I wasn't watching but I think this is it:Also, couldn't watch the game, does anyone have links to the hits y'all are talking about?
Let me preface this quesiton by saying that I don't watch hockey regularly, or have any reliable conception of its rules or mechanics. I've only kept up a little bit this year because I have a friend that's become an obsessive Tampa Bay band wagoner.
That said, can someone explain the suspensions and penalties on Kadri and Kucherov? To a casual observer they don't really look that any more vicious or brutal than the usual hits and checks that only merit a couple minutes in the penalty box. What did they do that was particularly dangerous or unsportsmanlike? Why is it that flat-out fighting after play has stopped is not penalized as harshly as in-game rough-housing? To be clear I'm not defending Kadri or Kucherov nor do I think that the league or its officials made the wrong call......I just can't discern what makes their behavior particularly egregious.
Let me preface this quesiton by saying that I don't watch hockey regularly, or have any reliable conception of its rules or mechanics. I've only kept up a little bit this year because I have a friend that's become an obsessive Tampa Bay band wagoner.
That said, can someone explain the suspensions and penalties on Kadri and Kucherov? To a casual observer they don't really look that any more vicious or brutal than the usual hits and checks that only merit a couple minutes in the penalty box. What did they do that was particularly dangerous or unsportsmanlike? Why is it that flat-out fighting after play has stopped is not penalized as harshly as in-game rough-housing? To be clear I'm not defending Kadri or Kucherov nor do I think that the league or its officials made the wrong call......I just can't discern what makes their behavior particularly egregious.
Both are easy suspensions. Dirty plays that don't belong in the game. The actions themselves can lead to injury... there's only a few things in hockey where they suspend you even with no injury and both kadri and kucherov did a couple of them. Other examples are spearing (literally using your stick as a spear), or using your stick as a baseball bat (two handed slash)
So the rules are more about safety than sportsmanship? It seems weirdly counter-intuitive, coming from watching NFL..... in football fighting in between plays will get you easily suspended or ejected, but a particularly nasty or unsafe hit during play only draws a yardage penalty or at worst some kind of monetary fine. I guess I understand the NHL rules since throwing fists is probably not going to hurt someone as bad as a full-speed check from behind against the boards. At the same time though I wonder why fighting isn't as harshly discouraged. I don't really mind or desire to see the fighting eliminated though.Can't comment on kucherov because I Never saw what he did but Kadris was pretty bad and he'll probably get minimum 3 games for it. He charged the guy and cross checked him ( hitting horizontally with your stick) in the face with an obvious intent to injure. Hitting someone with your stick, especially in the face, is not legal because it can cause some bad injuries (knocking out teeth, broken noses, losing eyes etc.).
As far as fighting is concerned, you actually can get suspended if you're involved in multiple fights in a night. Fighting however is not really ever used in an actual attempt to injure someone. It's about honor, sticking up for your teammates or trying to fire up your team. Most fights amount to a bunch of grappling with few to no punches actually landing. I've never heard of any player severely injured after a fight. A bloody nose maybe but nothing incredibly serious.
So the rules are more about safety than sportsmanship? It seems weirdly counter-intuitive, coming from watching NFL..... in football fighting in between plays will get you easily suspended or ejected, but a particularly nasty or unsafe hit during play only draws a yardage penalty or at worst some kind of monetary fine. I guess I understand the NHL rules since throwing fists is probably not going to hurt someone as bad as a full-speed check from behind against the boards. At the same time though I wonder why fighting isn't as harshly discouraged. I don't really mind or desire to see the fighting eliminated though.
This is the Kucherov hit, just for reference:
I say this: what Kadri did was entirely his fault, and no one elses. HOWEVER, the refs did let that game get way out of hand. Not excusing it. It's just they failed to set the tone like refs should. They are to blame for the environment, not the actions. That very first debrusk nonsense on kadri, should have been a penalty on debrusk alone. That shit with debrusk on dermott should have been a penalty... that knee by debrusk should have been a 2 and 10 (if he was still being wreckless at that point)
penalties aren't just giving a team advantages, they are setting the standard of acceptability. you don't call things and it's going to get out of hand. And it did. Leafs would have likely still lost, boston would have likely not have done all the stupid shit they did and kadri wouldn't have been so hot headed and stupid like he gets. doesn't mean he wouldn't have done something stupid, just the odds of it would be much lower.
Call both teams fair and strict, don't just call one for petty shit and the other gets away with pretty much everything. Like... fuck. All that does is fuck up the whole game and it's not enjoyable to watch and makes it even more aggravating to play. Dirty shit needs to be stamped out when it happens to prevent it from happening again. That's the point of it all.
So the rules are more about safety than sportsmanship? It seems weirdly counter-intuitive, coming from watching NFL..... in football fighting in between plays will get you easily suspended or ejected, but a particularly nasty or unsafe hit during play only draws a yardage penalty or at worst some kind of monetary fine. I guess I understand the NHL rules since throwing fists is probably not going to hurt someone as bad as a full-speed check from behind against the boards. At the same time though I wonder why fighting isn't as harshly discouraged. I don't really mind or desire to see the fighting eliminated though.
This is the Kucherov hit, just for reference:
Well yeah, at least in my experience baseball and football have always in part been about setting a good example for all the kids watching......so it makes sense to heavily penalize unsportsmanlike behavior. Hockey is just more pragmatic I suppose.....trying to eliminate behavior that leads to permanent or significant injury, and not worrying if some young viewer gets the wrong idea.It honestly does make more sense to me as I would rather they eliminate unsafe plays that are gonna get someone hurt than plays that could be considered unsportsmanlike.
the hits part, for example... has rules. must hit shoulder to shoulder or chest. or hip on hip or whatever. the person you're hitting must have the puck or had the puck within like a second. and you must hit them head on or side to side. you must not leave your feet and cannot use your elbow or target the head. also cannot take many strides before hitting. cannot hit from behind and don't hit someone in a vulnerable position (like if there's room between them and the boards) so hitting outside of those conditions can get you in trouble. a lot of time it's interference, charging, elbowing or hit targeting the head penalties. You can injure players and be fine... as long as the hit is done in the proper conditions.
Well yeah, at least in my experience baseball and football have always in part been about setting a good example for all the kids watching......so it makes sense to heavily penalize unsportsmanlike behavior. Hockey is just more pragmatic I suppose.....trying to eliminate behavior that leads to permanent or significant injury, and not worrying if some young viewer gets the wrong idea.
At least to me, the Kucherov hit looks like a side-to-side check. Is the problem that the player he hit was barely on his knees? Or was that considered a hit from behind?
Well yeah, at least in my experience baseball and football have always in part been about setting a good example for all the kids watching......so it makes sense to heavily penalize unsportsmanlike behavior. Hockey is just more pragmatic I suppose.....trying to eliminate behavior that leads to permanent or significant injury, and not worrying if some young viewer gets the wrong idea.
At least to me, the Kucherov hit looks like a side-to-side check. Is the problem that the player he hit was barely on his knees? Or was that considered a hit from behind?
Also despite the fact that it went to OT, the avs flames series has been incredibly boring. I hope it opens up more soon.
What does it mean when you say someone jumps off of their skates? What constitutes charging?but there's certain things you can't do. some things they will give you punishment based on the result instead of the action. like jumping off your skates before a hit may not injure the player so it's just a charging penalty.
What does it mean when you say someone jumps off of their skates? What constitutes charging?
So like if someone jumps off their skates in the act of a hit so you're basically flying at the player, that's charging. Also taking like 5 strides before hitting someone is also charging because you're going full speed into a hit.
Bennett is a walking charging penalty, the dude cannot stay on his skates when he hits. There was the Cole hit at the end of the 3rd and then this seconds before Cole's penalty in OT
Meh they were plays I could understand why the official would miss it. Glad it didn't have an impact.Frustrating to see that and the two leaping hits by Bennett go uncalled but that small trip by Brassard or the weak interference on Zadorov get called.
Meh they were plays I could understand why the official would miss it. Glad it didn't have an impact.
Judge for yourself:From what I read (I didn't watch the game) DeBrusk played dirty hockey all night long and didn't get called.
It's interesting hearing everyone complain about non-calls when at least 2/3 of Preds-Stars was officiated like a regular season game and social media was complaining about the refs not letting anyone play.
Montresor the Leafs and bruins match up fine physically.
The game was called differently for both teams. No roster decision can account for that. Two of the leafs penalties were non-existent. Third one was super super weak. Then you have Bs elbowing, punching, high sticking without penalty... It's easy to understand why that game looked bad, but blame the refs for that shit.
With that said, none of the goals were even the result of the bruins being better than the Leafs. Goals 1, 2 and 3 were direct results of errors by muzzin and Nylander. 4th was on the Kadri major.
Leafs didn't utilize their speed and their skill and got sucked into the bruins game.