What the fuck? How the hell is this guy not banned?
That like ratio hurts me something fierce. What is wrong with people?
Just took the time to report this dude.
Like holy shit, he got axed once and then Youtube has an oopsie and gives him back his channel only for him to double down on this awful shit.
To me it clearly comes over as him thinking he can get away with anything now.
That like ratio shouldn't surprise you, really. At this point the only people watching are the GG folks or die-hard fans who want to defend him. Would you click on that video even if just to dislike it? Probably not since dislikes mean absolutely nothing.What the fuck? How the hell is this guy not banned?
That like ratio hurts me something fierce. What is wrong with people?
That's not on Rockstar. Their games allow you to do these things, but it's not as if they encourage this sort of behavior.
In the case of RDR II, attacking the protester makes you lose honor and gets you a wanted level. The KKK are treated as a joke and you don't lose honor for killing them.
His channel is growing because Youtube algorythm is fucked and directly promotes the alt-right and hate speech.And letting us have a laugh at their expensive as well. Even in that KKK video I couldn't stop laughing when they all ended up burning.
The worst part about all this shebackle is that this is obviously having the opposite effect that you guys want, but this happens ALL the time and it seems people never learn... You're making this a bigger deal than it should and this is only bringing the attention of this channel to more idiots, while at the same time trying to stir the blame/accountability in all the wrong directions.
Way to go everyone! We sure showed him!
Yes, people never seem to learn that deplatforming works and in an agressively stupid manner stan for muh fre spech.
Those aren't stories within the games, those are people doing shit to NPC's and presenting them as 'funny' because they are racist, sexist, etc.
That's on them, not Rockstar.
I mean, if you're cool restricting content because these assholes do this kind of thing that's your decision but I'm not okay with that.
Again, you're blaming the wrong people...
That's not on Rockstar. Their games allow you to do these things, but it's not as if they encourage this sort of behavior.
In the case of RDR II, attacking the protester makes you lose honor. The KKK are treated as a joke and you don't lose honor for killing them.
I don't agree with banning controversial views in general, because anything can be judged as controversial depending on who is doing the censoring. Plenty of progressives have been deplatformed from colleges and different other places for example due to their views on certain topics, many of which have been 'judged' as bigoted in certain cases.
In my view, the moral obligation goes as far as calling out hatred on the merits.
But as i said earlier in this thread, i'm not gonna lose any sleep over not seeing a bigot's content on my dash. Of course, pragerU still has an entire youtube channel dedicated to pushing out bigoted content, so no real luck avoiding it it seems
Since you seem very adamant about pushing this view point, I am assuming this is something that you very actively practice. Please tell how it works in practice? When practising this, what are your success criteria and how do you measure your own success or failures and gauge its effectivity versus something like de-platforming?
Right, let's say it's that and just ignore the big 50K+ spike that started when this story came out... Are you serious?His channel is growing because Youtube algorythm is fucked and directly promotes the alt-right and hate speech.
Right, let's say it's that and just ignore the spike that started when this story came out... Are you serious?
And letting us have a laugh at their expensive as well. Even in that KKK video I couldn't stop laughing when they all ended up burning.
The worst part about all this shebackle is that this is obviously having the opposite effect that you guys want, but this happens ALL the time and it seems people never learn... You're making this a bigger deal than it should and this is only bringing the attention of this channel to more idiots, while at the same time trying to stir the blame/accountability in all the wrong directions.
Way to go everyone! We sure showed him!
On Rockstar's part, what they could do is to issue a statement on even though their game allows a lot of freedom in terms of who players can attack, they do not support the views of this particular youtube channel. If they want to they can probably flag his videos for copyright infringement as well?
I never looked up any RDR2 or hate speech shit and those beating up feminist videos of his still popped up in my recommendations plus some of those stupid "Feminazi gets destroyed" videos.His channel is growing because Youtube algorythm is fucked and directly promotes the alt-right and hate speech.
the issue is that you're creating a slippery slope by conflating bigotry with a difference of opinion, positing the issue on the perspective of others rather than with the views themselves. sure, people can label progressives as bigoted, but actual bigoted views - mysogyny, homophobia, racism etc. - should not be tolerated in any space, regardless of political affiliation. bigotry is bigotry, and should not be likened to a difference of opinion or just another political view - not giving it a platform is not the same as denying someone for their political views unless you falsely liken it as such. they are not views that can or should be debated on the basis that they have some worth - bigotry by it's very nature is illogical. you can't meet in the middle or compromise with bigotry as doing so still gives into it.
Right, let's say it's that and just ignore the big 50K+ spike that started when this story came out... Are you serious?
Is this is how people solve these deep rooted societal issues? Turn away and ignore it in the hopes that it goes away? Imagine adopting this defeatist attitude when faced with opposition to any progressive reform. The opposition always grow as the movement gains greater visibility. The key is to never relent. Pretty sure Inforwar's YT subs jumped a few folds when they and their abhorrent practices were talked about. And yet in the end, the channel was banned.
I'm not adamant about 'pushing a viewpoint'. As i said earlier in the thread, i am not trying to convince anyone of anything. I stated my opinion once, i am simply responding to people responding to me. If no one had issue with my opinion, it would have been done.
Anyways, i don't think about it in terms of success versus failure. Its just a viewpoint i believe in. I'm not trying to "delete hate". I am black. There will never be an opportunity to delete racism from the internet, despite how frustrated i am about it. I only worry about countering it.
I just don't think it should be up to a content holder or government to censor speech, even if it is hateful. In that way, i'm just more of a social libertarian along with many other social views. There are times when laws are blatantly necessary to supplement civil rights against hate, but simply allowing people to speak is something i don't personally believe goes to that level.
Views, after the ban he is now marching towards 1M subs, those videos are bringing him thousands of dollars in cash.
You all just helped him getting famous, his channel was barely growing months ago now has exploded.
On Rockstar's part, what they could do is to issue a statement on even though their game allows a lot of freedom in terms of who players can attack, they do not support the views of this particular youtube channel. If they want to they can probably flag his videos for copyright infringement as well?
Okay, let me rephrase that, you believe in what you believe in, I am curious about your approach. How does it work in practice?
You're arguing against de-platforming and attempting to make a case for fighting hate in the market place of ideas, why wouldn't you want to measure your success in an effort to make your case stronger? How then do you gauge if your approach is more effective that de-platforming?
Where do you believe the line should be drawn? Any concrete examples of what you believe should require interference from either a content provider or the government?
Alt right/conservative/"own the libs" humor in a nutshell.
What if I say the N-word but I slyly change one letter of the word so nobody can accuse me of actually saying it.
Either demonizing Rockstar or demonizing us for discussing it and giving the guy attention.It's absolutely amazing how people are starting to demonize Rockstar over this... Wth is wrong with you people?
Wag your finger all you want, nothing changes as long as the content holder continues to permit this channel to exist.I don't think calling someone a dumbfuck for being a racist or misogynist is compromising with them. My view of fighting hate is actively shaming it. It doesn't mean letting it go uncontested or simply saying its a difference of view.
I just don't think it should be up to a content holder or government to censor speech, even if it is hateful. In that way, i'm just more of a social libertarian along with many other social views. There are times when laws are blatantly necessary to supplement civil rights against hate, but simply allowing people to speak is something i don't personally believe goes to that level.
No they aren't.Are these videos demonetized?
Hope Rockstar are watching this prick like a hawk, don't let him make a cent off of them.
Wag your finger all you want, nothing changes as long as the content holder continues to permit this channel to exist.
Fuck hate speech. It doesn't deserve any fucking air to breathe.
Either demonizing Rockstar or demonizing us for discussing it and giving the guy attention.
Literally blaming everyone but the actual shithead doing the damn thing
Rockstar doesn't need to do anything. This is a complete non-issue for them. Their views are already quit clear. You lose honor for punching suffragists and you gain honor for killing klansman.On Rockstar's part, what they could do is to issue a statement on even though their game allows a lot of freedom in terms of who players can attack, they do not support the views of this particular youtube channel. If they want to they can probably flag his videos for copyright infringement as well?
I mean, you're technically correct that thinking "hate speech is wrong and dangerous" is part of a mindset. It's just that it's a mindset normally called sanity.
Cool, so that statement should be coming any minute now
Yes I'm sure they are worried about pissing off Nazi's by making the KKK both buffoons and villains to be cut down on sight with no penalty.
Tremendous logic being employed here.
How I envision his follow up:On Rockstar's part, what they could do is to issue a statement on even though their game allows a lot of freedom in terms of who players can attack, they do not support the views of this particular youtube channel. If they want to they can probably flag his videos for copyright infringement as well?
it's also absolutely amazing how people jump at any chance to defend a corporation like you just insulted their motherIt's absolutely amazing how people are starting to demonize Rockstar over this... Wth is wrong with you people?
Except anyone with a brain cell can see that they did nothing wrong by including a feminist in their game. The fact that some fucked up people are doing stupid shit with that is not their fault. And I don't see why they should be held accountable for it.it's also absolutely amazing how people jump at any chance to defend a corporation like you just insulted their mother
So why does YouTube need to allow this speech to exist? Why is it wrong if they said "fuck this" and pulled it from their site?It is wrong and dangerous. I just don't think banning is the best way to approach speech. I'll call that type of speech wrong and dangerous and let everyone know how wrong and dangerous it is.
It is wrong and dangerous. I just don't think banning is the best way to approach speech. I'll call that type of speech wrong and dangerous and let everyone know how wrong and dangerous it is.
Explain to me what value there is in respecting this video's supposed right to exist?