Yeah, agreed. Schlubs like me are worried about having the resources necessary to make any impact on the world at all, while wealthy people have all the resources to make all of the impacts. It really sounds like that is the quintessential example of "first-world problems" as I'm writing this out, haha. "Oh no, I have too much money and I don't know how to leave my mark because I can do so much oh noooooo"

I'm sure there is unbelievable societal pressure when you're ultra-wealthy, and for good reason. It's something that is unique to them and I can't speak to how they feel. I can speak to how I feel on a day-to-day basis however, which entails an ever-present feeling of dread over being able to pay my bills and survive.

So, uh... different challenges for me and Musk, I suppose. At least I didn't buy an unprofitable social media website instead of alleviating global hunger, that must have been embarrassing. Poor guy.
 

Darryl M R

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I've been in spaces with wealthy people who are struggling to find purpose in their lives because it is obvious that they are wealth destroyers and not wealth builders, which is a status symbol among the wealthy. This is a reason you can easily see nepo-babies start unprofitable ventures to pretend that they are a savant worthy of their position in life.

It's a wild concept to think about: you have zero proof points that you are resilient and can overcome challenges on your own due to your inherited wealth and privilege. You feel like an imposter in your own skin despite having enough resources to live any quality of life you want. You go to sleep restless over the fact that you have achieved nothing on your own.

I remember the first time I used a Gameshark on Pokemon (Ruby). The game wasn't fun anymore. I had level 100 Pokemon and maxed out currency - there was no challenge. I cheated not only the game but myself. That's their life.

Oh well. I literally have zero empathy for this struggle. Pound sand.
 

Jedi2016

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The cynic in me sees this and it looks like a puff piece designed to convince normal people that we don't really want to be rich, so we should just get back to work. Especially that bit about finding the meaning of your life in your work.
 

Nepenthe

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People are comfortable talking their shit about "the rich" and "billionaires," but when you remind them that the concept refers to actual, individual people in any tangible way - outside of the most widely known reprobates - suddenly plenty of people collapse in on themselves like creme brulee and expose their gooey "they're people too!" center. Folks are very comfortable decrying oppression, but extending the same attitude to oppressors is much more difficult.
Yep. Multiple people in this thread have said "wealth inequality is a problem, but rich people have feelings too." Aiming ire at the system is easy. Aiming it at individuals is radical.

This is also by design. The isolation that the wealthy in this article complain about is ironically one of the myriad of defense mechanisms they have from actually facing direct responsibility for the bullshit they perpetuate on the rest of us. Middle managers, public relations, human resources- all part of a protective subclass to prevent the poor from having direct access to the decision makers directly. Because the last time we had direct access to them we were rioting over working conditions and knew exactly who to blame for those conditions. And responsibility is scary.

But now the wealthy are so fucking far out of reach, so divorced from the daily life of the rest of us, boarded up behind gated communities and security guards, that directly blaming any given individual feels a lot more ephemeral. This is now a systemic problem that is magically self-sustaining without individual input, and any singular wealthy person ergo now has far less culpability in the minds of the public.

But these same protections from culpability also gives them an identity crisis and a lack of community and stable relationships. They're "isolated." Isn't that sad? You can't rebuke sad things. You can't say "fuck you" to the wealthy. They're "just like you."
 

Elfgore

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Seeing as this article seems to be specifically talking about the 1%.... I don't care about them. I don't care if they're depressed and lonely. Their need for more money has lead to massive layoffs, multiple financial crisis, and gods know what else. You are responsible for parts of the economy at that point. If you didn't want that responsibility, why did you become a hyper capitalist?

Also, poor people have to worry about most of your problems, except the stupid "i have too much money" while being scared you may can their jobs at a moment's notice. Wonder if owners and higher ups in Red Lobster attend these therapist, they just closed dozens of stores.

"Money doesn't but happiness" is the worst phrase ever. It does do that, but it brings peace of mind and that needs to be included. Almost everyone would take the choice to be rich over not rich.
 

ngower

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Mental health doesn't discriminate based on socio-economic status. The difference is, rich people can afford things like a work-life balance, vacations, necesarry treatments, etc. Some of us have to pick between groceries or anti-depressants.
 

Vipershark

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If you increase their property values it'll create an ongoing burden in the form of increased property taxes/council rates. They also won't be able to leverage their now increased wealth without selling the house to a richer family. I'm not saying it couldn't be done it's just not that easy.
It sounds like there are inherent systemic issues to how our (US?) society values property.
If you can't improve living conditions for poor people without literally making it so that they can't afford better living conditions, how are they expected to ever get out of poverty?
 

louiedog

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An extremely wealthy person wanted to hire me for a bigger job than I usually do for others. Based on the conversation we're talking a billionaire. We had several phone meetings with them and one of their staff. I declined because it was just too many hoops and they kept acting like I should be grateful for the opportunity. I'm plenty busy right now and wish I'd said no to more requests this month.

To this day I have no idea what their name is because we didn't get to the point where I signed the NDAs, yes plural. I could see how that person would feel isolated, but it's definitely their own doing.

Also, they wanted to haggle with my rate. No one has ever done that before. They probably make more in interest in an hour than they'd have paid me for the whole job.
 

TaxiDriver

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Nah, that wouldn't be gentrification. Gentrification is like a smaller scale colonization by definition. People are displaced.

Ah but isn't that why they're depressed, because they feel isolated? As humans we need positive and fulfilling human interaction so money can't replace that. But we also gotta eat and pay bills so money definitely affects how you move about the world.
A world where you don't deal with other people is a sad future tbh.


Relative to their situation I'm not gonna argue. I'm definitely not gonna make them read an article about how, actually, I'm sad too and they need to feel empathy for me.

Yea true that publishing an article and expecting sympathy is not cool. I don't think it was rich people which published the article wanting sympathy.

Was published more for bait which worked!
 

Silverhand

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I remember, I think it was a documentary, the guy talking was a bellhop at a major hotel and he said one thing he's learned about rich people is to them money is like water. It's just always there and it just serves a purpose. He'd get handed $100 bills in tips. Money meant nothing to these people because they had so much of it.

Really opened my eyes.
 

Orayn

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One one hand, mental health doesn't know how much money you make, and rich people have the same flaws, insecurities, and general brain problems as the rest of us. It goes a long way to explain how people like JKR, Glinner, and Elon can keep finding obsessions that seem to make them genuinely unhappy at times, despite having all of their material needs met thousands of times over. It only makes it more ironic that they could get all the help in the world for whatever problems they have, but choose to go down the rabbit hole anyway.

On the other, I think we try too hard to empathize with the ruling class. I get it, they allegedly experience life in the same way we do, but their position in society makes me think about them more like the demons from Frieren, amoral monsters who only use human language and culture to amass more power and satisfy their inhuman appetites. Their feelings and inner lives are not worth thinking about while they have their boots on our collective necks.
 

Dark Knight

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Somebody call a waahmbulance.

Wealth might not solve your emotional health, but it is an undeniable necessity for people to grow as people. I recently learned of the Maslow's heirarchy of needs.

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So these people are having trouble at the third level and beyond. As most people will their entire lives to some degree, I imagine. However, they are incapable of understanding how good they have it because they'll never even think about the first two levels. The first level hardly even exists for them, so I think they'll only care about it in terms of other people if it benefits them in some way.

I ain't a psychologist though. I'm just spitting. I don't have a lot of sympathy for these individuals blinded by their luck. I'm sure there a lot of people don't have sympathy for many of us because plenty of us here on this forum have a house, job, etc. We're relatively very lucky. The world kinda sucks.
Absolute best way to consider all of this. It's not that I don't empathize with people who need help with their mental health. It's more so that much of humanity is still struggling with the first two levels of this triangle, so it's hard to truly feel bad about the woes of the priveleged by the most basic comparison. I'll echo others in saying that these sad, wealthy people might be a lot happier and less isolated if they gave back to the communities that their very existence marginalizes. Like, I'm sorry you're unhappy, but you have every opportunity to seek happiness where so many others do not.
 

Pau

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Nah.

Many people in my family are independently wealthy (or supported by family that are independently wealthy) and never have had to work a day in their lives and still live a life that most folks only dream off.

The only ones who are relatively happy and healthy are those that actually do things with their time, whether it's volunteering, being physically active, working a job they like even if it doesn't really make any money. The rest have so many mental health issues and do nothing with their days, but I can't bring myself to care because they literally have all the resources and time in the world. And of course are also staunchly anti-welfare and against any sort of socialist reform.
 

Ashrak

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Ah but isn't that why they're depressed, because they feel isolated? As humans we need positive and fulfilling human interaction so money can't replace that. But we also gotta eat and pay bills so money definitely affects how you move about the world.
A world where you don't deal with other people is a sad future tbh.

If you are rich and feel lonely, you can do it like everyone else of us and discuss stuff that you love online with a pseudonym instead of telling everyone who you are and how big your bank balance is. Or try the same thing offline. Of course, this only works if you are not part of the group that shouts their wealth to the whole world. So it doesn't work for the Elon Musks of this world.

Sorry, but this "feeling isolated"-thing is the most first world-first world problem that you could ever have.
 

Grenouille

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This is a weird thread. The OP is a psychological analysis on a specific subject (even though it gives us some results that sound cliche). Then most responses in the first page are just reactions about how awful rich people are, which is true, but that's beside the point here, and a shallow way to engage with the content. I don't think the article is asking anyone to feel sorry for these people.
 

HStallion

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This is a weird thread. The OP is a psychological analysis on a specific subject (even though it gives us some results that sound cliche). Then most responses in the first page are just reactions about how awful rich people are, which is true, but that's beside the point here, and a shallow way to engage with the content. I don't think the article is asking anyone to feel sorry for these people.

Do we honestly need yet another article about how the rich are just like us? Seriously I don't think so and I will point out one of the first lines in the article is this:

""Most people can't understand how rich people can have problems. They dismiss rich people's mental health concerns as insignificant and of diminished importance," said Paul Hokemeyer, a clinical psychotherapist who treats the ultra rich."

That seems to be pointing out average people don't really care about the feelings and mental health of the rich. So it might not be asking but its certainly highlighting the issue from the start.
 

tangeu

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This is a weird thread. The OP is a psychological analysis on a specific subject (even though it gives us some results that sound cliche). Then most responses in the first page are just reactions about how awful rich people are, which is true, but that's beside the point here, and a shallow way to engage with the content. I don't think the article is asking anyone to feel sorry for these people.

The whole reason for the article to exist is to say "see the rich are just like you, money doesn't solve problems so stop complaining about being poor"

It's simply propaganda and should be dismissed as such.
 

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This is a weird thread. The OP is a psychological analysis on a specific subject (even though it gives us some results that sound cliche). Then most responses in the first page are just reactions about how awful rich people are, which is true, but that's beside the point here, and a shallow way to engage with the content. I don't think the article is asking anyone to feel sorry for these people.
The running joke is, no one reads articles, they just react to headlines.
 

Scuffed

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These people are generally never satisfied so I don't know how anyone could get a good read on a problem they actually have or just a situation where they never feel satiated. To them having only 5 people worshipping the ground they walk on feels lonely because they used to have 20 people lol.

Overall I don't give a flying fuck about how lonely rich people say they are. "Lonely at the top" has been the phrase for so long as a way to make them look like they have problems too well lower income people have loneliness problems AND money problems.
 

HStallion

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Can't wait for the next article: 'Dictatorship can be pretty isolating': Problems that despots face, according to therapists.
 

DevilPuncher

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A rich prick somewhere: "Oh, Maxwell, please commission a puff piece about how very lonely I am to placate the poors."
 

Beren

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When there's no need to work, where do you get your sense of meaning and purpose and structure?
If someone says this to me (and I've met a couple of these people) it's a huge indicator that they haven't worked on themselves and cultivated inner happiness. Getting purpose from work is OUTSIDE validation and is fleeting, fickle, and subject to forces outside of your control, meaning you are putting your source of happiness outside of your control. This is a huge mistake, and is an internal philosophy problem, not a problem with whatever your social or wealth status is. More external validation won't fix it, either, so looking for more to do isn't the solution. It's the same problem with people that base their whole personality on fiction like Star Wars. It's too easy to lose that part of your identity to an outside force and will jeopardize your mental health. These rich people don't have a money problem - they have a self-worth problem.

It also makes their argument worthless. They don't feel isolated because of their money. They feel isolated because money is the only thing they measure themselves by. I feel sympathy that they're lost, but not because they're rich. They'd feel the same if they were poor. So how about they spread the money around for people who don't value their worth by money?
 

HStallion

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The article has some hilariously stupid lines if you ask me.

"She noted that they too face the gamut of emotions such as grief, trauma, losses and challenging relationships. But in addition to that, pressure on how the money is spent, and who to trust."

Oh no the billionaire is worried about money... when they can literally spend the yearly salaries of a small city in a day and have on financial burden related to that. Give me a fucking break.
 

mbpm

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It's difficult to be mentally healthy in an unhealthy world. To change mental health as a whole, it might be necessary to change the world.

Some are better situated for that task than others.
 

adj_noun

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My heart is a hole
A vast, lonely canyon
Wind whistling through
In a low, tuneless whine

I reach out for a hand
From this vast, lonely canyon
Searching past my housekeeping staff
And my security staff
And my grounds-keeping staff
And my helicopter pilot
And my chef
And my nannies
And my drivers
And my personal trainer
And my assistants

But no one is there
In this vast, lonely canyon
To reach out to me
 

SquirrelSr

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Why should I care for rich people when they never cared about me? Sorry I literally can't afford to care about them.
 

Two Peppers

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It's good to be aware of this stuff because these are people who can lash out and do massive amounts of damage. If they're just trying to tell us that we should be sorry for rich people, I mean, ok. I've just now spent a few seconds being sorry that rich people are lonely, now let's please get them to stop ruining the world for everyone else.
 

mael

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Seems like an easy problem to solve.
I think it's even in a book that's circulating where they tell that rich people should give their belongings if they want to reach heaven or some shit.
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adj_noun

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Seems like an easy problem to solve.
I think it's even in a book that's circulating where they tell that rich people should give their belongings if they want to reach heaven or some shit.

It's easier for a rich camel to enter the eye of a man than it is for a god to enter the kingdom of needles.
 

Fisty

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You'd think no one would care about rich people whining about being lonely, yet Drake keeps selling albums
 

Tater

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I have a friend who made a ridiculous sum of money when a company he started was acquired. And since it made the news, everyone who knew him knew that he was suddenly extremely wealthy.

It caused issues with his family - he bought his parents a house, and they were upset he didn't buy them a bigger house. He barely talks with them any more because of the demands they kept making on him. Dating and socializing became difficult as well, because how do you know if the person genuinely likes hanging out with you, or is just interested in your money? Everyone has an ulterior motive now, and it's tiring to be on guard all the time.

As much as I agree with the takes in this thread, for me this guy is humanized in a way that most rich people aren't. He's someone I used to geek out with in high school over math and Doom. I don't feel sorry for him in the slightest, but his wealth came with downsides that seem trivial unless you're the one experiencing it.
 

kiaaa

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The running joke is, no one reads articles, they just react to headlines.

It's like a 700 word article about insanely wealthy people having wealthy people problems. I think most people would kill to have these problems because it turns out that having food and shelter is way more important than worrying about how you're going to maintain your mountain of cash.

what are we missing?
 

I am a Bird

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Stop being rich then. This is like the most solvable problem. Literally settle for a more contented lifestyle amongst regular people.
 

jmood88

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I've always wondered if it was possible to do gentrification in a healthy way.
Would it be possible to go into a poor neighborhood, buy up all the property, gift it back to the people already living there without kicking them out of their homes, then hire local companies to come in and renovate their houses and communities and exponentially increase their property values without displacing them from the area?

What would happen if you started pumping crazy money into poor areas without removing the poor people?
Has that ever actually been attempted?
There's no need for all this, city politicians just need to do their fucking jobs and stop deliberately allowing poor communities to rot.
 

Nepenthe

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It's like a 700 word article about insanely wealthy people having wealthy people problems. I think most people would kill to have these problems because it turns out that having food and shelter is way more important than worrying about how you're going to maintain your mountain of cash.

what are we missing?
This subject matter is honestly not worth engaging with on a deeper level. Yes, wealthy people experience isolation from being in a group deliberately composed of a small amount of people that can directly relate. Anyone with two braincells could've put that one together without this piece. The fact that we're five pages in (and that I've contributed to that 5 pages as well) is indicative of how easy it is to waste time on capitalist bullshit.