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Michael Cohen testifies on Capitol Hill (over)

Oct 25, 2017
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Who else thinks Trump spent more time in the last few days focused on this than on the North Korea summit?
I'm pretty sure the Cohen testimony was on his mind the ENTIRE time. I wouldn't be surprised if he bitched about it to Kim Jung Un, who then replied, "Why don't you just kill him? That's what I would do."
 
Oct 27, 2017
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I'm pretty sure the Cohen testimony was on his mind the ENTIRE time. I wouldn't be surprised if he bitched about it to Kim Jung Un, who then replied, "Why don't you just kill him? That's what I would do."
I have almost no doubt that, behind closed doors, Kim probably made a joke like this, and Trump sighed and said, "Man, your country is so much better than mine..."
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Jun 28, 2018
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Whoa... Was this posted as a separate thread too? Would have not known about this had I not randomly decided to come back to this thread. Needs its own thread IMO.
I thought someone posted one, maybe not? I know there was one for Weisselberg and one for Sater, two other headlines from recent post-Cohen news.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Bouncing around various op-eds this morning (nothing amazing so far if you've been following along), however this stuck out to me. I've heard it before but not in direct comparison.

Donald Trump has a new fixer: House Republicans
Republican congresswoman Carol Miller complained about Congress wasting time and taxpayer money for this hearing. At 28 months, Republicans spent more time investigating the Benghazi attack than they did the 9/11 terror attacks, Watergate and the JFK assassination all to undermine then secretary of state Clinton and Obama.
I decided to look it up to get the actual numbers and while the specific dates of formation and dissolve are not always straight forward it is pretty clear Republicans, particularly those who have held office in the past decade, don't have a damned leg to stand on in terms of wasteful investigations. They are full of shit and rely on people not bothering to do an ounce of work to call them on their bullshit. The closest is the combined investigation of the assassinations of JFK and MLK Jr. from which you can infer the Republicans believe Benghazi was an event requiring this level of scrutiny.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_House_Select_Committee_on_Benghazi
Duration 31 months, 4 days (I believe the 28 months often cited is likely using the date of the first hearing, rather than when the committee was formed)
Formed May 8, 2014
Dissolved December 12, 2016

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_Commission
Duration: 20 months, 25 days
Formed
November 27, 2002
Dissolved August 21, 2004

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_House_Select_Committee_on_Assassinations
Duration: 27 months, 30 days (30 months, using date of Report)
Formed
September, 1976
Dissolved December 31, 1978 (I was not able to find a more concrete date for completing the investigation than the year so I used a very generous end of year date. If you use the date of the report, MARCH 29, 1979, it still comes out at 30 months, under the full time frame of Benghazi formation to dissolve.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_Watergate_Committee
Duration: 16 months, 20 days
Formed
February 7, 1973
Dissolved June 27, 1974
 
Oct 27, 2017
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I’m still of the opinion that if trump goes down for treason, and that is a big if, all the GOP members that actively tried to protect him need to be removed.

They actively participated in protecting him. That should be enough.
 
Jul 25, 2018
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I’m still of the opinion that if trump goes down for treason, and that is a big if, all the GOP members that actively tried to protect him need to be removed.

They actively participated in protecting him. That should be enough.
Just imagine the outrage if Obama sided with Putin, Kim and Saudi leaders instead of US intel, and praised them publicly constantly while shitting on our allies and NATO. Pre-2016 GOP and Fox would be apoplectic. It is shocking the lengths they'll go to carry water for someone like that, just in the name of Party > Country.
 
Jul 25, 2018
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Bouncing around various op-eds this morning (nothing amazing so far if you've been following along), however this stuck out to me. I've heard it before but not in direct comparison.

Donald Trump has a new fixer: House Republicans


I decided to look it up to get the actual numbers and while the specific dates of formation and dissolve are not always straight forward it is pretty clear Republicans, particularly those who have held office in the past decade, don't have a damned leg to stand on in terms of wasteful investigations. They are full of shit and rely on people not bothering to do an ounce of work to call them on their bullshit. The closest is the combined investigation of the assassinations of JFK and MLK Jr. from which you can infer the Republicans believe Benghazi was an event requiring this level of scrutiny.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_House_Select_Committee_on_Benghazi
Duration 31 months, 4 days (I believe the 28 months often cited is likely using the date of the first hearing, rather than when the committee was formed)
Formed May 8, 2014
Dissolved December 12, 2016

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_Commission
Duration: 20 months, 25 days
Formed
November 27, 2002
Dissolved August 21, 2004

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_House_Select_Committee_on_Assassinations
Duration: 27 months, 30 days (30 months, using date of Report)
Formed
September, 1976
Dissolved December 31, 1978 (I was not able to find a more concrete date for completing the investigation than the year so I used a very generous end of year date. If you use the date of the report, MARCH 29, 1979, it still comes out at 30 months, under the full time frame of Benghazi formation to dissolve.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_Watergate_Committee
Duration: 16 months, 20 days
Formed
February 7, 1973
Dissolved June 27, 1974
"Everybody thought Hillary Clinton was unbeatable, right?" McCarthy had said. "But we put together a Benghazi special committee, a select committee. What are her numbers today? Her numbers are dropping."
 
Oct 25, 2017
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If trump were to go down for treason, those that actively protected him shouldn’t be punished? Remember, the gop has tried hiding all of trump’s criminal shit for 2 years now. They should absolutely be punished if shit gets to that point.
What should happen and what's within the realm of reasonable possibility are two very very different things.
 
Dec 4, 2018
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Even if it may not happen, when the time comes, ask for punishment for those who sided with traitors and criminals. We didn't do the same in Italy after the war and it ended up biting us in the ass. Don't make the same mistake, don't support "social peace" or " unity"; people who kidnap children and let people die without healthcare aren't normal criminals, they're war criminals.
 
Jul 25, 2018
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Huff/YouGov survey after the Cohen public hearing.

48% think Trump is a racist, and 17% are unsure. That's incredible. Could you have imagined 5, 10, 20 years ago having a PotuS that so many people see as a racist?

50% think Trump has committed financial fraud, 23% are unsure. Almost none who think so are Republicans, despite the mountain of evidence (which I guess they never see...)

21% think Cohen's actions were "an isolated incident not related to the Trump administration". Not surprisingly, that's mostly Republicans believing the garbage from Fox/Huckaliar.

https://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com/athena/files/2019/03/01/5c796b03e4b033abd14b6145.pdf
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Even if it may not happen, when the time comes, ask for punishment for those who sided with traitors and criminals. We didn't do the same in Italy after the war and it ended up biting us in the ass. Don't make the same mistake, don't support "social peace" or " unity"; people who kidnap children and let people die without healthcare aren't normal criminals, they're war criminals.
Seriously. Fucking sick of shit like Obama not wanting to prosecute anybody involved in torture saying we needed to move past it. Infuriated me and basically tells the next guy they can get away with shit out of a sense of civility.
 

stew

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Dec 2, 2017
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Michael Cohen implicated Trump in at least 11 different felonies (Vice)

I quoted the first paragraph for each felony, the article goes into more depth.

Potential evidence in a Russia conspiracy case
Cohen introduced new information linking Trump and his campaign to a possible criminal conspiracy relating to the hacked Democratic emails that were stolen by Russian spies and released by WikiLeaks before the 2016 election.
Lying to Mueller
Cohen’s story about Trump’s conversation with Stone also contradicts what Trump reportedly told Mueller in writing. Trump’s legal team reportedly rejected Mueller’s request for an interview with the president, and instead responded to the Special Counsel’s questions in a letter.
Suborning perjury
Cohen said Wednesday that Trump implicitly told him to lie to Congress under oath about attempts to develop a Trump Tower in Moscow in the midst of the 2016 presidential campaign — a move that could potentially constitute the crime of suborning perjury.
Campaign finance violations
Cohen said his former boss directed him to organize hush-money payments during the campaign to women who claimed that they’d slept with Trump.
Election fraud
Cohen said Trump knew exactly what he was giving Cohen money for: to silence the women and keep voters from finding out about Trump’s affairs.
Insurance fraud
Cohen also alleged that Trump made false claims to insurance companies by inflating the size of his assets, a move that Cohen said would have allowed him to reduce his premiums.
Witness tampering
Cohen and Democrats in Congress have accused Trump of attempting to intimidate him out of testifying against Trump by making threats against Cohen’s family.
Bank fraud
Cohen said Trump inflated his wealth while seeking to borrow money from Deutsche Bank in a failed attempt to buy the Buffalo Bills in 2014.
Tax fraud
Cohen also said Trump “deflated his assets to reduce his real estate taxes.”
Financial disclosure
Trump may have broken the law by failing to disclose the money he owed Cohen for making the hush-money payment to Stormy Daniels.
Misusing charitable funds
Cohen said Trump used his charity’s money to buy a painting of himself — a potentially improper misuse of charitable funds.
 
Jul 25, 2018
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Michael Cohen implicated Trump in at least 11 different felonies (Vice)

I quoted the first paragraph for each felony, the article goes into more depth.

Potential evidence in a Russia conspiracy case


Lying to Mueller


Suborning perjury


Campaign finance violations


Election fraud


Insurance fraud


Witness tampering


Bank fraud


Tax fraud


Financial disclosure


Misusing charitable funds
Lock him up. And then fix the Constitution so this farce doesn't happen again, where someone can break the law to become PotuS, then is not only shielded from arrest and prosecution once there, they can also witness tamper, obstruct justice and stack courts. It's banana republic stuff.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Even if it may not happen, when the time comes, ask for punishment for those who sided with traitors and criminals. We didn't do the same in Italy after the war and it ended up biting us in the ass. Don't make the same mistake, don't support "social peace" or " unity"; people who kidnap children and let people die without healthcare aren't normal criminals, they're war criminals.
Don't the crimes need to be part of a war for them to be war crimes?
 
Oct 29, 2017
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Did anything ever come out from the closed days?
Only reactions from some, but clearly more bombshells were dropped in there and they were definitely able to get more into the gritty details instead of wasting time with the aplomb theatrics of recalcitrant GOP members.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...ear-investigate-trumps-bank-and-deals/583996/
The House Intelligence Committee, meanwhile, plans to have Cohen back for a second closed-door interview on March 6. To say the panel learned something new from the president’s longtime personal lawyer behind closed doors “would be an understatement,” Democratic Representative Eric Swalwell of California, who sits on the committee, told CNN on Thursday, adding that “there’s very valuable new leads that we learned.”

And Senator Mark Warner of Virginia, the vice-chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, told reporters following Cohen’s closed-door testimony earlier this week that the Russia investigation “may be the most important thing I’m involved in in my public life in the Senate. Nothing I heard today dissuades me from that view.”
 
Oct 29, 2017
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Nunes already told the WH everything. I'm surprised he's still on that committee.
And here is what McCabe says about this in the book: "Now that the Gang of Eight was a crowd of two dozen in the room, I thought, the chance of this not getting back to the president was basically zero. Then Devin Nunes walked in, and the chance was less than zero."

Considering the FBI and Dems knew that members of the GOP were utterly compromised even in the early days, I do wonder how much of an impact it has had on investigations.
 

BMW

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Oct 25, 2017
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And here is what McCabe says about this in the book: "Now that the Gang of Eight was a crowd of two dozen in the room, I thought, the chance of this not getting back to the president was basically zero. Then Devin Nunes walked in, and the chance was less than zero."

Considering the FBI and Dems knew that members of the GOP were utterly compromised even in the early days, I do wonder how much of an impact it has had on investigations.
Yep, yet he is still doing his thing.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Only reactions from some, but clearly more bombshells were dropped in there and they were definitely able to get more into the gritty details instead of wasting time with the aplomb theatrics of recalcitrant GOP members.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...ear-investigate-trumps-bank-and-deals/583996/
I wonder if GOP members even say anything during those closed door meetings. They realize nothing they say there will be broadcast on Fox, and they realize there's no audience watching to be brainwashed by shouting, so is there even a point to participating? They're more interested in theater and a closed door sessions offers them none of that.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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I wonder if GOP members even say anything during those closed door meetings. They realize nothing they say there will be broadcast on Fox, and they realize there's no audience watching to be brainwashed by shouting, so is there even a point to participating? They're more interested in theater and a closed door sessions offers them none of that.
Are they participating? Remember one of the GOP members mentioned never having heard of Cohen until Wednesday.

....yes I know they’re actually participating
 
Jul 25, 2018
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What Cohen should have said to Jim Jordan after he spent several minutes angrily calling Cohen a liar and talking down to him:

"You clearly have strong morals and ethics, sir. A pity they were absent at Ohio State."
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Are they participating? Remember one of the GOP members mentioned never having heard of Cohen until Wednesday.

....yes I know they’re actually participating
You joke, but is there even any requirement for them to show up? The best they can do is run interference and try to kill time during questioning, since they're only interested in derailing an investigation, not resolving one. I imagine most of them have better things to do, so you might be right. They might just bail.
 
Oct 29, 2017
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Yep, yet he is still doing his thing.
Nunes probably has the most to worry about than any other GOP politician due to him being an active member on Trump's election team and then his absolute treasonous behavior in 2017 and early 2018 (same in the senate for Burr). His time will come and I await Schiff grilling this bastard in their committee once the dominoes really start dropping.

You joke, but is there even any requirement for them to show up? The best they can do is run interference and try to kill time during questioning, since they're only interested in derailing an investigation, not resolving one. I imagine most of them have better things to do, so you might be right. They might just bail.
I wish I could remember who it was, it may have been Eric Swalwell, but in an interview on MSNBC or CNN following the closed hearings, they said that the GOP members that were in there were far more behaved and not angling for Fox News soundbites so they were able to get a lot more done and things went by much more swiftly.
So the GOP is still involved, but their theatrics seem to be far more muted in closed sessions.
 

BMW

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Oct 25, 2017
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Nunes probably has the most to worry about than any other GOP politician due to him being an active member on Trump's election team and then his absolute treasonous behavior in 2017 and early 2018 (same in the senate for Burr). His time will come and I await Schiff grilling this bastard in their committee once the dominoes really start dropping.



I wish I could remember who it was, it may have been Eric Swalwell, but in an interview on MSNBC or CNN following the closed hearings, they said that the GOP members that were in there were far more behaved and not angling for Fox News soundbites so they were able to get a lot more done and things went by much more swiftly.
So the GOP is still involved, but their theatrics seem to be far more muted in closed sessions.
Indeed but in the meantime, he's still privy to confidential information. Nunes recently said that everything about Muellers investigation should become public including sources and methods.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Nunes probably has the most to worry about than any other GOP politician due to him being an active member on Trump's election team and then his absolute treasonous behavior in 2017 and early 2018 (same in the senate for Burr). His time will come and I await Schiff grilling this bastard in their committee once the dominoes really start dropping.
I can only see him continuing to operate the way he does because he's in a state of denial. Any reasonable human being without blinders on, looking at the way the rest of the chips are going to fall, should realize that continuing to run interference now, especially if it's violating laws, is just building up to more charges on the day of reckoning. The fact that he's acting like that's not going to happen means he's probably a psychopath, and it hasn't even occurred to him that he's not untouchable.