I want both actually. Rex would be an interesting moveset as he would have partners that boost his atks/stats/etc but has to protect them as a gimmick (in my head at least) but Elma being a dual blade gun fighter would be action pack fast imo
Min Min revealed as ARMS rep in Smash Ultimate
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I want both actually. Rex would be an interesting moveset as he would have partners that boost his atks/stats/etc but has to protect them as a gimmick (in my head at least) but Elma being a dual blade gun fighter would be action pack fast imo
I understand people are upset at the notion that we didn't get Twintelle and Smash missed one of its rare chances at including a darker skinned character in the game, but Min Min is still a win for diversity in Smash. Maybe not the win that many people wanted, but this is a game that struggles to include female characters in the first place part of the time, let alone any characters of a more diverse background. Min Min is the first explicitly Chinese character in Smash, and that still has a lot of value as far as representation in Smash is concerned. Did they go as far as they could have with a more diverse pick? No, but they also chose against other conventional picks and even if it was influenced by a producer's request, the end result was a character who was not just another white male protagonist.
Nah I'm good. That was weeks ago when I still semi-regularly touched my Switch to play Smash with my friends.
Sliding Slinger would be a great counter to Bayo.
I mean sure. Just make sure to pack in the Hiroyuki Sawano music along with her.
As a Xenoblade fan, I'd be honestly be happy with a number of picks, but Elma would be hype. (And she'd come with a collection of XCX music sadly missing from the base game.)
It's really tough as a person of Chinese background to step into these forums when many posters' idea of diversity and racism issues are so... black and white.
Really appreciate the staff post and Min Min is a Win Win, but the comments really soured what should be a celebration specifically for Chinese representation.
Twintelle is a great character though - in fact most of the ARMS cast would've been great, such was the strength of their designs!
Really appreciate the staff post and Min Min is a Win Win, but the comments really soured what should be a celebration specifically for Chinese representation.
Twintelle is a great character though - in fact most of the ARMS cast would've been great, such was the strength of their designs!
You right, cus they didn't even THINK about Twintelle. So yeah, fuck em regardless.
"Hello? Is this thing on? Is there anybody here? I need a bigger gun!"
Maybe i'm reading something different but that's absolutely not what the mod post is saying. The lack of black representation in smash and generally across nintendo games is incredibly poor (the gaming industry as a whole as well). That absolutely should be discussed. There is a way to do that without talking down the fact that min min represents another minority group who clearly feel represented by her.
I agree that twintelle was a HUGE missed opportunity for nintendo and i'm kinda shocked they didn't even consider her as an option.
I'm pretty sure these forums will find some way to piss all over the music.
As somebody who's played ARMS, Twintelle's gimmick is she uses her hair to attack instead of her...arms, but doesn't use her free limbs to perform any additional manuvers like Min Min.
my take on min min as some sort of race representative is that, as a chinese person myself, i don't really see identify myself as a minority. i mean there are way more chinese people in the world than most other ethnicities so... if someone else feels under-represented that feeling is probably stronger than mine.
As an Arms fan I couldn't be more happier, Min min is easily my favorite character in that game and it's great that she made it.
As a black man I was really holding out hope for twintelle to make it just because it would be a great message to send with a black women kickstarting off the fighter pass after the majority white/male pass we got last pass. Min min is still huge win though for Chinese representation and finally getting our first women DLC fighter in damn near 4 years
As a black man I was really holding out hope for twintelle to make it just because it would be a great message to send with a black women kickstarting off the fighter pass after the majority white/male pass we got last pass. Min min is still huge win though for Chinese representation and finally getting our first women DLC fighter in damn near 4 years
Spoilers.Elma comes with the baggage of her "true form" being... well...
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I guess they could change her skin tone to blue eventually.
Yeah, I always saw them with Latino complexions (like me), or maybe from India. Probably why I have such a crush on Sharla ,she looks a bit like my girlfriend if my girlfriend was far taller..
Basically. Forever we are destined to take this L and expected to be humble and happy about it.
Oh well. Character looks hype at least.
IDK the story of X but Elma just isn't gonna happen unless there's some sequel she's going to star in that will be out by next year.
XC2 is too successful and beloved and new to be skipped over to go back and pick up an older character.
It would be like going back to make Midna a character ... she lost her chance and I'm 100% sure not Sakurai nor anyone else involved cares enough.
Maybe, just maybe ... if the person behind the Xenoblade games ask for it after Nintendo sends Sakurai to em to talk then yeah.
You forgot to include Elma and Marina. Nintendo has 5 recent top notch designs of dark-skin women and none of them as fighters in Smash. As excited as I am for Min Min, I'm at the same time so disappointed with this situation and Twintelle's exclusion.
Not surprising at all, Spring Man is already an Assist Trophy and if I recall correctly even before ARMS came out Reggie mentioned how popular Min Min was.
Not gonna happen, if they add another XC character(a big if already) it's gonna be from XC1 and XC2.
This is a conversation we're more than willing to host. In fact we welcome it, it's one we should have, and people have been having it in this thread, we're just asking people not to dismiss asian representation or claim it's not important.
I'm gonna be honest, the thought of the only ARMS representative in the game being someone who uses her hair instead of her arms is hilarious lol.
It sucks that Nintendo's history of Black characters ... is lacking to say the least, but I think Elma definitely still has a shot. Don't give up hope!
It sucks that Nintendo's history of Black characters ... is lacking to say the least, but I think Elma definitely still has a shot. Don't give up hope!
So the character with in game Mandarin lines sure as fuck isn't Chinese
It's tough. I'd like Elma to get in, as Smash needs more diversity in general, but X as a game is much lower in terms of stuff I like, while XBC2 is in my top 10 favorite games. One perspective is more important, obviously, but I won't pretend I wouldn't be disappointed not to get my XBC2 rep possibly ever.
His play style would be one of a kind as well. I love out of the box fighting characters.
Of course give us Nia!
In true form dual wielding a chakram and her sword
Read that again
He's saying that if you say Pokemon Trainer isn't Asian then you can levy the same criticism to MinMin
Is there's ever a XC2 rep is going to be either Rex along with Pyra and Mythra or (hopefully) Morag and Brighid.
The latter would not only benefit from being more female representation but possibly even Queer representation.
Nah, there is a chance. If Monolith is working on a remake of X, Sakurai thinks he can make a really cool moveset out of Elma or he is forced by Nintendo do include her.
Like, slim, but it's there.
Highly doubt they're going to put more effort on XCX than they did with XCDE.
Is not like XCX needs it anyway. They just have to make some fixes, QoL improvements and create new models that don't look ugly as sin.
Naw fuck Rex. Rex is boring. A combo character wouldn't even be new. There is nothing Rex brings to the table that is interesting and the character is just . . . not what gets me hype about smash. If I have to have a XC2 character give me Lora.
Give her some stockings ala smash Mythra and I could fuck with it. Not that it would ever happen
NIA, LOOK AT THIS SHINY THING I FOUND!!!
Nintendo is so fucking behind the times in regards to representation. They're conservative as fuck.
A Japanese game company being conservative?
Surely you can't be serious.
As someone who doesn't care about arms I like min min! She looks cute and her move set is pretty cool, still think there's way better reps out there but not bad
The problem with Elma for something like a diversity pick is
that she isn't human, let alone black. Plus her true form is white as snow.
I could be wrong, but I always assumed that Little Mac was Hispanic.
The problem with Elma for something like a diversity pick isthat she isn't human, let alone black. Plus her true form is white as snow.
Though Smash in general needs a lot more gender representation that isn't male and having Elma still would be nice, but not completely solving the issue that is the complete lack of human diversity in Smash or more important roles for other ethnic groups in their games.
The problem with Elma for something like a diversity pick isthat she isn't human, let alone black. Plus her true form is white as snow.
its been a while since I played the game but wasn't she green?
Yeah you're right, her skin is probably a super pale green that appears white under different lighting.
Props to Sakuri for mixing things up with the playstyle, although the Up-special and side-specials are kinda bland, albeit understandable (side especially).
Still, I'd have to think she'll be pretty low tier. Heavy characters already struggle, so the ones he claims she does well again just won't really be in contention to begin with, and the apparently terrible non-linear gameplay and seeming weakness in the air will be a death sentence in high level play.
Personally I was hoping for Ribbon Girl since I had been thinking that her quad jump would make up for what I was [apparently correctly] assuming would be a linear grounded playstyle, but nothing wrong with MinMin, of course. The deflection being a normal is an inspired choice.
Still, I'd have to think she'll be pretty low tier. Heavy characters already struggle, so the ones he claims she does well again just won't really be in contention to begin with, and the apparently terrible non-linear gameplay and seeming weakness in the air will be a death sentence in high level play.
Personally I was hoping for Ribbon Girl since I had been thinking that her quad jump would make up for what I was [apparently correctly] assuming would be a linear grounded playstyle, but nothing wrong with MinMin, of course. The deflection being a normal is an inspired choice.
I think we're reading it fairly different ways.
I read it more so as using the "PoC" label to placate/ pacify the discourse here.
To me Twin and Min rep are in no way comparable so talking about it shouldn't require a pet-pet on Nintendo's head to say "good job including a different group of Asian people! (Oh, you almost went for another Japanese man you slick lil scamp Sakurai! You sneaky fucker!)".
If there are people who feel represented with Min then that's great. (I've said that like 3 times in this thread cause I have to make it clear that I don't want to downplay her importance to people who feel repped by her)
But as they're checking off sub boxes with in "Asian" brown people just lost the one shot they had with in reason.
(I also never really saw this desire for a "Chinese rep" blossom all that much before today. The fact that she was a female more popular than the "mascot" always took front and center stage in talks, people seemed to just run with "PoC" label cause they don't like the backlash.
I mean ... fuck, does anyone want Chun-Li because of the representation she would bring to Chinese people through her nationality or because she's the queen of fighting games and we want more females in smash? Her being Chinese never factored into my desire for her and I don't remember that being a big deal for most but clearly I don't speak for everyone so I could be wrong af)
In no way do I see it as "progress"/ anything close to a shared win for people wanting Twin ... yet a lot of people want to push it and spin it as some kinda together victory.
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1) that's in contention
2) Hispanic doesn't necessarily mean Mexican, and grouping an entire continent under an umbrella term is part of the reason race talk in the United States is so fraught with miscommunication. Hell, Mexican doesn't even mean brown if you go south of the Rio Bravo.
Not more popular than Pearl I'm pretty sure, so we'd still be fucked unless they give us both of them as a duo, which would still be underwhelming tbh