I went back and looked and it's kinda vague which part of Kizuki's statement she's referring to. You could be right, I just assumed her quirk did evolve, because she's never mentioned being able to copy quirks before and that seems like a pretty big thing to forget you can doToga didn't evolve her quirk though? She was just never under the circumstance to notice this before. Sure, it's odd to think she had never tried before, but perhaps she never saw anyone with the specific movements to activate their quirks before like Ochako. She wouldn't have know how to use Cammie's quirk for example since she never saw it. Ochako though, well her quirk was displayed all over TV during the Sports Festival and outside the Yakuza hideout.
Toga didn't evolve her quirk though? She was just never under the circumstance to notice this before. Sure, it's odd to think she had never tried before, but perhaps she never saw anyone with the specific movements to activate their quirks before like Ochako. She wouldn't have know how to use Cammie's quirk for example since she never saw it. Ochako though, well her quirk was displayed all over TV during the Sports Festival and outside the Yakuza hideout.
Here's the bit from Vol. 19 (released in Japan last July) I mentioned on the last page. Like I said, kinda feels like he was trying to get out in front of it lol.I went back and looked and it's kinda vague which part of Kizuki's statement she's referring to. You could be right, I just assumed her quirk did evolve, because she's never mentioned being able to copy quirks before and that seems like a pretty big thing to forget you can do
She could've copied any of the others members quirks on numerous occasions since she joined. I hope it did evolve because thinking about it this way, it is starting to feel like a plot hole
Toga is ultimately still a teenager though, perhaps this really the first time she has ever tried this seriously. Maybe she tried it before to no avail, but Ochako has specific movements involved. This is pointed out in the chapter too, maybe that's what finally let it all click in place for her.I went back and looked and it's kinda vague which part of Kizuki's statement she's referring to. You could be right, I just assumed her quirk did evolve, because she's never mentioned being able to copy quirks before and that seems like a pretty big thing to forget you can do
She could've copied any of the others members quirks on numerous occasions since she joined. I hope it did evolve because thinking about it this way, it is starting to feel like a plot hole
Yeahhh...that feels like a retconHere's the bit from Vol. 19 (released in Japan last July) I mentioned on the last page. Like I said, kinda feels like he was trying to get out in front of it lol.
Saw that character info page from Vol. 19 being passed around. Definitely seems like it was an attempt to preempt the developments here.
Toga not knowing she could use the quirks of people she copied makes sense because Ochako makes a specific motion when doing it. The touch then the hand sign. Good power-up for Toga imo.
I'm all for that.Toga is ultimately still a teenager though, perhaps this really the first time she has ever tried this seriously. Maybe she tried it before to no avail, but Ochako has specific movements involved. This is pointed out in the chapter too, maybe that's what finally let it all click in place for her.
This series stress the heroes finding new ways to use their quirks and that's literally what's happening here. After all, this is My Villain Academia.
It is sad she was more impressive for what she gave a bad guy lmao.Heh, leave it to Toga to be a more impressive Uraraka. If I was one of her classmates, I'd never want to piss her off.
We don't exactly have any info on her stamina before this, last chapter we even know she was trained for this kind of stuff. People being quick in manga isn't exactly uncommon either. If we go by her official stats she has a nice and quick 4/5. But I get that data like that is too wonky. Too many Naruto data books for me to think otherwise lol.That aside, breh, that was a completely blatant asspull. To not only suddenly evolve your quirk outta nowhere, but also still have the stamina to suddenly to tag and defeat them all at once.... C'mon now.
Where would you prefer it to happen? When Toga is fighting a main character? Fighting some loser in this arc seems like the better course.From a quick view on Reddit, some seem to interpret this development differently, in that she simply did not know until now that she could also copy quirks. Whichever ends up being the case, neither work for me due to the execution, where this development conveniently only happens now.
The LoV are the main bad guys, going into this arc thinking the Liberation army was going to be anything other than jobbers is just pure fantasy imo. Stepping stones just like the Yakuza.On top of that, I was already prepping myself for Curious' role just being there to die to Toga, but that was worse than I thought it'd be. I won't act like I miss her, because frankly, the character was very annoying and one-note, but it feels like wasted potential nonetheless. Stings a bit more than a random villain underling dying due to her position as an Executive Director, which may as well just be fluff now that she's been dealt with.
She is a blood sucking vampire who wants to live life by killing the things she loves and sucking their blood, so I don't think you have much to worry about lol.And I hope Toga's backstory wasn't meant to make readers sympathetic haha, because it definitely did not have that effect on me.
I still can't buy the idea that you guys don't think Toga has just never tried this before. She is an unhinged seventeen year old. Not exactly creative. It's not a stretch to think she genuinely just believed her quirk was shape shifting. Now we have this chapter, where she explicitly states she had been studying Ochako's movements, perhaps because she only recently thought about the idea that maybe she could copy quirks too. I think it's clear Toga believes she could always do this, but just never thought to. Yes, in the moment it's very convenient. But Shonen is all about chance happenings.But it doesn't make sense. Uraraka's not the first person she's ever copied. Nor is the chapter even saying that its some scenario of her accidentally realizing what her quirk could truly do, but rather that its something that she just awakened/evolved due to her life being in jeopardy. I see that others such as yourself interpret it differently, but I dunno man.
Regardless, as far as I can tell, the hand motion is what you do to cancel out the quirk and let people/objects fall. All Toga/Uraraka needs to do to apply "zero gravity" to people is to simply touch them with her fingertips or w/e, which is exactly what happened this chapter.
If I was wanted for murder I'd damn sure be exploring all my options and abilities. It's not so much that she's never done it but it's also never been brought up in the actual series before. You can use the old shonen excuse but there is literally no reason there should be confusion about this unless it wasn't properly set up.I still can't buy the idea that you guys don't think Toga has just never tried this before. She is an unhinged seventeen year old. Not exactly creative. It's not a stretch to think she genuinely just believed her quirk was shape shifting. Now we have this chapter, where she explicitly states she had been studying Ochako's movements, perhaps because she only recently thought about the idea that maybe she could copy quirks too. I think it's clear Toga believes she could always do this, but just never thought to. Yes, in the moment it's very convenient. But Shonen is all about chance happenings.
We don't exactly have any info on her stamina before this, last chapter we even know she was trained for this kind of stuff. People being quick in manga isn't exactly uncommon either. If we go by her official stats she has a nice and quick 4/5. But I get that data like that is too wonky. Too many Naruto data books for me to think otherwise lol.
Where would you prefer it to happen? When Toga is fighting a main character? Fighting some loser in this arc seems like the better course.
The LoV are the main bad guys, going into this arc thinking the Liberation army was going to be anything other than jobbers is just pure fantasy imo. Stepping stones just like the Yakuza.
She is a blood sucking vampire who wants to live life by killing the things she loves and sucking their blood, so I don't think you have much to worry about lol.
I still can't buy the idea that you guys don't think Toga has just never tried this before. She is an unhinged seventeen year old. Not exactly creative. It's not a stretch to think she genuinely just believed her quirk was shape shifting. Now we have this chapter, where she explicitly states she had been studying Ochako's movements, perhaps because she only recently thought about the idea that maybe she could copy quirks too. I think it's clear Toga believes she could always do this, but just never thought to. Yes, in the moment it's very convenient. But Shonen is all about chance happenings.
I liked the chapter for the most part. As if I feel bad for Toga or not, yeah I kinda do. Consoling could have save her a little bit, but it's far too late now.
Her "power up" just makes her a more stealth based Monoma now.
I liked the chapter for the most part. As if I feel bad for Toga or not, yeah I kinda do. Consoling could have save her a little bit, but it's far too late now.
Her "power up" just makes her a more stealth based Monoma now.
Wrong kind of consoling. She probably needed more of a mental consoling, telling her her urges weren't evil, which she didn't get. That there were better ways to reveal them than to suck someone's blood.I thought it meant she did have quirk counseling which is why she hid her true nature for years.
My understanding from my first reading was that she didn't receive quirk counselling but this makes more sense because it would be pretty strange for her parents to not have her undertake counselling after what happened.It looked like she would have had counseling, but her quirk by its nature makes her attracted to blood, so she never stood much of a chance of integrating into society. Maybe she even did have counseling and it basically repressed her (the mask) but she went back to how she normally would be when she saw that Saito kid all bloody.
It just seems that some people are just born with quirks that can't be integrated. Back in the Yakuza arc there was that Tabe guy who's quirk made him instantly metabolize things, and he seemed to almost be a monster because of it.
It looked like she would have had counseling, but her quirk by its nature makes her attracted to blood, so she never stood much of a chance of integrating into society. Maybe she even did have counseling and it basically repressed her (the mask) but she went back to how she normally would be when she saw that Saito kid all bloody.
It just seems that some people are just born with quirks that can't be integrated. Back in the Yakuza arc there was that Tabe guy who's quirk made him instantly metabolize things, and he seemed to almost be a monster because of it.
I'm sure if she was given blood and properly counseled, she wouldn't have been so desperate for bloodIt looked like she would have had counseling, but her quirk by its nature makes her attracted to blood, so she never stood much of a chance of integrating into society. Maybe she even did have counseling and it basically repressed her (the mask) but she went back to how she normally would be when she saw that Saito kid all bloody.
It just seems that some people are just born with quirks that can't be integrated. Back in the Yakuza arc there was that Tabe guy who's quirk made him instantly metabolize things, and he seemed to almost be a monster because of it.
I agree with everything from the first paragraph but Toga's psychological issues all stem from her quirk, she killed people because she takes too much blood from themThere's always been bits and pieces of this idea that despite some well-meaning efforts, there's still some people whose quirks make it near-impossible for them to function in MHA's society. Toga could be that, or she could just be a case of someone who didn't receive the counseling she needed to - it's not hard to imagine an alternate version of the character who drinks from bloodbags and whose fascination with people bleeding doesn't pass gag levels of odd. Friendly Neighborhood Vampire, sorta.
That she turned into a serial killer says to me that she's got some other psychological issues that weren't addressed properly, rather than it being about her quirk, as such.
I believe this is the case. Maybe a wee bit crazy, but given the right counselling, I think she'd turn out fine. At least, if she still ended up a villain in this alternate version where she got the counselling, she'd be much closer to our "normal."There's always been bits and pieces of this idea that despite some well-meaning efforts, there's still some people whose quirks make it near-impossible for them to function in MHA's society. Toga could be that, or she could just be a case of someone who didn't receive the counseling she needed to - it's not hard to imagine an alternate version of the character who drinks from bloodbags and whose fascination with people bleeding doesn't pass gag levels of odd. Friendly Neighborhood Vampire, sorta.
That she turned into a serial killer says to me that she's got some other psychological issues that weren't addressed properly, rather than it being about her quirk, as such.
I feel like the source is kind of... not strictly relevant, here? She developed issues - maybe they're from her quirk directly, maybe they're from her parents, maybe they're from how her parents reacted to her quirk - and she didn't get the psychological help she needed. If it was just like... that guy in Vigilantes who got permanently transformed by the quirk serum and had to leave his apartment because he couldn't fit anymore, and he couldn't afford one that did - something that clearly descended from her quirk and would necessarily happen even if she did get quirk counseling - that would be more clear.I agree with everything from the first paragraph but Toga's psychological issues all stem from her quirk, she killed people because she takes too much blood from them
It's really hard to tell if Toga was doomed from birth or if the counseling is all to blame
Plot armor/inconsistent physicsHow does Toga get blown up like a billion times and come out okay, but a 2-3 story fall is instant death.
Well... they did say Kizuki's mines weren't that strong.How does Toga get blown up like a billion times and come out okay, but a 2-3 story fall is instant death.
Bombs never do anything in anime and Kizuki is a irrelevant one off villain so she has no plot armor to save herHow does Toga get blown up like a billion times and come out okay, but a 2-3 story fall is instant death.
Apparently Toga has super speed and she was able to get everyone of her subordinatesYou'd think one of dozens of subordinates would have been able to catch her or ease her descent.
I'm pretty sure she drained drySo all the translation I've read said Toga only severely injured her classmates so it's possible they all survived right?
Just weird they wouldn't say murdered
Ah, cool. Thanks!It's an asspull but it's a fun asspull.
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Quirk counseling was brought up in the kindegarten arc. The teacher said that the time when kids first develop their quirks is a tough one and the state tries to assist them through it by counseling.
Going back even further, in the aftermath of the USJ incident, Midnight comments that Shigaraki probably didn't receive quirk counseling as a child. Turns out she was right.
I think so too.I believe this is the case. Maybe a wee bit crazy, but given the right counselling, I think she'd turn out fine. At least, if she still ended up a villain in this alternate version where she got the counselling, she'd be much closer to our "normal."
I don't know why you hate Toga so much, but I don't see it dawg.I really doubt she would have been anything close to normal. She was a natural predator. At most they would have to get her rabbits and other animals to drain dry to sate her blood lust but she evidently would always crave the blood of the people she is attracted to so her getting into any kind of relationship is fraught with danger for the other person.
Blood banks wouldn't have enough spare blood just to sate someones cravings when they are usually pretty strapped for blood for emergency use.
She was just born wrong and nothing was gonna help her but death or prison.
I think there's no way to know for sure, we're speculating on a timeline that, current Toga got messed up through quirk suppression threapy and it's not like she goes after everyone that's bleeding, I think it's quite possible she could have turned out all right under different circumstancesI really doubt she would have been anything close to normal. She was a natural predator. At most they would have to get her rabbits and other animals to drain dry to sate her blood lust but she evidently would always crave the blood of the people she is attracted to so her getting into any kind of relationship is fraught with danger for the other person.
Blood banks wouldn't have enough spare blood just to sate someones cravings when they are usually pretty strapped for blood for emergency use.
She was just born wrong and nothing was gonna help her but death or prison.
I don't know why you hate Toga so much, but I don't see it dawg.
This chapter seems to imply she could've had a different outcome. She don't have to be normal, just better at controlling herself.