60 frames should be number one priority, whether dev uses dynamic res or whatever other technique to keep it that way.
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next gen at 1080p
- Thread starter Kieli
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1080p native render is fine if the console is capable of doing their own internal mCable/mClassic style up scaling to 4K/8K with AA.
1080p hasn't cut it for me since 2014. Other people see no need to go beyond it. Different strokes.
I can imagine we get lower res modes with enhanced RT-effects. A 2080Ti just barely reaches 60fps at 1080p with all RT-effects in Control.
Unless developers are aiming for 120hz or ray tracing is really demanding and they're cranking it up, I don't think we'll see any regular 1080p games next gen. They didn't build machines this powerful for developers to target 1080p even if that's still what most people have.
Not like anyone has to buy a 4k TV just because the games minimum resolution is higher than your TV. But unless there was a good reason, I think it's just going to happen anyways.
Not like anyone has to buy a 4k TV just because the games minimum resolution is higher than your TV. But unless there was a good reason, I think it's just going to happen anyways.
I don't feel any need for higher resolution while i am gaming on 24". When i decide to get a bigger monitor i will probably get 1440p. At 24" everything above 1080p is overkill.
I've been playing in 1080p since the mid 2000s, it needs to die.
No they are not. That's why 1080p looks "blurry and low rez" for them.
If most games actually target 4k 60FPS, what a fucking waste that would be.
You had me in the first half. Actually, well, no you didn't. I think a huge amount of people bought a TV in the last five years. I know this because I work in an electronics store that sells TVs. Now if I was the kind of person to go out and buy a potentially ~$600 dollar console, which is what we are talking about here when we are talking about "next gen," I would want it hooked up to my tv that I just bought that I maybe didn't put into the room..? Why wouldn't you put your nice TV in the console room? Or vice versa? That seems like a really odd, self imposed limit. If you think 1080p is "fine" you need to treat yourself to playing a game in native 4k. Next gen, between secret sauce, coding to the metal, and 30TFLOPS from the SSD, we should be able to enjoy native 4k/60.
Generally speaking, most games won't target super high refresh rates. If it comes between pushing more effects or having a higher frame rate, developers are always going to choose more effects unless the gameplay is specifically tailored to high FPS games, like shooters or character action games. Most of the time, I think we will be able to have both. Both RE3 and Doom: Hell's Bells look AND play beautifully, thanks in large part to their engines and the tremendous people that worked to get them there.
I think as consumers, we should never settle for "good enough." These consoles were largely developed by their respective manufacturers asking developers what they wanted out of a console. None of them said "Eh this is good enough." Between game makers and console manufacturers, a tremendous amount of people in the industry are pushing to deliver a high fidelity, and high quality experience to players. Saying "1080p is good enough" is like saying seeing a picture of a banana taped to a wall is good enough. You have to be there. You have to take it in. I forgot where I was going with this.
1440p / 1800p with some fancy checkerbox rendering / upscaling at 60fps would be a much more attractive target than 1080p. And do some dynamic resolution scaling, if you want.
4k30 should definitely not be the target, but 1080p60 would be extremely underwhelming. Like, the fucking Switch does 1080p60 ...
Not gonna pay €500 for a console just to be stuck at 1080p for another 5 years.
But of course - just do 4k60.Doom eternal looks and feels fantastic on the PS4 Pro... If there's a will, there's a way.
4k30 should definitely not be the target, but 1080p60 would be extremely underwhelming. Like, the fucking Switch does 1080p60 ...
Not gonna pay €500 for a console just to be stuck at 1080p for another 5 years.
But of course - just do 4k60.Doom eternal looks and feels fantastic on the PS4 Pro... If there's a will, there's a way.
This is a very detailed post, but you didn't really address what I said in the first place. Yes, people buy a lot of new TVs, but enough that the majority of users are rocking 4K sets in the same room of the house as their consoles? I seriously doubt it.
Eh I couldn't care less about 4K. I'm fine with 1080P and honestly can't tell that much of difference anyway. And don't get me started with RT, I watch comparison videos and even if I can "tell" it's not that of a big deal.
I do hope though that this gen is the gen we finally get 60+ fps. Lower resolution and higher FPS any day of the week.
I do hope though that this gen is the gen we finally get 60+ fps. Lower resolution and higher FPS any day of the week.
I'm the complete opposite but I hope it becomes standard for developers to provide those options next gen.
This happens every gen. There's a similar thread about current gen graphics still being impressive too. Last gen people were saying 720p was absolutely fine and they don't notice the difference, and then they'd post a screenshot of that frickin' tree trunk texture from Uncharted.
You've just not got anything to properly compare it to yet. Once you're used to 4k, and everyone else is used to next gen graphics quality, object detail, and world scale, you'll chuckle about this.
OP, sounds like what you are looking for is PC. I'm still playing at 1080p 144 Hz, G-sync at Ultra settings. It's glorious. With that said, I will be getting both the PS5 and XSX, as well as a new 4k TV this year, if I survive physically and financially, this Corona virus. . I hope that they mostly target 60 fps or above on the new consoles. I can't stand 30 fps.
It breaks my heart that more people don't try CRTs. I play everything on a 17" CRT @1280x960. It just looks so good in motion and the colours are out of this world. And my CRT is not even high-end or anything.
The biggest travesty indeed!
1080p at high refresh is better than 4K30 fuck that 30fps shit, thats true rubbish.
Im sticking with 1440p144 screens for all of nextgen, hoping the consoles have a downsample to 1440p option my screen isnt that big so 4K isnt really an option.
And on the PC front I should be able to bells and whistles 1440p at well above 60fps.
I dont think 4K60+ is a thing i can reasonably expect without paying an arm and a leg.
40K60 is already a bitch now, with even higher visuals nextgen I dont think my PC will be ready and I doubt the consoles will actually have a bunch of 4K60 games let alone 60+
In old (backwards compatible) games or new releases? Because new games most certainly will run at higher resolutions. And framerates will tank. Same shit, different gen.
Why are you talking about fixed resolutions? Even the 2013 consoles use mostly variable resolutions and reconstruction. The 2020 consoles are all about VRS (variable rate shading) and adaptive render targets. The concept of fixed resolutions does no longer apply. Even the concept of "locked 60fps" will be a thing of the past with variable refresh rates in most TVs.
Imagine Gran Turismo on PS5, a single frame of you going at high speeds on a straight towards a complicated part of a track. High resolution is not adding anything to the far edges of the screen that move very fast (and are motion blurred to hell). Low resolution is hampering your ability to identify the track far ahead.
Imagine rendering the portion of the screen with the far track in "8K" and the less important, blurred edges of the screen in "1080p". Then the whole thing is reconstructed to match the static, native pixel count of your output device (i.e 4K TV). Now you have a downsampled super crisp and detailed view of the track far ahead and you wont even notice the reduced detail of the blurred trees in the corner of your eye in a screenshot without DF telling you. The construction of this frame took 14.9ms. Your TV will show this frame and refresh instantly. No need to run it at a fixed 67Hz as it is fully variable.
Imagine Gran Turismo on PS5, a single frame of you going at high speeds on a straight towards a complicated part of a track. High resolution is not adding anything to the far edges of the screen that move very fast (and are motion blurred to hell). Low resolution is hampering your ability to identify the track far ahead.
Imagine rendering the portion of the screen with the far track in "8K" and the less important, blurred edges of the screen in "1080p". Then the whole thing is reconstructed to match the static, native pixel count of your output device (i.e 4K TV). Now you have a downsampled super crisp and detailed view of the track far ahead and you wont even notice the reduced detail of the blurred trees in the corner of your eye in a screenshot without DF telling you. The construction of this frame took 14.9ms. Your TV will show this frame and refresh instantly. No need to run it at a fixed 67Hz as it is fully variable.
I'm fine with a dynamic resolution between 1080p / 4K as long as games maintain a stable 60 fps. I hope this coming gen is the death of 30 fps.
It doesn't on a 1080p panel (23" monitor and 50" Plasma).
4K is a waste of resources so I hope that next gen will let us chose games resolution to bump framerate.
It's only blurry if it's non native on a 4K TV or if the devs are using some blurry postprocessing AA. Native 1080p on a smaller monitor isn't blurry at all.
Some if you need to let the 60fps console dream go.
As long as other types of visual enhancements sell, they will be the focus for many devs.
As long as other types of visual enhancements sell, they will be the focus for many devs.
Not on a screen size built for it.
