So around 3 Million?
How much did they expect for ARMS? We know it ended getting more support than originally intended. Plus, Yabuki is still enthusiastic about it. And I believe Imran told us to not discard a potential sequel.
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Media Create Sales: Week 36, 2019 (Sep 02 - Sep 08)
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So around 3 Million?
How much did they expect for ARMS? We know it ended getting more support than originally intended. Plus, Yabuki is still enthusiastic about it. And I believe Imran told us to not discard a potential sequel.
Franchises with a mainstream appeal did grow, it is true.
However (hard)core franchises like Metroid Prime, Fire Emblem declined. Both were sequels to Gamecube games that a large portion of the Wii userbase didn't play.
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What we know for Arms is that a major development team was behind it, it got hig push from Nintendo and ended being one of the lowest selling first party titles with tiny legs.
It would also end up unfavorably against current gen so that is moot really :p. I dont think it matters to be honest.. timing, promotion and Most importantly ofc a great product is more important factors.
It sold according to its genre expectations though, as you stated. SF and Tekken aren't that above it in sales, despite being pushed even harder by their companies.
In any case, there's no proof whatsoever Nintendo was disappointed by it, especially going by Yabuki's interviews and the prolonged support. It's just that we keep bringing up Splatoon and the MK team for no reason, as if they're not allowed to make less than 10 Million-selling successes.
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Very interested to see how YS IX will perform.
It launches September 26th alongside many games, we'll see how hard the transition to PS4 only will be for NF.
It launches September 26th alongside many games, we'll see how hard the transition to PS4 only will be for NF.
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What makes Tekken and Street Fighter genre standards and not Dragon Ball and Mortal Kombat. A simple port of Pokken from Wii U sold similar to Arms on Switch.
Splatoon and Mario Kart team keep mentioned for a reason. One found success at a failed console and showed its real potential on Switch. The other didn't find a similar audience at the same successful system with no guarantee a potential sequel will do something drastic different at sales.
Just the ports we know about already. They also plugged a PSN sale and a credit card.
That really sounds like a waste of time ans even insulting
Oh yeah. Also someone found a tweet showing the crowd size was pretty big for the panel. Looks like a lot of people got screwed on that one.
I think that we live in the right time for Metroid Prime 4. People now love souls games and metroidvania. It just needs to be good and have the right marketing.
Yeah I have to agree with Chris here. Why are you pointing to Tekken and SF? There is DBFZ and Xenoverse, there is Super Smash Brothers, there is Mortal Kombat, there is Injustice which all sold way the fuck above 2m copies. Instead of ARMs that team could have made something else more successful. Lets say they were fine with ARMs sales. Is there any reason to think in a more competitive environment next year ARMs 2 breaks out? I don't think so. Not only was it a mild success, I don't see any room for growth either.
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There won't be anything surprising to see. They moved from PS4/Vita to just PS4, the drop will be big.
More characteres, more story, more modes, more mechanics...
Does this mean more sales? I don't think the gameplay of ARMS is enticing enough that adding more shit will make people want in.
People are pointing towards to tekken and such because its a 3D fighter which can attract a different audience entirely. It's also still a new IP so its not like people are expecting it to instantly dethrone tekken or soul calibur
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Well, I think the same thing about Metroid Prime and "but now is HD, not like Wii" that's why this discussion.
I mean, single player content is proven to be key to successful fighters
There's that stupid shit again.
"Fuck you 2D Mario team. Go make a new 2D Mario instead of Pikmin 4 you bastards."
"Look at those Wii numberrrrrssssss..."
Did they delist a game?? Less than nothing means that they would take something back :P ;)
That was tongue in cheek but that psn segment was funny in a surreal way
They spent more time talking about PS4 on a Switch event, that counts in my book.
If they had delisted DMC2, I think everyone would have come out of the panel happier.
Actually, a decent story mode could be key, since you would be attracting the group that's not there just for multiplayer. Many say it's the reason Injustice and MK are doing so well.
Heck. Splatoon got praised for its story mode and it's likely to have helped the game's perception.
The worst part is that we should discuss the lost sales potential in Metroid Prime 4 with respect to a new Donkey Kong Country, an IP without doubt more successful.
Good thing Nintendo is known for working on tweaking gameplay before everything.
Meaty single-player content would help too.
If it was my money, I wouldn't waste it giving more budget to an ARMS sequel compared to suggesting they simply try another new IP in a different genre or work on an established IP. If the 2D Mario team is making Pikmin 4 instead of a new 2D Mario, it's because there are expectations for Pikmin 4 to sell a fuck ton of copies. Opportunity cost is a thing, not everything is just "I wanna I wanna I wanna".
Or you think the games are funded out of dreams an fairy dust?
We'll have to see what MP4 is before we can tell. Minimally though, I think the series has more potential on something like the Switch which sells a fuck ton more software than the Gamecube. For ARMS, it literally launched during the first year of the Switch where everything had enormous sales and it had weak legs for a Nintendo big production.
Did they? Honestly wondering. According to Gematsu, the Switch "adult masterpiece" was a 1 hour and 5 minute segment of a 6 hour and 45 minute long event in total. What PS4 stuff did they talk about during the Switch segment?
Less is more? :P
Seeing most of the reviews out there I think this opinion is very subjective. Almost all agree that the core gameplay is very fun but the game had very little content.
If we look for a pattern in Xenoverse, Smash Bros, Injustice and Mortal Kombat is the single player content.
I mean, that team went from NSMBWii/2/U to Pikmin 3.
Pikmin barely gets over the one million mark, yet it does well-enough to get spin-offs on 3DS and everything (with 4 yet to come). And I wouldn't say they are low-budget games either.
I like the way you think. I was hoping it would be announced by now, but I can wait
Yep, I wonder how much YSVIII PS4 owners were double dippers too since the game launched later.
I can't say that I am sorry for them since it is the strategy they willingly chose.
Because that's up to TPC to decide?
Pokemon usage in spin-offs is weird.
It was obvious from the context I meant that retail legs are cut off by used sales and digital sales. If you understood differently than it's because you didn't really want to understand anyway. Also I gave proof and examples of digital ratio after my post. And I never said that 30-40% is the average. I said it was common and gave examples. And digital ratio increasing of 5% on average a year is still true (4.6% to be exact) but it appears that in Japan it's following a different yearly pattern which I can't explain at all. But what matters is that from 2017 to 2018 the ratio increased of 4% and indicates that retail sales are becoming increasingly irrelevant as times go by and that's really the only point I was making.