How people know the rdna 2 vs 1 has increase in perf/teraflop ? For example vega 56 and 64 were a quite step back. So we don't know before rdna2 benchmarks (and generaly bigger gpus are less effective)
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Next-gen PS5 and next Xbox speculation launch thread |OT8| - The Dark Tower (See Staff Post)
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But PS5 is more powerful than 12TF nextbox, I don't see Sony fans being upset :)
Edit: just having fun here, I don't know if PS5 is more powerful or not.
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No, he just said PS5 is a bit more powerful.
That does not translate TFs.
FLOPS were in operation long before I started gaming. They will be here long after I am gone. I have no use trying to change their meaning to suit any side of the debate.
He got a warning for it LOL. Sometimes I do not understand the Mods here.
I made another PS5 concept. This one seems better I think. Still has the V shape.
wow really nice! Sony had always great design and I would totally believe this being the real thing. Somehow I immediately thought of the Cybertruck, don't know why because it looks better than the truck :-)
Klee said it is even a bit over 12 TF RDNA and I think at the moment he is the most trustworthy insider here. BUT and that is a big but it could be that the Devkit is indeed 12.1 TF and the retail Box will only be 10TF? I think that we can not get the real numbers from the 2x PR talk and we have to wait. I have to admit I do not believe in 12 TF but having 12 - 13 TF XSX and PS5 would be amazing.
I don't know that, he hasn't said. But he hasn't said he has more TFs either.
Who is questioning Microsoft's wording? Folks are trying to get a specific TFlops measurement from a statement pretty much designed to give an approximation.
It makes perfect sense to use analogous statements related to previous performance versus yelling numbers the general public doesn't understand.
Well
PS5 is Muhammad Ali
Xbox is Sonny Liston
Speed > Power bros. World's fastest console is coming to take the crown
I think it's highly unlikely RDNA 2 has a big increase, it's a year later refresh with hybrid RT & VSR added on (at least for PC) not a new generation.
They can't get 12 TFLOPS out of 40 CU's i mean, so that's why it's like 70% sure PS5/SX use 50+ CU's or are 30% maybe just custom 5700 XT's & the GCN TFLOPS meme is refusing to die even in late 2019 & still causing confusion.
Belief in his information seems to be tied directly to which plastic box one prefers to play videogames on.
Power is not the same as performance.
To use cars as an analogy, two vehicles could both have 200 BHP but perform very differently.
I see the thread and gone backwards .
I hope Sny just comes out with TFLOP number to avoid all of this .
I hope Sny just comes out with TFLOP number to avoid all of this .
There is a reason I like Klobrille hmqgg and Matt. Come in with clear information, interact a bit, go along and wait and see how it all pans out. Same thing I like with tomwarren and Brad Sams.
If you believe in your information, put out the numbers and let time prove you right or wrong. I have seen the numbers but won't disclose them......better off keeping that shit to yourself. This has always been my personal opinion when it comes to next gen game threads.
If you believe in your information, put out the numbers and let time prove you right or wrong. I have seen the numbers but won't disclose them......better off keeping that shit to yourself. This has always been my personal opinion when it comes to next gen game threads.
I WANT super powerful consoles.
Hell I'm one of the few people here who voted $699 because I would totally pay that if the system was that much of a monster on the GPU side.
I'm all for the double SKU strategy, I just don't want the lower powered one to be as low as what is rumored for Lockhart.
I would like you to explain, in detail, how discussing the technological possibilities while using the context of what Microsoft explicitly states in regards to the machines GPU power, is either a tinfoil hat action or exercising in conspiracy theories.
No one? But there is a reason why you would want to nip wrong information in the butt. If it keeps lingering and the general public gets word that its 2x XbX and it isn't than you got unnecessary crap at your hands even if it's not your fault. I just think after the reveal of Xbox one you want to be as clear as possible and not let media go wild with there imagination.
Well the Xbox is powered by dreams so maybe the PS5 is powered by fairy dust and wishes?
The new xbox was made entirely in dreams? Now that is impressive
Please regale us with what Microsoft explicitly states. Because last I saw it was pretty simple.
Twice the GPU power of Xbox One X. Pretty straight forward.
Are you really going to act like he knows nothing? He had outdated info about one thing but all the other things he was right....but sure lets act that doesn't count.
He's respected and reliable among members of the old place.
And why an obscure Tflop counting debate has anything to do with him ?
He always said using Navi measure and he's not known for being partial.
Because there's more to a console than the GPU. At least that's what I've been told. 🤷♂️
Lmao.The ECC is proudly announce we are back to old habits. Let the cycle never be ended.
It's been one hell of a roller coaster.
My autocorrect changed coaster into disaster.
I would be shocked if that were to happen. Sony only has one model, and said model has to be reasonably priced in order to drive sales. I believe the console will be close enough hardware wise and a bit less expensive than the X.
So for you to feel better about the situation Microsoft's PR should have stated the below on all marketing materials
" twice the gpu power of xbox one x*"
* please note GPU power comparison is just simple TF mathematics. 6x2= 12 . Furthermore the theoretical TF comparison between RDNA and GCN isn't exactly 1:1 due to technological advances driven by next generation RDNA technology.
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Lol, I can only imagine the reactions if that were to happen. Sure they'd probably have to devote 50% of the BOM to cooling but it'd still be funny to watch 😁
Microsoft from what is advertising Game Pass is not focused on PS4 owners and they shouldn't be. They should focus on the other users, the Gen Z and Millennial users who use Netflix etc and are mobile and are not Console users. Having XCloud support Game Pass and having XCloud on PC, Android IOS and eventually, even Smart TVs and Switch is something Microsoft could have the massive success that Sony likely will never have, especially with Microsoft's pretty well-established presence.
Do you think Sony will be able to convince Samsung to preinstall its applications on Samsung Device? No, likely never will and historically Sony has lacked in establishing partnerships with other companies and gettng PSNow off the ground will be no different.
Regarding Sony, that was Sony at its peak, where they were an innovative company. But in the 2000s the Sony suffered and the innovation died with it. Everything they have released, cameras, TVs, Consoles etc aren't innovative products, they all have been conservative and PS5 will likely follow that conservative nature.
Another thing - if Phil was talking about teraflops - why would he say "we did the math and it comes out to twice as powerful".
It would be just be 12TF. No maths needed.
The math done was to effectively equate RDNA with GCN ...probably seeing the framerates of current gen games running on an XSX vs X1X (goddamn naming).
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It would be just be 12TF. No maths needed.
The math done was to effectively equate RDNA with GCN ...probably seeing the framerates of current gen games running on an XSX vs X1X (goddamn naming).
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The console to be silent is one of my top criteria, so I personally would absolutely be thrilled about something like that.
Because 12 point something doesn't have the same marketing ring as "Double the power"
God no. All 4 has left hints. Sometimes numbers, sometimes less. A lot like Klee.
The only difference is that if you trust them judging from their portfolio of comments or articles. Which is why, we trust them. They might get a few things wrong (which happens) but they've proven that they have sources. Which I do trust them too.
Brings me again, to Klee. I'm familiar with his work, thus I can trust that he has a source. If he's wrong then well, this is his big test. It also haven't stopped me from developing my own speculation.
I was afraid the drama would end and it'll be boring in the next gen thread.
God I love console launch year. I wish we get new consoles every two years. (I'll buy them all!)
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TFLOPS is not a standard metric for the real power of a GPU.
For example a AMD PC GPU can have more TFLOPS than a similar category Nvidia PC GPU but it is less powerful.
I think its going to be even worse next year if we have to take into account and the ray tracing performance.
And of course I am not saying that this will imply on next gen consoles. I am just saying how it can happen in general on GPUs.
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