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Media Create Sales: Week 11, 2018 (Mar 12 - Mar 18)
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Yep it's bizarre. A game that was never released for a Nintendo console nor was, in any way, associated with one now is a sign that support for a currently popular system is dwindling.
Companies will release stuff for a system they believe they have a audience for. Not every game has to come out for the Switch.
A game like GE3 - that def. looked like it could run on Switch and has a portable past not being on Switch is def. an issue.
Project GE games have been Sony only so far - this new title will be likely on Xbox as well though, so it probably could have been on Switch as well if Nintendo had pushed for it...the question then is why didnt they bother ? If they know MH Switch is bound to happen in the next 12-18 months i can see why they would try to secure another hunting action game.
Bamco still has a couple of Switch surprises to unveil for this year - i still think there will be a 4player coop action game in the style of MH announced for a release this year on Switch.
Switch right now is being positioned as a follow up to the DS and 3DS which both received the mainline SMT titles and a bunch of other non-Persona related content.
"The market moving to multiplats"
Atlus hasnt recieved that Memo yet - this would be argument for every other developer, i dont see how its relevant in this case. Unless you are expecting every potential Switch title to be multiplattform, while all PS games stay exclusive.
Project GE games have been Sony only so far - this new title will be likely on Xbox as well though, so it probably could have been on Switch as well if Nintendo had pushed for it...the question then is why didnt they bother ? If they know MH Switch is bound to happen in the next 12-18 months i can see why they would try to secure another hunting action game.
Bamco still has a couple of Switch surprises to unveil for this year - i still think there will be a 4player coop action game in the style of MH announced for a release this year on Switch.
You think Nintendo paid off Atlus for all the DS and 3DS support over the last decade ? That doesnt make much sense.
Switch right now is being positioned as a follow up to the DS and 3DS which both received the mainline SMT titles and a bunch of other non-Persona related content.
"The market moving to multiplats"
Atlus hasnt recieved that Memo yet - this would be argument for every other developer, i dont see how its relevant in this case. Unless you are expecting every potential Switch title to be multiplattform, while all PS games stay exclusive.
Just speculation. I wouldn't even gloat if it turns out to be true.
I think the point is if Nagoshi didn't want to be there he wouldn't be. If Nintendo and Sega needed a corporate hack to sling Sonic then Iizuka would've been fine and also recognizable to the audience. And given Nagoshi's track record he wouldn't have been there if there wasn't a CS1 game in the works, one which he even mentioned a desire to create. He's there for Sega but also points own his own opinion as an individual game maker. I mean, how obvious can it be? No a game wasn't officially announced, no Sega games were officially announced at that point.
I used this comparison before but it'd be sort of like if Apple had brought out Miyamoto at their keynote and he'd demoed a Pokémon or Fire Emblem game instead of Mario Run. It technically makes sense as he is basically Nintendo's closest equivalent, but knowing anything about Miyamoto or Nintendo it really doesn't.
Speaking of God Eater (I assume), do we have any update on Epic's whole "over 20 Japanese UE4 games in the works for Switch" thing from last Summer? Outside of Yoshi, SMTV and DQXI I can't really think of any.
This is one of the reasons it's surprising to me to see all these UE4 games skipping Switch, simply because we know there were supposedly a lot in the works for the platform.
This is one of the reasons it's surprising to me to see all these UE4 games skipping Switch, simply because we know there were supposedly a lot in the works for the platform.
My contention isn't even about games announced at "That point". A year back if you made the same point, I would have said maybe.
Its a year later and no game form Nagoshi is in sight, which puts what he said a year ago in perspective.
They did use Miyamoto to shrill Geist.
You've got this completely backwards. Hashino and P team/Studio Zero are the division that's already gone multiplatform, meanwhile the Maniax, CS and EO groups are all still single platform. SMTV also sort of implies that might not be changing the way you assume it is.
I mean, he was somewhat involved with the development of that game, he was the one who apparently suggested the team to have a object possession mechanic added.
My Hero Academia One's Justice, Travis Strikes Again and Octopath Traveler are some titles that I can think of.
There's also quite some Japanese indie games that uses UE4.
Atlus doesn't make multiplat games and I doubt they will now.
Yeah, I don't understand how this is "doomsaying". I think Nintendo can carry alone if they have to, but it's worth discussing third party support and why I, personally, think people shouldn't expect much. If you read the last few pages in this thread, many posts are implying some imaginary games are almost confirmed, yet announcement after announcement, we see that this isn't what's happening.
I also feel that it lagging behind the 3DS in HW sales will hurt what kind of software the system gets as a big draw to Nintendo portables are their selling power in Japan.
Well, I will concede you are right when Persona happens on NSW.
I think that's a fair takeaway and who knows, things can always change. But the idea that Nagoshi was ever only there to rep Sonic and Atlus is completely offbase given what he said and his own track record. That's my only point.
For an Apple or Google platform? At least try to keep it relevant please.
I mean, it happened on 3DS.
I guess I'll concede when SMT, DeSu and EO are on PS4.
My Miyamoto example is to show that corporations can use their big names to shrill projects the big name employee is only marginally involved in.
P-Q is an Etrian Team project.
As for the rest, we shall just wait and see. DeSu is already dead afaik.
Please stop this, he was involved in the development of Geist.
http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/interview/2260/the-geist-interview
I very clearly never said or implied this so I'm not going to address it.
SMT5 announcement was a really positive sign but since then things havent looked good with Atlus imo.
I was thinking of Persona 5, Persona 3 and 5 Dancing and Catherine when I made that statement.
Miyamoto had design influence and feedback on Geist. Exactly what did Nagoshi contribute to Sonic Forces and Puyo Puyo Tetris?
He was involved, but not heavily so. Giving some suggestions doenst make it a "Miyamoto game", as the marketing back then tried to imply. This in fact caused some unhappiness from Miyamoto in that was mentioned in some retrospective of the game IIRC.
wasn't one of the arguments people had against the vita when it launched was that it would be too expensive to develop for. Though I guess with people accepting higher prices on switch games that's not really an issue anymore.
Sure, but the way you are suggesting was that he was just some talking head with no influence on the actual development, which is not the case.
SMT could have easily been multiplat under this same belief so it doesn't really hold up to corporate culture. At this point it'd put in the case of very unlikely.
Not really. The director of PQ had previously worked on mainline Persona games and the Trauma Center series too for example. Actually the lead planner, writer, artist, composer, a lot of staff actually came from P Studio. And Hashino produced it, PQ quite literally is a P Studio game.
maniyugi tokoyo released on steam and scheduled on 3DS for this spring
This sound, wonderful :)
Screens and details here
http://studiotokoyo.com/maniyugi-tokoyo-j.html
https://www.famitsu.com/news/201803/26154402.html
This sound, wonderful :)
Screens and details here
http://studiotokoyo.com/maniyugi-tokoyo-j.html
https://www.famitsu.com/news/201803/26154402.html
Do you have a link to this statement? Im curious why its too difficult to put a dungeon crawler on a hd console. The map displayed on a second screen wasnt really a big deal imo. You can just put it on "select" or similar, maybe a transparent, zoomable map.
I really like atlus and EO, but i think they dont want to invest in the series, as there is hardly any development in the entries, the first one looking rather the same as the last entry. Id say EO would profit a lot if it had some more of the budget and take the next step into hd. Legend of Grimrock for example handled these mechanics really good imo esp in terms of exploration and puzzles.
We can add Ark in the list. However it appears that the game began developpement after Epic's statement.
Famitsu interview IIRC. The part about difficulty is mostly inferred from how the next game is still on the 3DS, and will be the "last game to use a double screen".
Map drawing is a big part of what makes Etrian unique and gives the series identity. Alot of existing fans love the map drawing. Not sure of Etrian Team have it in them to find other source and less obvious (gimmicky?) USP for the games.
Completely forgot about Octopath and I had no idea the other two were UE4. That gets us to 6 games though. I also have no idea about any Japanese indies using UE4 but could there really be over 14 of those that were in production as of last April?
Ark isn't made by a Japanese developer. The statement was specifically about 20 Japanese UE4 Switch games in the works.
What I could find:
- Dragon Quest XI (Square Enix/Orca)
- Happy Birthdays (Toybox)
- My Hero Academia: One's Justice (Byking)
- Octopath Traveler (Square Enix/Acquire)
- Shin Megami Tensei V (Atlus)
- Tiny Metal (Area 35)
- Travis Strikes Again (Grasshopper Manufacture)
- Yoshi (Good Feel)
Ok thanks, didnt notice this.
They can keep the drawing part while the game being paused, i was also a fan of the drawing, i just think it is not essential to be displayed on a second screen. I really hope we will see many further entries of EO, but i wish they would start to make some progress technical wise like nearly everyone does. I think its a very conservative jrpg series in terms of costs and progressing, of course very niche. Time will tell.
I thought Birthdays the Beginning was UE4 but looking now I can't find any reference to it? Maybe I just confused it with Hakoniwa Company Works?
Thanks for compiling this. So theoretically we should be seeing 12 more Japanese UE4 games that have been in the works since April 2017 or earlier announced for Switch.
Personally, I think P5P makes a lot of sense and is something we could see in a couple of years, regarding P Studio. I don't think it is at all, however, a sure thing.
SMTV and the recent Dancing and Catherine announcements suggest that Atlus believes in putting out ecosystem exclusives (to this point, Catherine was originally on X360, no? Isn't this new version Vita/PS4?) and we could instead just see an enhanced edition for PS4 in a couple years instead of a portable edition.
I think, more than making SMTV multiplatform, which I think would be a good idea and could ride P5's coattails on PS4 some while also going for the Atlus fanbase on (Nintendo) portables, P5P makes a lot of sense given the importance of, in particular, Golden to the growth of the franchise. There's a track record of success for portable Persona re-releases and it isn't like Atlus doesn't sell on Nintendo platforms--they do. Beyond this, Persona just has a higher sales potential and more to gain from multiplatform accordingly.
So I think what does end up happening wrt a hypothetical Persona rerelease will be incredibly telling as to Atlus's future release strategy.
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This would be the ideal for Switch (everything :P) with my thoughts on each piece:
-SMTV--this is happening
-successor software to other 3DS games, including new SMT spinoffs and other new/old RPG IP from said software streams--currently, 3DS is still getting these games and there would at least be problems transitioning EO. I think we will see these support streams on Switch, albeit after a wait and at diminished productivity.
-TMS successor--I think this was made by a team that worked on 3DS though? So this might just roll into the above. I could see more things like this though, with Nintendo paying to offset increased development costs.
-Persona 5 rerelease--I assume a release is happening and atm I'm hedging my bets towards PS4-only release, personally.
-Persona spinoffs/other P Studio software going forward--currently this is skipping Switch and until we see signs otherwise, I'm going to assume it will continue to do so, outside more PQ. (Higher chance of more coming if mainline Persona comes).
-Project Re: Fantasy--I'm guessing this will follow Persona support, whichever way that goes. So I'm guessing PS4 exclusive atm, but I could see it being multiplatform or having a late Switch release (perhaps enhanced).
SMTV and the recent Dancing and Catherine announcements suggest that Atlus believes in putting out ecosystem exclusives (to this point, Catherine was originally on X360, no? Isn't this new version Vita/PS4?) and we could instead just see an enhanced edition for PS4 in a couple years instead of a portable edition.
I think, more than making SMTV multiplatform, which I think would be a good idea and could ride P5's coattails on PS4 some while also going for the Atlus fanbase on (Nintendo) portables, P5P makes a lot of sense given the importance of, in particular, Golden to the growth of the franchise. There's a track record of success for portable Persona re-releases and it isn't like Atlus doesn't sell on Nintendo platforms--they do. Beyond this, Persona just has a higher sales potential and more to gain from multiplatform accordingly.
So I think what does end up happening wrt a hypothetical Persona rerelease will be incredibly telling as to Atlus's future release strategy.
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This would be the ideal for Switch (everything :P) with my thoughts on each piece:
-SMTV--this is happening
-successor software to other 3DS games, including new SMT spinoffs and other new/old RPG IP from said software streams--currently, 3DS is still getting these games and there would at least be problems transitioning EO. I think we will see these support streams on Switch, albeit after a wait and at diminished productivity.
-TMS successor--I think this was made by a team that worked on 3DS though? So this might just roll into the above. I could see more things like this though, with Nintendo paying to offset increased development costs.
-Persona 5 rerelease--I assume a release is happening and atm I'm hedging my bets towards PS4-only release, personally.
-Persona spinoffs/other P Studio software going forward--currently this is skipping Switch and until we see signs otherwise, I'm going to assume it will continue to do so, outside more PQ. (Higher chance of more coming if mainline Persona comes).
-Project Re: Fantasy--I'm guessing this will follow Persona support, whichever way that goes. So I'm guessing PS4 exclusive atm, but I could see it being multiplatform or having a late Switch release (perhaps enhanced).
I tried, and if it hadn't been for you, I would have been successful.
Back to alcohol and pills it is.
Still find it weird that Inti Creates is known for pretty cool retro pixel art games...and bottom bin fan service trash.
Fun fact, despite that they feel the Gal Gun brand is less toxic than Mighty No 9 so they renamed Mighty Gunvolt to Gal Gunvolt despite being the same game.
Is MN9 still in the game? Could be a licensing issue
Come on now, I know the wait for the Western release is difficult, but it won't be much longer. We're less than one month away!
The game is a MN9 demake. He's in the trailer, they show gameplay
Never forget that the company responsible for Alundra, the DS remakes of FF3 and 4 and The 4 Heroes of Light is also responsible for this:
A game that has the distinction of having it's sequel banned not only in Australia but also the UK. So the existence of Gal Gun hardly surprises honestly.
SMT5 being exclusive to Switch doesn't make much sense and neither does Persona 5 not coming to Switch.
Not sure what Sega-Atlus is doing there.
Not sure what Sega-Atlus is doing there.
aren't these series generally not multiplat with each entry?
but yeah from the outside I don't get it. Especially SMT unless it's paid for.
Going back to this and being slightly off topic according to Zhuge physical NNK2<physical NNK but digital is unknown.
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