That Anubis spec couldn't pass for much outside of the OG XBOX One. Not sure what it has to with anything.
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Next gen PS5 and next Xbox launch speculation - Secret sauces spicing 2019
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That Anubis spec couldn't pass for much outside of the OG XBOX One. Not sure what it has to with anything.
Yep. He got verified for OTHER things, not his corroboration of the hardware stuff. It's like the guy that got the Sony not being at E3 right and suddenly he even knows price point and inner workings of third party games
Next Xbox To Feature Ray Tracing, 1TB NVMe SSD Storage; DevKit To Release After GDC 2019 – Rumor
https://wccftech.com/next-xbox-rayt...JGtEfjhvk8uhAHn3pKXvXtf28uJ5WqWK3tSLZ80qiqNGU
About the reddit leak.
The hardware is partially true
Storage is true
Raytracing is true
Lockhart is not Streaming box
Xbox SoC codename is Anubis, check AMD's plan
MS AI is not a part of the hardware, in other words, never heard of TPU or ASIC like it
How to implement Raytracing? See GDC 2019
Why they make a decision like Lockhart? See GDC 2019
Why there still no DevKit? After GDC 2019
The rumored specs for the next Xbox console, codenamed Anubis, are:CPU: Custom 8 cores / 16 Threads Zen 2 CPU
GPU: Custom NAVI @12+ teraflops
Memory: 16GB GDDR6
Storage: 1TB NVMe SSD @ 1+GB/s
DirectX Raytracing + MS AI
https://wccftech.com/next-xbox-rayt...JGtEfjhvk8uhAHn3pKXvXtf28uJ5WqWK3tSLZ80qiqNGU
It would not be hard for a leaker to make shit up and then glom on to an extremely obscure thing like the soc name for Scorpio to give it a semblance of believability. So much so that even someone reliable like KOMACHI is trying to figure it out and fit the round peg in the square hole when his first reaction is that the codename is already being used. Add that to the 4tf low end lockhart which is supposed to be the streaming console according to the leaker even though Brad Sams (reliable) has said lockhart is not streaming. There's just enough wrong that it all seems iffy
Either way I've fashioned my tinfoil hat and am ready for the ride. Why not, it's fun.
The 1x design was a bet on gddr5 being too expensive and the idea that a fast/slow ram config with a larger total quantity of memory would be a better design. It backfired when it turns out that by launch 8gb is absolutely possible. I've often wondered how perceptions may have differed if we did end up with 8gb xb1 / 4gb ps4, which seemed like a possible outcome for Ms at the design stage.
From my understanding the reddit leaker never mentioned anubis, it was the leaker on the MS first party that did.
My mistake then, mea culpa. That makes it weirder though, Anubis IS the SOC in the 1x
Hmmm, komachi from twitter mentioned that its possible that lockhart will be listed as anubis+ in this case. Maybe lockhart really is 6tf with zen in this case.
Maybe lockhart is a digital only mini 1x?
(handheld? Heh, if only... Think we're a good few years away from that kind of die shrink ... Would explain the ssd though )
So maybe the ms leaker on resetera knows details about the lower SKU and not the higher one? Could you have raytracing and that hard drive on the lower SKU with just the GPU being different?
If some people stop saying otherwise, then yes, we can. You can't change the numbers. Ease of development like X360 had can't change the overall numbers. I know i didn't said anything wrongly. Thanks!
I mean raytraycing requires alot of compute, dont see raytracing in any form on a sub$400 box.
I will be honest, that i still do not fully believe that user even if they were verified. I just cant see SSD in a low end machine, its pointless. Also all the other leaks mentioned SSD only on the anaconda.
Regarding ray tracing, there are some games that ray tracing to some level on the current gen, i think the ray tracing thing will just be a buzzword that wouldnt really do anything significant in the games.
Thank you for the help without the snark fellow Gundam fan.
Roger, roger.
So the AMD Gonzalo APU is probably not PS5? Who'd a thunk it.
Someone mentioned it culd have been a troll leak designed to make sony look bad. Which is why it was posted in Xbox subreddit rather than something more general like videogames
I mean PS5 could still end up being 8tflops, regardless of the AMD Gonzalo leak.
I don't believe it will but it could be. Regardless, the AMD Gonzalo thing never gave any indication of 8tflops anyway.
Again, i am not talking about the reddit leak. It was obviously a troll leak and not worth even discussing. And once again the one who said lockhart code name is anubis was the leaker from the MS first party, not the reddit leaker, that is why i am becoming more suspicious about this users legitimacy regarding the scarlett leaks, even if he was verified for knowledge of GDC discussions.
No one has any idea what it will be. So there are no reasonable conclusions one can jump to.
The reality is, peeps on here are far too fixated on maximum theoretical flops numbers, and modern GPUs are so much more than paper flops that it renders all the flops discussion utterly meaningless.
Traditionally, AMDs architectures haven't been nearly as efficient for gaming workloads when it comes to paper flops numbers anyway, especially versus NVidia. So AMDs paper flops are just less meaningful for games.
One could hope Navi bring positive changes to reverse that trend. But then that would amount to mere hope at this stage.
It's a bit weird to be annoyed at this particular thing, with all the downplaying of the PS5 that's been going on in this thread in the last couple of weeks.
I also heard that Sony and Mark Cerny invented gaming GPUs.
Sure, customers might ask for features or contribute to a certain degree. But yeah... It's not called semi-custom for nothing.
Navi was happening regardless of Sony or Microsoft.
They would never use Gonzalo as a code name.
They'd also never shoot for 8tf gpu clocks lolol
As much as I prefer Sony for their consistent first party output - doing a staggered MS first approach can work well as MS tend to Stacie their launches and support well for the first couple of years, while PlayStation can take a little while to warm up.
Do we have any evidence suggesting it's not?
A lot of people putting a lot of words in my mouth in this thread as an excuse to attack me, because how dare I base my opinion on EG reporting or Mark Cerny's words. So whatever dude.
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Agree on the core tech but 1X is basically the same - barely any more CUs than ps pro but they clock higher and faster/more ram. So there can still be a power difference depending on balance of cost vs intended sale price. Right now for me the tech stuff is interesting but we have no info really. The business angle with the possible twin SKUs from MS is intriguing
Ah so you're attacking me based on what you think I think, rather than what I have actually said (and supported with EG reporting). Let me quote the article you're ignoring one third and last time to you:
"the notion of a console project leading the development of PC graphics technology isn't entirely unprecedented. When the specs for the PlayStation 4 GPU leaked, we noted the high level of similarity between Sony's hardware and AMD's Pitcairn design that debuted in the Radeon HD 7870 and HD 7850, while PS4 Pro's hardware make-up had commonalities with AMD's Polaris GPU line.
"You may later on see something that looks very much like a console GPU as a discrete [PC] GPU, but that's then being very familiar with the design and taking inspiration from the console GPU. So the similarity, if you see one, is actually the reverse of what you're thinking," Mark Cerny told me during his briefing of the PlayStation 4 Pro hardware"
This is all I'm saying and have said, and apparently the lead of digital foundry and Mark Cerny agree with me. Again, maybe you know better than those guys... It's strange to get your panties in a bunch over it though, especially when you have now admitted that Sony contribute to and influence the Navi design.
Like I said. Let's wait until the PS5 reveal. If Sony say they helped AMD with Navi arch then you can eat some crow. If they don't I happily will.
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Yea i just dont understand what it means which is what i meant with my question haha.
Me neither. And I don't want it. It's a waste of silicon if they use an APU and a similar dedicated cores approach like Nvidia. Or it may require a discrete processor which can add to cost.
It's too immature right now. Console games can still do ray tracing and already do - but more light probes to help with lighting generally, not full scene tracing for reflections etc. It may be possible to extend that a little with increase compute units on the GPU - remember Sony talkign about 'too many' CUs for rendering with the thought some will be used for compute? So n extension of that.
Also if the base units don't have RT I don't see the mid gen refresh having them either - adding more performance is relatively easy to absorb by developers (or even transparent), but adding specific functionally that would require dedicated work and patches will likely have poor adoption and arguably a waste of silicon.
Save full RT for next next gen when it is more mature and the return on silicon cost is more understood
I've read most of this thread with interest and given everything we've seen so far, here's my hot take:
- Microsoft will have a lightly more powerful (in raw tflops) system - Anaconda - than Sony
- Microsoft will announce first - specs leaked after GDC, blow-out this E3
- Sony are keeping things under their hats because they don't need to go first this time - I expect Microsoft to release first
- Microsoft to use the tech revealed by AMD this CES Radeon VII derived + ray tracing hardware + couple of Navi tweaks (why did Phil appear at the launch of Radeon VII??)
- - ray tracing is part of the next iteration of DirectX and XBox means (Direct)XBox
- - it has been mentioned that they want to use the same hardware in the data center and in consoles - Radeon VII is primarily compute focused
- - it has been mentioned that they want to include ML hardware acceleration - Radeon VII is primarily compute focused
- - I doubt they will blink at using HBM to get massive bandwidth as it is valuable for both data center apps and gaming
- Sony on the other hand will have more IP from Navi at their fingertips - much more of the tech will be focused on their specific patents
- Microsoft will get 12+ tflops + HBM2 + upclocked Zen2 in Anaconda - by pushing clocks and using excellent cooling as in X
- Sony will have lower raw tflops (9-10 tflops), but will focus on clever tricks to push similar levels of visuals without needing the raw power - see PS4Pro's ID buffer for H/W support for checkerboard rendering - I expect to see more Navi tweaks like this
- Sony will have lower clocked CPU than Microsoft - historically this has always been the case and I don't see it changing this time
- Sony may use GDDR6 or HBM2 not sure on this as they have a history of funky RAM in the past (PS2 rambus)
Indeed, glad somebody injected some reality into this narrative.
Sony and MS can just ask AMD for some specific tweaks, some accents they want in their machines. No way they are heavily involved in designing the actual silicon. They create the specs, AMD tries to deliver that.
This is probably just a coincidence with namings because naming scheme is similar to previous Sony SoCs. Or maybe it's not)
Will be interesting if MS make the first move. Mainly as they made the last move with 1X so they could piss people off. But you can argue they need to make moves to try and gain on Sony. And Sony are presumably perfectly happy to allow MS to be making these comments etc for now without responding - keeping their powder dry I assume.
But if MS do announce formally before Sony, I would expect Sony to start some spoiling PR like they did with Dreamcast - worth waiting for etc (that's if the gap between MS announcement and Sony's preferred timing is relatively large)
But if MS do announce formally before Sony, I would expect Sony to start some spoiling PR like they did with Dreamcast - worth waiting for etc (that's if the gap between MS announcement and Sony's preferred timing is relatively large)
RT can be done on current gen consoles with software based RT, its just super limited, even killzone shadowfall had a limited ray traced reflections for effects. Which is probably what MS will do as well, software based ray tracing that will barely get used.
LOL this vid is up for already 6 days. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60-dd0ERdY8&t=540s
Brad Sams spoke about this "reddit leak" and it appears to be a guess and not a leak
Brad Sams spoke about this "reddit leak" and it appears to be a guess and not a leak
I'd just like to plant my flag and note my prediction for the PS5 somewhere. I'm up to date on the rumors, but I'll still go with the following:
-8C/16T Zen2
-14-16 TF Custom Navi
-32 GB GDDR6 RAM
-2 TB SSD
$499.00
I know at this stage those specs just seem too unrealistic, but I think the perfect storm of hardware will come together for this. SSD prices will continue to plummet as we're already seeing. There was that rumor that Sony wants more RAM in the PS5, I think they're going to push for a 4x increase over the PS4. Navi is still a massive unknown, but we've been sitting on this rumor of Sony and AMD partnering heavily for its development. I am not going to believe that all of that money and effort, on a 7nm process no less, will be dumped into producing a GPU just a tad more powerful than the one in the (then) 3 year old Xbox One X. I know Navi TF's might not be comparable to TF's in current gen machines, but still. Cooling and fan noise has been a complaint on PS4/Pro so I think we can say without a doubt that it is one of the priorities they will focus on with the PS5. No clue what cooling solution they'll go with but I think it'll allow them to push for higher clocks.
I know some people want to look at what they've done historically with clock speeds and all, but with the PS4 they pretty much had to just go with whatever AMD had available and make the best of it. With Navi they've had many years to work with AMD, and if the rumors are true about their level of involvement then I think we have to toss the history books out the window. I mean, when was the last time Sony was able to properly control the development of their GPU pretty much from the ground up with many years of lead time? PS4, they had to just go with what AMD had in the APU. PS3 their plans for Cell fell apart and they had to scramble to put something together with Nvidia. I don't know enough about the history of the PS2 or 1 to say how that went. This is their first chance in generations to get exactly what they want. They have the money to pull it off since they're in a far better position financially, they've got the clout with AMD to pull it off with their position as the market leader. I think they're going to take full advantage and build a monster.
Also, I'd guess they'd take upwards of a $100.00 loss on each console to make this a reality. It's also worth keeping in mind that when negotiating with component suppliers that they can not only point to the impressive sales numbers of the PS4 but they will also be ordering a shitload of additional components for the PS Now servers. I'd imagine the increase in order volume should help them to negotiate even better prices.
So yeah... my prediction with reasoning (relatively flimsy as it might be). It's what my gut says and I'll stand by it.
-8C/16T Zen2
-14-16 TF Custom Navi
-32 GB GDDR6 RAM
-2 TB SSD
$499.00
I know at this stage those specs just seem too unrealistic, but I think the perfect storm of hardware will come together for this. SSD prices will continue to plummet as we're already seeing. There was that rumor that Sony wants more RAM in the PS5, I think they're going to push for a 4x increase over the PS4. Navi is still a massive unknown, but we've been sitting on this rumor of Sony and AMD partnering heavily for its development. I am not going to believe that all of that money and effort, on a 7nm process no less, will be dumped into producing a GPU just a tad more powerful than the one in the (then) 3 year old Xbox One X. I know Navi TF's might not be comparable to TF's in current gen machines, but still. Cooling and fan noise has been a complaint on PS4/Pro so I think we can say without a doubt that it is one of the priorities they will focus on with the PS5. No clue what cooling solution they'll go with but I think it'll allow them to push for higher clocks.
I know some people want to look at what they've done historically with clock speeds and all, but with the PS4 they pretty much had to just go with whatever AMD had available and make the best of it. With Navi they've had many years to work with AMD, and if the rumors are true about their level of involvement then I think we have to toss the history books out the window. I mean, when was the last time Sony was able to properly control the development of their GPU pretty much from the ground up with many years of lead time? PS4, they had to just go with what AMD had in the APU. PS3 their plans for Cell fell apart and they had to scramble to put something together with Nvidia. I don't know enough about the history of the PS2 or 1 to say how that went. This is their first chance in generations to get exactly what they want. They have the money to pull it off since they're in a far better position financially, they've got the clout with AMD to pull it off with their position as the market leader. I think they're going to take full advantage and build a monster.
Also, I'd guess they'd take upwards of a $100.00 loss on each console to make this a reality. It's also worth keeping in mind that when negotiating with component suppliers that they can not only point to the impressive sales numbers of the PS4 but they will also be ordering a shitload of additional components for the PS Now servers. I'd imagine the increase in order volume should help them to negotiate even better prices.
So yeah... my prediction with reasoning (relatively flimsy as it might be). It's what my gut says and I'll stand by it.
WOW!!! WHO COULD HAVE KNOWN THE LEAK WAS FAKE
i am honestly shocked it took that long to accept that its fake.
That leak was how to make a fake 101.
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