Nvidia won't confirm RR for unannounced hardware, but they've said all RTX GPU will be able to use the feature.
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New Nintendo Hardware Speculation & Rumors |OT| Primed & Ready for the Next Generation of the Nintendo Switch
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Edit: You already got the answer. My bad for the extra quote
Ah, yeah, Nvidia (and now and) have a pretty bogus naming system so I totally get it.
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A reveal of Switch 2 at TGA would be unbelievable. Unfortunately it's unrealistic. That said Series X got announced at TGA. At least the design and Hellblade. I can't remember if TGA was the first time we've heard about the console. So there is chance. Let me dream
Another question that I'm hoping someone knowledgeable with DLSS and game dev can offer some insight on:
Assuming we have BC with next-gen Switch, if we wanted to enjoy better graphical fidelity for some of the more demanding Switch 1 games (ie: No Man's Sky), devs would need to add a patch for DLSS support right?
What kind of amount of work would be required for patch that adds DLSS support? 6 months? Or kinda quick/easy (a month worth)? I understand it's a bit of a loaded question, dependent on how good devs are, just looking for some general ideas on if we can expect to see a decent number of popular Switch 1 games receive DLSS patch because the work is relatively manageable.
Assuming we have BC with next-gen Switch, if we wanted to enjoy better graphical fidelity for some of the more demanding Switch 1 games (ie: No Man's Sky), devs would need to add a patch for DLSS support right?
What kind of amount of work would be required for patch that adds DLSS support? 6 months? Or kinda quick/easy (a month worth)? I understand it's a bit of a loaded question, dependent on how good devs are, just looking for some general ideas on if we can expect to see a decent number of popular Switch 1 games receive DLSS patch because the work is relatively manageable.
DLSS support needs to be patched in. I can't answer how long it takes, because I am not a game developer.
Sorry, my question was meant to be targeting those with some knowledge:
"I'm hoping someone knowledgeable with DLSS and game dev can offer some insight on".
We do know pre-existing games would need to be patched to support DLSS if they don't already support DLSS.
It's generally straightforward, especially if the engine already has DLSS builds available (UE). There will be time needed to adjust settings to best leverage it on the console, but it is pretty straightforward for devs. It uses features of game engines that are common to most of them, so it usually won't be a technical blocker stopping it. Probably a month/less for active dev teams w/ a modern engine, but it is going to be studio/game/engine dependent. Old games w/out a team to dust it off, patch in DLSS, and optimize are the ones that could take 6+months.
That's fantastic. Assuming we have BC and the new system's SoC comes with DLSS support (cannot imagine why it wouldn't), would be interesting to see how many of current-gen (Switch 1) games get a DLSS patch treatment.
Appropriately No Man's Sky had a recent update on Switch to implement FSR 2.0.
If a game has TAA it is easier to implement DLSS, as DLSS itself is a form of temporal upsampling, using information from previous frames to reconstruct a better one. The workload isn't gone, they would still need to test it, but reduced. And totally worth it.
Xenoblade 2 uses TAA and Xenoblade 3 actually uses a better temporal upsampling solution already. DLSS will be right at home on MonolithSoft's engines.
Just looked that up - yeah, pretty recent indeed (patch 4.4). And just watched a video showing how FSR 2.0 improved things considerably. I'll definitely want to check it out soon! Would not have known about this had you not mentioned it.
Really would be interesting, and I am already kind of expecting this to happen in some cases at least.
More details regarding what happened at Gamescom from NateTheHate
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPdxsXmAJnk&t=2s
- BOTW was indeed running with DLSS at 4K60FPS (3.5 DLL installed seemingly?)
- BOTW has loading times eliminated (UFS 3.1 maybe UFS 4.0?)
- Matrix Demo was allegedly running with better RT than PS5/Series X (RTXDI? Lumen Improvements? Epic Settings?), but not using Ray Reconstruction
- March 2024 is being chattered about a lot
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Announcement.
I think Nintendo also said no new hardware this fiscal year
Thanks for posting! Going to listen now. Excited to dig through this one.
I could see March 2024 happening again. Worked great for them last time. Early adopters snag it in March, supply can be bolstered (hopefully) for the next holiday season.
Edit: I see it was "announcement" in March. Nvm.
This sounds very unrealistic. Better RT than PS5 and XSX on a Nintendo console? Can't see that happening.
You'd be shocked to learn that Switch had a better features than PS4 too, then.
It's a more modern hardware so it's bound to do some things better.
Also, personal opinion but I barely notice Ray Tracing on PS5 unless I see direct comparaison pic (when I played Ratched and Clank), ah maybe it'll be the same for Switch 2 anyway.
Nvidias RT is a lot more efficient than AMD's. Also the PS5 and xbox RT is pretty poor.
It sounded like they were unsure if it was the release window or announcement, just that March 2024 was being thrown around
You underestimate just how much better NVIDIA's RT cores are than AMD's RT acceleration. My 3070 wallops the 7900XTX in Cyberpunk RT Overdrive despite the older architecture, lower price, worse process node, worse RAM, worse everything really.
Still listening but they did mention raw power will not match even Series S but superior feature sets.
Nintendo specifically said that new hardware wasn't factored into their estimates.
Oh ok. I just assumed it was announcement.
I think I remember something about no new hardware this fiscal year to investors, but seems I'm wrong
So basically RTX and such might be better but the GPU/CPU/all that jazz will be worse than the S?
For Nintendo thats still damn fine
What was actually said was that the projected hardware sales numbers for the fiscal year did not take into account any new/unannounced hardware. Which feels slightly odd to say if there wasn't any such hardware coming anyway.
If this is true then DLSS is absolutely crazy. I mean I knew it worked well but I didn't figure it was a miracle worker.
I'm hoping Switch 2 is planned for April-Aug as a release date.
Lets the system come and have a buffer before the first holiday period absolutely kills anyone being able to get a hold of one for a solid year.
Lets the system come and have a buffer before the first holiday period absolutely kills anyone being able to get a hold of one for a solid year.
I think a lot of people are dismissing the form factor. Gaming laptops may be able to deliver reasonable results for RT, however something like the Switch? Power consumption, heat and form factor will be enormous problems. I would love to see that, but it does not sound feasible at all.
Yeah I am guessing March or may reveal, October or November release. $399, 12GB LPDDR5, 8 inch 1080p LCD, hopefully 4K HDR upscaling via Dock, hopefully haptics and adaptive triggers in joy cons (far less likely sadly), and 1TFs/2TFs. Not a bad upgrade all in all.
Dunno. DLSS + dedicated Tensor cores might punch above it's weight; RT-performance wise.
That would make sense to me - with DLSS 3.5 they would need maybe two thirds of Series S Power to get there? Maybe even less with frame generation and Nvidia Reflex to hit a stable 60fps and something like 1080p to 1440p.
It's truly gonna be crazy, visually if these games can just hook into Nvidias systems they've build up over the years.
If the chip is able to use all of that, it's only a matter of CPU to get current gen ports up and running in a way that doesn't look like Switch Ports of the PS4/One generation.
Are there rumors pointing towards a 1080p screen? My guess would be not matter how strong the hardware gets, they are gonna go with 900p max just for the sake of battery. 720p is way more likely for a Switch 2.
According to Eurogamer, Nintendo is hoping to launch the Switch 2 before the holidays. So I'd say August at best, November at worst.
I mean, I do also think this would be the result of nearly 2 years worth of additional optimisation of the demo for Switch 2 as well as improvements to UE5 itself. Plus, it's probably running at half the resolution at most. But really, the RT cores are a major advantage. They don't just accelerate every aspect of RT (instead of just one like AMD), they do it in parallel with the rest of the GPU. This is also in docked mode, and we don't know the power consumption for that. Switch docked mode is 15 watts, but it wouldn't be crazy for Nintendo to improve cooling and go further with it for Switch 2. Maybe 25W? Maybe even a fixed 25W with PS5-style dynamic clocks? There are options here, even within the form factor of a handheld.
They'd be crazy not to put it on there.
I've got in on my Steam Deck, and it is a perfect game for playing while laying in bed.