Nope.So if I make a single console and game and sell it to myself, I'll have 100% player engagement in this market.
The less I sell, the more I gain. Success by reduction. Am I doing it right?
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/investor/earnings/FY-2018-Q3/press-release-webcastYou mentioned "income". Again, please link me with where I can find that "income" report.
It does because it completely changes the implication of your statement: "What nadella said is an explanation to investors of why income of the division increased this quarter without a dramatic increase in hardware sales". If it referred to net income then I would have to agree with you and the discussion ends there because, yes that would mean MS is very successful in what they are doing. If it's just revenue, then it goes back to everything else, that it's a meaningless metric on its own, and you're just guessing same as everyone else.https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/investor/earnings/FY-2018-Q3/press-release-webcast
Maybe I should have said revenue or gross income instead of income, but I don't know if it have much to do with the questions I was answering to you.
They want developers to use Azure. Makes sense from a business perspective. Include Azure in your Playfab & Havok pricing and you are going to control a large portion of the market.
How do you even know that the subscriber numbers are growing when we don't even know the numbers on any of these things.
This seems like a nice way of saying 'we haven't achieved the market penetration of our competitors, and the demographic breadth that implies'.
I mean it's a true point that they're at probably the higher-value end of a console's market penetration, so on average 'engagement' would be higher, but if Sony segmented their audience, they'd probably find in absolute terms a group as large or larger that are equally high-engagement. Averages can mask a multitude of detail.
Nintendo ought to be at a similar stage of 'high-engagement'/hardcore market adoption with Switch, but maybe the demo is slightly different there, or maybe he's not even thinking of the Switch.
Anyway, for investors, there is maybe a point there. But I think they'd be more happy to take returns from less 'engaged' customers.also, if MS could reach them, regardless of whether those returns are a bit lower per user.
No, it doesn't make a difference on this subject. He needs to explain why revenue grow, how is he planning to keep growing, and why is he spending more on the gaming division. It's all part of the same subject.It does because it completely changes the implication of your statement: "What nadella said is an explanation to investors of why income of the division increased this quarter without a dramatic increase in hardware sales"
Worst selling console? 2nd console in market is worst ?Worst selling console still finds a way to come out as successful? With this mentality Xbox might not survive next-gen.
The way that some of you are triggered by positive Xbox news is hysterical. Every thread, every time lol
Worst selling console? 2nd console in market is worst ?
40m + is not the worst. Xbox division made over 2b in latest earnings. So yeah stop with Doom n gloom. They are not financially weak like Sega to quit market. Xbox is the only popular hardware brand they have and they will never abandon it .
It's not 40M+ . And using MS metrics like the one mentioned on the op, yes is the worst selling console.
Near Day 1 they bought Bungie and created many other partnerships. Over a decade later after mistakes, they restructured. During restructures, most companies don't go on spending sprees. They're now stable and investing again.
"Worst selling console"It's not 40M+ . And using MS metrics like the one mentioned on the op, yes is the worst selling console.
So if I make a single console and game and sell it to myself, I'll have 100% player engagement in this market.
The less I sell, the more I gain. Success by reduction. Am I doing it right?
They did, because they are behind. Also why they announce silly things like this. It's unfortunate cause they aren't even doing bad, but they way they announce things it seems like they are.How do you know it's not at 40M? Is that just something you WANT to believe because you don't like MS? Do they even release the numbers anymore? I could swear they stopped giving out total hardware sales figures.
It's not 40M+ . And using MS metrics like the one mentioned on the op, yes is the worst selling console.
It's not 40M+ . And using MS metrics like the one mentioned on the op, yes is the worst selling console.
They did, because they are behind. Also why they announce silly things like this. It's unfortunate cause they aren't even doing bad, but they way they announce things it seems like they are.
They don't have to be #1 to announce sales numbers.
I can agree with this. Maybe for some time the gaming division was at risk, and it was better to avoid comparisons with sony, but right now they must simply report sales from time to time. Is not like report sales stops you for still talking about other metrics.Yeah. I feel like they should be proud of whatever number they've sold. 30-40M is not anything to be ashamed of. Sony just had them by the balls the entire generation. They've won and that's ok. Try again next gen. *shrugs*
Stop being defensive, this is typical Ms marketing spin because they lost this gen. Your are only showing your true colors.
Man, if you read this bullshit often, it's really easy to write and replicate.
Posts like this are why Microsoft are right to not disclose exact sales. Large sections of the gaming industry are made up of children (especially grown up ones!) who don't understand the first thing about business beyond very simple "who won?" terms. And obviously, anything else is "spin".
Microsoft can't come out and say they're outselling the competition because they're not. But they are entitled to publish any other metrics where they are successful, especially when it's stuff that shows players are still using their platform and making them a lot of money. Shock horror, there's more to business than "winning" a hardware race every 5 years.
There are people on this forum who are absolutely gutted Microsoft aren't just quietly fading out of the gaming industry.
Posts like this are why Microsoft are right to not disclose exact sales. Large sections of the gaming industry are made up of children (especially grown up ones!) who don't understand the first thing about business beyond very simple "who won?" terms. And obviously, anything else is "spin".
Microsoft can't come out and say they're outselling the competition because they're not. But they are entitled to publish any other metrics where they are successful, especially when it's stuff that shows players are still using their platform and making them a lot of money. Shock horror, there's more to business than "winning" a hardware race every 5 years.
There are people on this forum who are absolutely gutted Microsoft aren't just quietly fading out of the gaming industry.
I don't think Microsoft should be bothered for post like this, or haters on forums. Is not like not reporting sales avoid people trashing them, or even believing they are doing worse than they are actually doing.Posts like this are why Microsoft are right to not disclose exact sales. Large sections of the gaming industry are made up of children (especially grown up ones!) who don't understand the first thing about business beyond very simple "who won?" terms. And obviously, anything else is "spin".
Microsoft can't come out and say they're outselling the competition because they're not. But they are entitled to publish any other metrics where they are successful, especially when it's stuff that shows players are still using their platform and making them a lot of money. Shock horror, there's more to business than "winning" a hardware race every 5 years.
There are people on this forum who are absolutely gutted Microsoft aren't just quietly fading out of the gaming industry.
MS on the other hand whilst making every effort to improve games we've already played to death in all fairness seems to have forgotten that people want new gaming experiences too, which is odd seeing as they are in the games business.
I think in this context engadgement means "giving us their money". Maybe he's speaking about how much time is spending playing on Xbox but for investors that's a bit irrelevant.Ok, moving away from the dumb fucking console wars nonsense, how exactly does Microsoft know they have superior engagement? Obviously they know their own metrics, which I presume are impressive, but how would they do how they compare to Sony?
Also was engagement defined? We have our own general understanding of what it means, but do we know exactly what it means for this specific context?
Seems to be the way most Microsoft threads go. Either this or screaming DOA at the top of their lungs.It is unbelievable, how badly ERA is moderated - with actual mods in this very thread.
The CEO explains to investors, why revenue grew without substantially more hardware being sold; and the thread is full of console warriors screaming 'PR spin'.
This is embarrassing not only for those posters, but for the site as a whole.
I think in this context engadgement means "giving us their money". Maybe he's speaking about how much time is spending playing on Xbox but for investors that's a bit irrelevant.
If Microsoft manages to be on top one day, do you imagine that they keep their actual narrative of not reporting sales and talking about engagement and stuff, only being measured by quarter results lol. It would be hilarious, the fumes would be great to see.
It is unbelievable, how badly ERA is moderated - with actual mods in this very thread.
The CEO explains to investors, why revenue grew without substantially more hardware being sold; and the thread is full of console warriors screaming 'PR spin'.
This is embarrassing not only for those posters, but for the site as a whole.
It is unbelievable, how badly ERA is moderated - with actual mods in this very thread.
The CEO explains to investors, why revenue grew without substantially more hardware being sold; and the thread is full of console warriors screaming 'PR spin'.
This is embarrassing not only for those posters, but for the site as a whole.
Yeah they leaving the console marketWorst selling console still finds a way to come out as successful? With this mentality Xbox might not survive next-gen.
How do you know it's not at 40M? Is that just something you WANT to believe because you don't like MS? Do they even release the numbers anymore? I could swear they stopped giving out total hardware sales figures.
It was at 35 million in February according to Zhuge, no way its managed to get close to 40 million over the past few months.It was 35 last year according Zhuge. Pretty sure it's close 40m now.
Thats good enough install base for games to be successful.
Soon these threads will only consist of high quality sarcastic, ironic or just obvious shitposting because reading the actual op and the respective article is too much to understand or comprehend.Soon "Xbox is the console towards which players feel the most love" then "Xbox the most time spent thinking about at work console"
Some of you guys need to stop bashing the website and its mod and community because you can't handle the facts MS will be called out for Pr spin.
Why aren't you guys mad they never tell it straight up. They use verbiage that sounds positive to hide the obvious negative parts. Even XBox X which probably is selling, they don't provide any numbers.