VC4 sold over 1 million units. I don't think the same is true for Sakura Wars.
Pokémon and Splatoon respectively need to ship another 150k and 420k units worldwide this fiscal year for us to get updated domestic shipments data. Sword/Shield will obviously make it by the next earnings release, Splat might wait until Christmas' though.
Ceiling is mostly unknown, it could potentially go higher than that and reach base Wii Fit level (3.6m). Hard to know, what's certain is that it won't stay below 2m for too long.
If it would reach 3.6m in japan, i can see it doing 10m ww. That for a 80€ (here in Germany) game.
Is the only thing of any importance for the PS5 planned for this holiday Spider-Man: Miles Morales? Like, any game that would move systems, be it third party or not. Not even CoD seems to be a guarantee this year.
Can't even see that helping.
If having all the big third party Japanese games backing you still can't push a system then what else can?
Godfall. Did you not see how long they spent on it in the SOP?
Haha..yeah..i looked at the sales again...you and PillFencer are right. Right now its at 1.5m in japan alone. It will so 3m easily.
166k retail for Shin Sakura Wars on PS4 in Japan.
70k retail for VC4 on PS4 in Japan. 5k retail for VC4 on Switch in Japan.
So, pretty damn big improvement for that team in terms of Japanese sales, which is what this thread is all about.
I was mostly referring to the lack of a PC version, but OK
You think going from PS4/Switch/Xbox/PC to PS4 only isn't weird because of like 90k sales in Japan?
If this wasn't the Japanese sales thread then I would agree with you. I'm hoping Shin Sakura Wars comes to PC soon myself.
But anyone who thinks of Sakura Wars as a bomb in Japan is not very bright. There is a difference between underperforming and bombing in sales. VC4 bombed hard in Japan. The same team then released something that more than doubled VC4's sales in Japan, though it still underperformed per SEGA.
That would be chalked up to the IP more than anything. Sega considering it underperforming despite selling better than VC4 is not lost on me.
Sakura Wars did way better in Japan than VC4 did, hence in terms of Japanese sales it was a better use of that team. The same dev team made VC4 and Shin Sakura Wars if you didn't know. That may be the source of your confusion.
Ok. But given the marketing push..wasn't that expected? Again, what is your point?
EDIT- Or are you trying to argue a Switch version would not have been beneficial?
They're asking what the point of that is in regards to Sega deciding to scale back from console multiplatform to just PS4/PC.
I would have thought with them going PS4 only they had some kind of big push in the West. Instead they just...dropped it there and called it a day. The anime came and went without any noticeable boost in sales. Somehow it became a media project bomb and I'm wondering what exactly their plan was.
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There's no PC either, the game underperformed everywhere.
The game didn't have a dub, so I'm not sure what happened there unless they just didn't have confidence that it would be worth doing.
The anime was also weird because it was a sequel to the game.
Fairy Tale was a missed shot. Came out like 2-3 years too late to make a big splash. Will be curious to see if it preforms better in the west.
Yeah, I'm aware of the silliness that has gone on in these threads over the years.
It's just funny/pathetic that a handful of posters are so offended because you're relaying facts. It's like a Nintendo/Microsoft fanperson going into an Eastern European sales thread and trying their hardest to distort the reality of a Playstation-dominated market by making petty and baseless digs at the guy posting the numbers.
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If it wasn't supposed to sell on PS4 you don't limit its userbase. Nagoshi at its interviews made it sound like a big deal.
Are you talking hypothetically or realistically?
Because I assume it was meant to notably outperform the game that put the series on ice for over a decade.
I definitely think expectations were higher, even from Sega themselves but realistically it probably did all it was going to.
I would add that Chris did not mince words during the Wii U era.
So with 200k+ including digital, it definitely outperformed Sakura Taisen V's 150k, right?
Deciding to wear an outfit like that...
...that's quite a Kermittment
So like in actual units, is that 300k? 400k? This is a genuine question, I have no idea besides hearing the game super bombed/sorta under performed.
I'm talking as someone who genuinely doesn't know what success was suppose to be for the game. Not saying it underperformed or met expectations, I'm asking how did people decide what success for it looked like?
So what you said makes sense. It didn't outperform the last entry that iced it. That's problematic.
The plan with Sakura Wars was always a weird one.
The franchise was only ever truly popular in the late 90's on the Saturn. It did not make waves at all on PS2 or Wii. The most relevant it has been in the past ten years was a major cameo in the two Project X Zone games.
The new one doesn't launch with the anime to lead it in, instead having it come out with enough room for the game to flop around.
Honestly, it being PS4 only is the least baffling part of it. Sony probably just helped fund some of it somewhere in the production chain of the game/anime/or both. The real head scratcher is why it was ever made in the first place.
The franchise was only ever truly popular in the late 90's on the Saturn. It did not make waves at all on PS2 or Wii. The most relevant it has been in the past ten years was a major cameo in the two Project X Zone games.
The new one doesn't launch with the anime to lead it in, instead having it come out with enough room for the game to flop around.
Honestly, it being PS4 only is the least baffling part of it. Sony probably just helped fund some of it somewhere in the production chain of the game/anime/or both. The real head scratcher is why it was ever made in the first place.
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From what I remember from NPD and PAL threads it barely charted at some countries.
going by Game Data library, the last game (the one that put the series on ice) did 145K, while Shin Sakura Wars did 166K+whatever digital is. the game also didn't perform too hot in the west
This has the chart of the Sakura War games first weeks when this latest one debuted. Looking further at Gamedatalibrary life times, 2 did 500k, 1 and 3 did above 300k, and 4 did above 250k
It did but probably not to the extent they were hoping, especially considering they got Tite Kubo as the artist.
So a bad performance in the West plus an underwhelming Japanese showing it seems. Assumption is probably that the series is again on ice?
Okay, that's helpful. Thanks for the context. It's good to see it listed out.
I assume that's an expensive artist?
They trademarked or whatever another game name or something, so I guess they will give it another shot. But I imagine there has to be a change in plans compared to this one.
Guy behind Bleach.
Reality is it outsold VC4 by almost 100k copies. That's reality. That's data. That's fact. The game underperformed. It did not tank or bomb like VC4 did in Japan.
VC4 is irrelevant. It being a worse bomb didn't mean SW isn't one.
The performance of the game that the dev made immediately before the one in question is not irrelevant whatsoever. Do you actually have any iota of a salient argument?
It surpassed the 5th game of the series. It brought back an IP that was dead for 15 years.
Did it underperform per SEGA? Yes. We are in agreement there.
Put up an argument for why it "bombed" in Japan.
ST is a far bigger IP than VC, at it's height selling over twice as much as VC's height. Both are bombs that basically scaled accordingly to that but are still relative bombs.
SW barely outselling ST5, to end up the 2nd worst selling game in the entire main series, isn't some measure of success either. Your crusade to reframe the performance here isn't fooling anyone but next time at least try not to insult other posters in the process.
This year no. But 2021 is likely going to have Elden Ring and Tales. Probably in the early part of the year since that's been the trend for big Japanese games for the last few years.
200k+ vs 150k is not barely. That's selling over 25% more. With a 20% digital split it's closer to Sakura Taisen 4 in sales than Sakura Taisen 5.
Your use of "barely" is amusing to me.
Sakura Taisen was the far bigger IP 20 years ago on the Saturn/Dreamcast. Valkyria Chronicles was the far bigger IP in the last decade with 5 games released on PS3/PSP/PS4/Switch
VC was the only IP in the last decade, but only with new 3 games (all under 200k) and none on PS3. ST is by a wide margin the bigger IP period though, and no even with 20% digital rate SW (166k packaged) sold closer to ST5 (145k) than ST4 (277k). Perhaps you think SW isn't a bomb because you don't actually know how these titles each sold.
Look what we have here, too bad they merged the treads. The comments are funny as hell
Game Data Library shows Sakura Taisen 4 sales at 257k. As far as I can tell there's only one SKU for it as no reprint or budget rerelease is listed. What listing(s) for ST4 do you see selling 20k to add to 277k total?