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Media Create Sales: Week 23, 2019 (Jun 03 - Jun 09)

Avada Kedavra

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Previous Story of Seasons games:

[3DS] Story of Seasons: Trio of Towns - 110.597 (219.430) - 23/06/2016
[3DS] Harvest Moon: Linking the New World - 116.922 (259.111) - 27/02/2014
[3DS] Harvest Moon: A New Beginning - 79.809 (264.042) - 23/02/2012
[NDS] Harvest Moon: Twin Villages - 65.074 (212.870) - 08/07/2010
 
Lelouch0612

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Avada Kedavra said:
Previous Story of Seasons games:

[3DS] Story of Seasons: Trio of Towns - 110.597 (219.430) - 23/06/2016
[3DS] Harvest Moon: Linking the New World - 116.922 (259.111) - 27/02/2014
[3DS] Harvest Moon: A New Beginning - 79.809 (264.042) - 23/02/2012
[NDS] Harvest Moon: Twin Villages - 65.074 (212.870) - 08/07/2010
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Can you give us the numbers for past Doraemon games too ?
 
Lelouch0612

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Avada Kedavra said:
It's predominantly a Story of Seasons game so that's not as relevant. Unless you're suggesting that Doraemon is dragging down its potential.
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It is called Doraemon Story of Seasons, not the opposite. So I would consider it a Doraemon spin-off. Even if you consider it a SoS spin-off it would still be interesting to have historical data for both franchises.
 
ArkhamFantasy

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NNK2 only legging out another 100k in a year is really depressing, It's not like it doesn't have good production values and reviews so it's just a fundamental issue of appeal.
 

ZSaberLink

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Cantaim said:
I'm curious what this threads thoughts are on the DQ character getting into Smash. Do y'all think when the DQ character is released that it will cause a large bump for Smash Ultimate? I feel like it'll get a bump myself but I can't really think of how big it'll be.
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It won't cause a sales bump for Ultimate imo. I don't think we've ever seen DLC for any game doing that. It'll probably keep the user base active though.
 
Zedark

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Doraemon franchise sales in Japan (from Gamedatalibrary):
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FC    Doraemon         1.150.000    Hudson Soft    12/12/1986
NDS    Doraemon: New Magic World Adventure DS    13.452    63.252    SEGA    08/03/2007
NDS    Doraemon: Nobita no Kyouryuu 2006 DS    15.986    61.635    SEGA    02/03/2006
3DS    Doraemon: Nobita to Himitsu Dougu Hakubutsukan    11.962    61.014    FuRyu    07/03/2013
NDS    Doraemon: Nobita and the Green Giant DS    14.541    58.331    SEGA    06/03/2008
3DS    Doraemon: Nobita and the Island of Miracles    12.620    56.577    FuRyu    01/03/2012
3DS    Doraemon: Shin Nobita no Nihon Tanjou    7.975    32.995    FuRyu    03/03/2016
3DS    Doraemon: Nobita no Uchuu Eiyuuki    5.359    31.528    FuRyu    05/03/2015
SFC    Doraemon 4: Nobita to Toki no Okoku    8.567    28.682    Epoch    15/12/1995
3DS    Doraemon the Movie: Nobita no Nankyoku Kachikochi Daibouken    6.399    24.920    FuRyu    02/03/2017
3DS    Doraemon: Nobita no Takarajima    5.393    23.791    FuRyu    01/03/2018
N64    Doraemon    18.359    18.359    Epoch    21/03/1997

Sales seem to be between 50k-70k outside of Famicom, so I expect Doraemon SoS to fall between 70k and 200k of the two franchises.
 
ItWasMeantToBe19

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Oct 26, 2017
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Chris, how are the preorders for upcoming Nintendo games and FF7R doing.

FF7R is apparently doing massive preorder numbers in the US right now.
 
fiendcode

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Avada Kedavra said:
It's predominantly a Story of Seasons game so that's not as relevant. Unless you're suggesting that Doraemon is dragging down its potential.
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Well, here's the last SOS spinoff:

[3DS] Return to PoPoLoCrois: A Story of Seasons Fairytale - 44.902 (78.166) - 18/06/2015

You tell me if the other property or being a spinoff dragged down it's potential.
 

Avada Kedavra

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Jan 23, 2019
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fiendcode said:
Well, here's the last SOS spinoff:

[3DS] Return to PoPoLoCrois: A Story of Seasons Fairytale - 44.902 (78.166) - 18/06/2015

You tell me if the other property or being a spinoff dragged down it's potential.
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If you want to equate PoPoLoCrois to Doraemon that's on you. That's like saying One Piece: Pirate Warriors and Arslan: The Warriors of Legend should have done the same because they're both Musou spin-offs.
 
fiendcode

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Avada Kedavra said:
If you want to equate PoPoLoCrois to Doraemon that's on you. That's like saying One Piece: Pirate Warriors and Arslan: The Warriors of Legend should have done the same because they're both Musou spin-offs.
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So which is One Piece and which is Heroic Legend Arslan in your match up? Here's the best sellers last gen for each:

[3DS] Doraemon: Nobita to Himitsu Dougu Hakubutsukan - 11.962 (61.014) 07/03/2013

[3DS] Return to PoPoLoCrois: A Story of Seasons Fairytale - 44.902 (78.166) 18/06/2015
 
Oregano

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Avada Kedavra said:
If you want to equate PoPoLoCrois to Doraemon that's on you. That's like saying One Piece: Pirate Warriors and Arslan: The Warriors of Legend should have done the same because they're both Musou spin-offs.
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Going by Game Data Library only one Doraemon game has ever sold 100k and that was the Famicom game in 1986. Popolocrois hasn't had a game cross 100k since 2002 but the PSP game(and the SoS game) have outsold every Doraemon game in the same timeframe.
 
Oregano

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Couldn't Granblue Re:Fantasy sell a million?

Or is the IP not that big?
 
hiska-kun

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Popolocrois is the best example for this Doraemon Harvest Moon comparison. Both are spin off collaborations of relative small franchise.
 

Avada Kedavra

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fiendcode said:
So which is One Piece and which is Heroic Legend Arslan in your match up? Here's the best sellers last gen for each:

[3DS] Doraemon: Nobita to Himitsu Dougu Hakubutsukan - 11.962 (61.014) 07/03/2013

[3DS] Return to PoPoLoCrois: A Story of Seasons Fairytale - 44.902 (78.166) 18/06/2015
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Doraemon is the highest-grossing film franchise in Japan history and 4-5m people go see the new movie every year. It's an immensely popular franchise among preschoolers. PopoloCrois is basically nothing in comparison. A performance similar to PopoloCrois is nothing I would ever consider great.
 
Bruno MB

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YSO are predicting Yo-kai Watch 4 first week sales and they expect a big bomba.

I know they have had more misses than hits lately (it has become tough to predict the Japanese market), but it is interesting to see what other sales agers expect, specially those that live in Japan and can gather more feedback.

Yo-kai Watch 4 (first week sales prediction)

180.000
130.000
130.000
125.000
120.000
117.500
110.000
101.000
100.000
100.000
100.000
96.000
95.000
90.000

Average 113.893
 

Avada Kedavra

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Jan 23, 2019
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Oregano said:
Going by Game Data Library only one Doraemon game has ever sold 100k and that was the Famicom game in 1986. Popolocrois hasn't had a game cross 100k since 2002 but the PSP game(and the SoS game) have outsold every Doraemon game in the same timeframe.
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The FuRyu Doraemon games are cheap mini-game collections. They exist solely for merchandising purposes, much-like cheap Activison licensed games. This Story of Seasons cross-over is a Story of Seasons game with characters and story from Doraemon. It has no reason not to appeal to the full Story of Seasons fanbase especially with the kind of production values the game is getting.
 
Zedark

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Bruno MB said:
YSO are predicting Yo-kai Watch 4 first week sales and they expect a big bomba.

I know they have had more misses than hits lately (it has become tough to predict the Japanese market), but it is interesting to see what other sales agers expect, specially those that live in Japan and can gather more feedback.

Yo-kai Watch 4 (first week sales prediction)

180.000
130.000
130.000
125.000
120.000
117.500
110.000
101.000
100.000
100.000
100.000
96.000
95.000
90.000

Average 113.893
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Wow, they expect 114k on average? That's almost half of what seems to be the consensus first week performance here. Hope it won't bomb like that, the game looks pretty good.
 
MegaXZero

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Bruno MB said:
YSO are predicting Yo-kai Watch 4 first week sales and they expect a big bomba.

I know they have had more misses than hits lately (it has become tough to predict the Japanese market), but it is interesting to see what other sales agers expect, specially those that live in Japan and can gather more feedback.

Yo-kai Watch 4 (first week sales prediction)

180.000
130.000
130.000
125.000
120.000
117.500
110.000
101.000
100.000
100.000
100.000
96.000
95.000
90.000

Average 113.893
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Hot damn, hope this franchise isn't that dead.
 
fiendcode

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Avada Kedavra said:
Doraemon is the highest-grossing film franchise in Japan history and 4-5m people go see the new movie every year. It's an immensely popular franchise among preschoolers. PopoloCrois is basically nothing in comparison. A performance similar to PopoloCrois is nothing I would ever consider great.
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And other than one Famicom game in the mid-80s none of the many Doraemon game has ever broken 100k. Even Popolocrois is a hotter current day gaming property looking at sales.

Good try though.

Avada Kedavra said:
The FuRyu Doraemon games are cheap mini-game collections. They exist solely for merchandising purposes, much-like cheap Activison licensed games. This Story of Seasons cross-over is a Story of Seasons game with characters and story from Doraemon. It has no reason not to appeal to the full Story of Seasons fanbase especially with the kind of production values the game is getting.
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There's also the Epoch games (including the 3 high end for the time N64 Mario clones) and the Sega games. Keep digging.
 
Pooroomoo

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Zedark said:
Wow, they expect 114k on average? That's almost half of what seems to be the consensus first week performance here. Hope it won't bomb like that, the game looks pretty good.
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I wouldn't call the consensus here a consensus, I think more than a few here have said they have no idea and are completely guessing.

Personally it's actually been my impression that non Nintendo games on Switch are not automatically doing better at all specifically in Japan (elsewhere yes). Some ARE, but it's nowhere like WW.
 
schuelma

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Pooroomoo said:
Personally it's actually been my impression that non Nintendo games on Switch are not automatically doing better at all specifically in Japan (elsewhere yes). Some ARE, but it's nowhere like WW.
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There really aren't a lot of high profile enough 3rd party games to even do a meaningful comparison.
 
Zedark

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Pooroomoo said:
I wouldn't call the consensus here a consensus, I think more than a few here have said they have no idea and are completely guessing.

Personally it's actually been my impression that non Nintendo games on Switch are not automatically doing better at all specifically in Japan (elsewhere yes). Some ARE, but it's nowhere like WW.
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Oh yeah, Japan hasn't been as successful with third party as western regions have, for sure (edit: although what Schuelma said is quite valid, too: there aren't actually big games that would perform well except for Minecraft, and plenty of games actually have been doing quite well, like the DB games. But it's not quite the performance that the West is showcasing). But YW4 decline, whether it's 225k or 114k, is not really due to that at all, it's more that the franchise has lost its appeal to the current young generation and is no longer trending for the former generation who are now quite a bit older. It's a shame they seemingly can't renew that interest.
 

Avada Kedavra

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fiendcode said:
And other than one Famicom game in the mid-80s none of the many Doraemon game has ever broken 100k. Even Popolocrois is a hotter current day gaming property looking at sales.

Good try though.


There's also the Epoch games (including the 3 high end for the time N64 Mario clones) and the Sega games. Keep digging.
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Are you really defining the popularity of Doraemon by looking at sales of licensed FuRyu shovelware? roflmao That's like being back in 2015 and saying Spider-Man isn't all that popular because the Activison games were selling poorly. Bad games result in bad sales, what's new.

Great try though.
 
fiendcode

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Avada Kedavra said:
Are you really defining the popularity of Doraemon by looking at sales of licensed FuRyu shovelware? roflmao That's like being back in 2015 and saying Spider-Man isn't all that popular because the Activison games were selling poorly. Bad games result in bad sales, what's new.

Great try though.
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No, I'm defining it by looking at game sales. There's more here than FuRyu to look at.

Everyone can see exactly what you're trying to do though.
 
Pooroomoo

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schuelma said:
There really aren't a lot of high profile enough 3rd party games to even do a meaningful comparison.
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Not comparing to PS4 or anything for that matter, just a general feel I got that there are less "miracles" in Japan than in the west (think Disgae 5 Switch's first weeks in Japan vs its western performance)
 
hiska-kun

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Avada Kedavra said:
The FuRyu Doraemon games are cheap mini-game collections. They exist solely for merchandising purposes, much-like cheap Activison licensed games. This Story of Seasons cross-over is a Story of Seasons game with characters and story from Doraemon. It has no reason not to appeal to the full Story of Seasons fanbase especially with the kind of production values the game is getting.
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The same can be said for Popolocrois, there was no reason not to appeal the SoS fanbase.

You are trying too hard.
 
Zedark

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Pooroomoo said:
Not comparing to PS4 or anything for that matter, just a general feel I got that there are less "miracles" in Japan than in the west (think Disgae 5 Switch's first weeks in Japan vs its western performance)
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Or YS VIII selling PS4 + Vita combined launch aligned in the West, despite being a late port. Things like that don't quite happen in Japan, I agree.
 
Mpl90

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To be fair, we're also ignoring a pretty big difference between Return to Popolocrois: A Story of Season Fairytale and Doraemon: Story of Seasons.

Popolocrois was not the first SoS game on the 3DS, while Doraemon is basically the first entry (even if not fully mainline) in the series to be released on Nintendo Switch.

Admidettly, it can be argued that Stardew Valley might've already attracted a good chunk of the SoS fanbase to the system.
 
Pooroomoo

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Avada Kedavra said:
Doesn't stop it from looking like the most ambitious Story of Seasons game in nearly two decades. They didn't spare any expenses because it's not mainline. The Doraemon crossover should make up for that.
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Am I the only one that this post and general insistence is giving a strong deja vu of a recent member that is no longer with us (for the umpteenth time)?
 
Oregano

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Mpl90 said:
To be fair, we're also ignoring a pretty big difference between Popolocrois: A Story of Season Fairytale and Doraemon: Story of Seasons.

Popolocrois was not the first SoS game on the 3DS, while Doraemon is basically the first entry (even if not fully mainline) in the series to be released on Nintendo Switch.

Admidettly, it can be argued that Stardew Valley might've already attracted a good chunk of the SoS fanbase to the system.
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It's also somewhat important to note that PoPoLoCrois despite being a license(an SIEJ one at that) was both developed and published by the core SoS team. Doraemon is from neither so the "core" fanbase aren't necessarily going to buy in, at least straight away.
 
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