That's…an extremely generous take lol. Nvm deathloop being exclusive to PS5 for a year.
Microsoft's output is seriously disappointing this generation
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I'm in total agreement about your overall point, and the ongoing support for stuff like Flight Sim and Sea of Thieves makes those games ongoing showcases. I do wonder if the sheer variety of their output is part of why a given individual might think of it as especially thin. Like, most of this stuff happens to be tailored to what I enjoy, but for example if someone didn't like racing/sim/strategy rpg stuff, this list becomes a different beast.
(To be clear, ignoring high-quality titles in hobby discussions about publisher output because we aren't into a genre is silly, but I do think that's a factor.)
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Thank you. This explains a bunch of my feelings better than I could write them myself really. Some amazing games that are not system sellers and the market is starting to punish them hard right now.
It's really easy to argue with. In fact many already have. With facts.
I get it, but $300, my last gen games perform better and I can play current gen ones easily.
I like Halo, I like Forza.
Just not invested in the Xbox brand personally, but I honestly don't have more to ask of it.
Diablo IV, Street Fighter VI. So it's getting its use.
I like Halo, I like Forza.
Just not invested in the Xbox brand personally, but I honestly don't have more to ask of it.
Diablo IV, Street Fighter VI. So it's getting its use.
And here i thought subscription models had games on them. I was misled all this time
Anyone wanting to gauge their own engagement on the ecossystem by console sales is 1) going to end up always disappointed, xbox is never going to sell more than playstation and 2) weird as fuck
What was generous? MS published at least 4 of the top 10 GOTY winners in 2021. That's not a take. That's a fact.
Funny that you use cars here since Xbox delivered this gen's greatest car game and just released an expansion for it less than a months ago.
Use my Series X as a BC machine and a handful of GamePass games. That is about it. None of the MS published games really excite me since I'm more of a fan of Japanese developers.
Let's be honest, including Deathloop give more ammo to the people who are saying Xbox has a content problem than it helps to prove that they don't. Counting Deathloop is the definition of semantics, it's at best a multiplatform title.
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And I went ahead and modified the OP to reflect my initial oversight. It was a genuine "whoops" and not trying to ignore a, frankly, good year. Your implication was that I was biasing the conversation one way because of what, I "Stan" another console maker? I couldn't give a shit, I just want to play great games and have competition between them which is healthy.
They're doing better than last Gen, that's for sure. That being said, it has been disappointing to me at least. People keep saying to give them time to let their acquisitions do their thing…and while I agree, man is it rough. I do believe good things are coming though
Yeah...I think it has been very weak in terms of big titles...I got gamepass on PC because I could get it cheap a couple of years ago...and they haven't released any of the games, bar Halo (which I found wanting), that I actually bought the thing for in the first place...
idk these threads always turn into "But they have had good output since 2020", followed by "yeah but it's not as appealing to me" or "those aren't system sellers" or "but that isn't a console exclusive".
which always just leads me back to the point I keep saying regarding MS' output and lineup: unless they churn out a series of 3rd person narrative action games that are consistently good (like 4-5 released in the span of a year at 85+ MC) many will not consider their output good enough. Because they want them to go toe-to-toe in genre and design with Sony's portfolio.
That's fine if those are games you care about, too. They are all generally very good games. But it negates or ignores what has been put out which all had generally been quite good.
which always just leads me back to the point I keep saying regarding MS' output and lineup: unless they churn out a series of 3rd person narrative action games that are consistently good (like 4-5 released in the span of a year at 85+ MC) many will not consider their output good enough. Because they want them to go toe-to-toe in genre and design with Sony's portfolio.
That's fine if those are games you care about, too. They are all generally very good games. But it negates or ignores what has been put out which all had generally been quite good.
Agreed. We can argue all day and night about personal preference, but none of the stuff they have released have moved consoles, and that is why sales are down across the board. Gamepass is great, they have done a bunch of great PR stuff, is easily the most user friendly console, yet sales are down and ps5 is destroying it. One of those reasons is games, its just how it is. One of those last big games was Halo, and we all know how that went. PS3 was an overpriced pile of crap, yet once the great exclusives started coming, the sales picked up. Games sell consoles, and as someone who expected much more from them this generation, it feels like they have kind of just stumbled out of last gen not really learning from any of the mistakes, software wise. Everything else is great.
The subject of this thread is Microsoft publishing is disappointing this gen. MS is responsible for Deathloop. Why wouldn't you credit them regardless of where the game was playable?
They do? I'll have to double check. I could have sworn they only make you pay a monthly fee to download thumbnails.
This type of reply is trying to make an argument that doesn't exist. I didn't say anything about beating PS. Sales are down for MS. I have never expected them to "beat" Sony. That's a goal beyond reach. I'm talking about making up ground lost. They are falling further and further behind as the quarters go on. Game Pass sales on console have stagnated. Smartass quips don't let you skate past facts.
100%.
I should edit it to say "meanwhile someone's in a Forza car in the driveway honking at you to get inside and stop sulking about delays".
Deathloop came out like three months after an acquisition. Definitely semantics, it's a Multiplatform game published by Bethesda
What annoys me is they're mediocre AFTER a bunch of delays. Halo Infinite and Redfall both shipped unfinished after several delays.
Throw money at problems. Luckily, they have so much money, it will resolve itself.
They are coasting on good will of cheap Gamepass subs.
They are coasting on good will of cheap Gamepass subs.
This is so disingenuous it's hilarious. Like sticking your fingers in your ear and shouting la la la I can't hear you
I mean, less than three months ago was Hi-Fi Rush and AoE2, this month is Minecraft Legends, and the start of next month is Redfall. As someone currently working on my PS4 backlog on the PS5, have there been more games published by Sony in that same window that I missed?
It's def been longer than it should have. I can also see how it can be frustrating for some who don't like the smaller stuff they've been outputting.
Me? I've finished pentiment, grounded, and hi fi rush between last october and now. Loved all 3 games dearly so I'm not disappointed like the OP is.
I think e3 this year will be crucial. Most games they've been talking about a lot for the past couple of years are coming our or have released. It's time for the quiet studios that they've purchased to start showing stuff.
Given your pointless comparison, i actually believe you did. It's okay, now you know. Its games, not thumbnails.
if only microsoft had gamepass somewhere else
if only they were trying to think about other markets
hmmm cant think of anything. yup, their success is completely measured by console sales and console subs.
be happy you're at least getting smartass quips. your arguments are so weak you dont even deserve them
Where is that the subject of the thread? The word publishing/published is not mentioned in the OP, and every MS game OP talks about is a console exclusive. The thread is clearly centered around the idea of a lack of high quality exclusive games.
Pentiment was incredible. It's just one of those titles where I was filled with sadness the moment it ended because I knew I'd never play something like it ever again.Pentiment was the best game of 2022 and better than anything that they put out last gen so
This is what I don't get, if you want MS to make more games like Playstation then why not just get a PS5.
Some of us like diversity.
I don't think a game launching at 30 FPS is unfinished but that's just me
What's the proper amount of time between purchase of a developer and the release of games that you can attribute those releases to the company actually paying the employees, paying for the marketing, and paying for the release? You know…publishing.
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My best friend is actually trying to become a pilot because of it. I apologize for my forgetful mistake 😂. Flight Sim is the shit.
But that's the crux of the thread, and thus the sales numbers. Microsoft simply aren't releasing enough games that cater to wide numbers yet. Gamepass doesn't make up for that either. Sure you can argue semantics that some people love those very good games, but not enough do and that leads to this problem.
The studios they bought back in 2018 are only about now starting to show their fruits.
Shit takes time.
Shit takes time.
They've had some great highlights here and there, but they just haven't hit that magic stride. Really hoping Starfield is what kicks it off.
I have to admit it's been really bad on the Xbox side of things even in this generation. The Xbox One generation was a write off, while Sony was firing on all cylinders throughout. This was a chance at a fresh start. It even started with a pretty huge let down for me in the controller - just honestly baffling how old and uninteresting their controller is. The PS5 controller feels like 2 generations ahead of the Xbox one. Gyro, advanced haptics, resistant triggers, speaker, etc. Like, stuff that actually makes the games exciting to control with. It's like the just conceded a pretty big differentiator to Sony without even trying. There are certain things like gyro that really affect gameplay, too. Like, why would I play Fortnite on Xbox when I can play with amazing gyro aiming on PS5?
The real meat of the issue by far, though, is one everyone is circling around: the software. They really badly need a hit. Not only am I playing big third party games on PS5 (better controller, great performance, etc.) but even the first party lineup has been leagues better on Sony's side, and it's only going to get bigger from here.
Xbox needs something "big" in my opinion. Something that will really turn some heads. It's definitely coming, though. They have so many irons in the fire, and one of them has to pop off eventually.
The real meat of the issue by far, though, is one everyone is circling around: the software. They really badly need a hit. Not only am I playing big third party games on PS5 (better controller, great performance, etc.) but even the first party lineup has been leagues better on Sony's side, and it's only going to get bigger from here.
Xbox needs something "big" in my opinion. Something that will really turn some heads. It's definitely coming, though. They have so many irons in the fire, and one of them has to pop off eventually.
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