Says who?
There's clearly a lot of people who upgraded from the base PS4. In fact everybody I know who owns a PS4 Pro had a PS4 prior.
There's clearly a lot of people who upgraded from the base PS4. In fact everybody I know who owns a PS4 Pro had a PS4 prior.
Exactly. And the Playstation brand doesn't really have a ton of momentum in Japan at the moment. People will end up buying it to play the latest MHW or FF or DQ or other big system seller in Japan, but I don't think a lot of people are going to rush out to spend money on a PS5 when there aren't any games that appeal to that market right now. Okay, it can play PS4 games, but so can a PS4 at a much lower cost. And that market is already saturated I'd think. If you wanted a PS4 you have one by now. A PS5 isn't going to move the needle
Even if you take that into account in Japan PS4 Pro has only 1.5m after three years which if anything proves the point that PS4 games will do very little to propel the PS5.
And they can and most likely will wait until 2022 for that.
But we could be proven wrong by an exclusive PS5 MHW2 or FFVIIR-2 or DQXII, still waiting for that announcement though.
So are you saying that the PS5 will not sell its initial launch of in Japan? Why would playing PS4 games on a PS4 matter to those who purchased a PS5? They get access to all late gen PS4 games, helping Sony and 3rd parties advertise to a new audience while waiting for the first big next gen titles to arrive, which from the likes of Capcom in RE8, is happening a lot sooner than the transition from PS3 to PS4 in Japan.
No? Where did I say that? My point is, that PS4 software won't push PS5 hardware.
It took the PS4 until 2016 to frequently outsell the PS3 SKUs. It depends on the titles obviously but there were still several games selling better on PS3 than PS4 in 2015.
I expect big Japanese 3rd parties to be quicker to transition this time around vs PS3 to PS4. That said, playstation systems have lost their mass appeal among the general and casual audiences and that is what gives software longer tails. So without a good amount of volume content and bigger system sellers there is no reason to assume PS5 will do better than PS4 in the start. Also we need to see the price.
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How many millions of units are we expecting to be available in Japan at launch?
I mean while it will not be main reason in anyway to buy PS5 it makes it a bit easier that it also will run all PS4 games. Especially as japanese publishers are usually pretty slow at transitioning to new gen and PS4 has huge library of games. I mean for example PS3 still got decent amount of sizable releases after PS4 launched and you could play those only with PS3. I think 3DS had better final year in the market than Nintendo consoles traditionally because Switch didn't have BC to it (well also because of price difference).
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So far the opposite is happening. If you exclude Capcom nobody is in hurry.
And they will buy PS5 for the PS5 titles, not PS4 titles that released a year, or half a year, or more before.
Since you are supposedly Japanese based on post history, you surely know how Sony gamers consume their games in Japan and the prevalence of Book Off used sales for these people.
Cross-gen games, as understood during the PS3 to PS4 transition, are not the same as BC games which DQ and Ryza will be when PS5 launches.
Your reference is PS2 games on PS3, or PS1 on PS2, which didn't really see much sales boost independent of the original system, even when PS3/PS2 has BC. Additionally, there has been no indication of long term system sellers on PS4, even the biggest game on PS4 ( MHW) had relatively short legs that will not be relevant in PS5 time.
Fairy Tail was just too late. The IP was popular, but this was years ago.
Good thing that Gust actually was proactively building an audience on Switch, as seen with the success with Atelier on the system, otherwise they would have been at a terrible state right now. Atelier Ryza 2 with its December 3rd Release Date is very well positioned to continue the success they had with the first one.
Good thing that Gust actually was proactively building an audience on Switch, as seen with the success with Atelier on the system, otherwise they would have been at a terrible state right now. Atelier Ryza 2 with its December 3rd Release Date is very well positioned to continue the success they had with the first one.
You asked why people would buy a PS5 to play PS4 games but whoever bought a PS4 Pro to play PS4 games, assuming they already owned a PS4, very well might be interested in the PS5 boost mode, so I'm just answering your question.
I'm sure everyone is eager to finally open all their documents on this new console! :P
No one said anything about millions. Do you think the PS5 will or will not sell its initial launch in Japan?
They weren't in a hurry last gen either. What makes you say the big players are looking to transition even slower?
I think it depends how much money Sony will pay to push them for ps5
The insider said ff16 was aimed cross gen but now next gen and will release before project athia
I'm sure they'll push demon slayer for ps5 as well even though that's a different department
It's kinda impossible for it not to unless you think the console will sell Xbox numbers.
Why are you guys even humouring that question? What was the last system in Japan to not sell its launch shipment? Its a disingenuous question. When has launch ever mattered?
When even the Wii U sold its initial launch shipment, you have to be desperate to think it's a sign of anything to sell the launch shipment.
I guess, but I meant more to a notable/significant extent.
SE themselves said they aren't planning on releasing next gen exclusives anytime soon, so it's possible they announce the next FF relatively soon, but it's probably years off from releasing.
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Speaking exclusively for the big Japanese third parties, the more active userbase of PS4 buying software comparing to PS3. What I meant is that they won't be faster not that they'll be even slower
Lol, what? Can you tell us how many PS4 Pro have been sold in Japan?
As others have said, PS5 will sell mainly based on its exclusives. Some of you are in for a rough awakening come January.
I'm just posting what the insider said.
She is verified by Transistor
Obviously it can be far from release
How's ps5 performance in Japan in media create thread a derailment
I'm expecting an announcement. I just think the game isn't all that close unless it ends up being crossgen somehow lol.
We don't even know pricing details and Japanese games to talk about it meaningfully.
It's the same as the usual MHSwitch talk or DQXII platform talk.
That game released too late. What was good about the DS/PSP/3DS era was publishers could crank out a game during or shortly after the first season, when the excitement is fresh.
Ghost of Tsushima was completely sold out. It sold what it was shipped. This week is starting to look better with the new stock. We'll see if it holds until the weekend.
How many game released, after Wii u launched were BC
People here are discussing games which will be playable on ps5 releasing after ps5 launches
Game releasing next year like demon slayer will be pushed like cross gen games
The reality check will be quite brutal next generation. As of what is currently known and hinted at PS5 isn't doing anything special compared to PS4, therefore a turnaround of current trends in Japan are simply wishful thinking based on hopes and dreams. By that I mean over the whole upcoming generation and not that PS5 will sell at current end of life weekly PS4 sales. There is simply a limit to what 3rd Party IPs in decline can achieve, as seen with PS4 practically having the most important Japanese IPs on Board, even Dragon Quest and YoukaiWatch...
PS4 had an abysmal first couple years in Japan, so it won't be too apparent in the beginning to everyone, but the overall trend is further generational decline, that started with PS3.
PS4 had an abysmal first couple years in Japan, so it won't be too apparent in the beginning to everyone, but the overall trend is further generational decline, that started with PS3.
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"most"?
Year, I'm not against you, but you know when a game on a hardware sells 1m in its first week the hardware sales is like 0.15m.
Some buy those at the same time.
Some buy the hardware a bit earlier.
Some buy the hardware just after the game announcement.
Some buy the hardware based on their arbitrary prediction.
If a person think he will buy PS5 sooner or later, new PS4 games make him easier to choose "sooner" and he could play games with newer console.
Point is, people won't buy very expensive consoles for PS4 games in Japan. Even more so when those games are available on the Switch, a platform everyone will own in Japan.
Thanks. Shame that with Sony titles (and well pretty much all non-Nintendo titles) we don't know how many went with digital because of shortages. I would assume the digital split must be rather high.
so PS5 will sell 1.5 millions in three years in Japan
am I right?
Every game launched on Wii before and after Wii U came.out is BC on Wii U. The Wii HW is literally included in the Wii U HW, much like PS1 BC with PS2 or DS BC with 3DS. I can't believe someone this uninformed is shitting up the thread.
Once again, a cross gen game is not the same as a BC game. A BC game can be played with better hardware with some perks but is still one SKU, while crossgen Games are literally two SKUs where the consumer makes a choice between platforms. The purchae choices are fundamentally different.
Fairy Tail might unironically be a case of "The West will save it":
The manga has 72m units in print as of February 2020. Around 30m of that is from the rest of the world. That's about 40% of non-japanese sales. Unless I'm mistaken, this is the highest ratio RotW/Japan for a manga, ever.
The IP is still somewhat popular. Its final season was still airing last year. In France, the manga was the 3rd best-selling manga of 2019, despite not having a single new volume released, behind One Piece and My Hero Academia, and above Naruto (which didn't have a new volume either)
Thinking about it, "The West" might just be France.
Animal Crossing is just insane. I thought 8 million predictions before it came out where pretty far out but that seems to be a done deal at this point. At retail the game could be well over 7 million at the end of the year. 6 million doesn't even seem that far off. Where does it stand on the best selling games in Japan list now retail and retail+digital?
Is it normal for games to be sold through lotteries? Seems like Ring Fit has been only attainable from lotteries for such a long time.
Is it normal for games to be sold through lotteries? Seems like Ring Fit has been only attainable from lotteries for such a long time.
Geez maybe try understanding what I'm trying to say ?
There are decent game left on ps4 next year which will be playable on ps5.
Maybe instead of using BC , they might release an sku for communication purpose
The average person isn't going to be an early adopter, which is why I said "most".
The two games mentioned by the person who started this argument were Ryza 2 and DQXIS. Ryza 1 sold 70k on PS4 and this is the 4th SKU of DQXI, including one already on the PS4. Neither of those games are moving hardware.