You have no argument. I ask again what has more historical precedence? Will you answer or will you just push more that Voice Acting AI yeah that's totally the battle that will save us from facing actual issues looming over an actual majority of people?
Going like universal income will never happen but then on the other hand going let's stop technological progress instead is for sure a stance....
Realistically speaking given that labor displacement will affects tons more people over the next 100 years there is a much bigger chance of movement for universal income happening than all the voice actors uniting and stopping AI from advancing.... Like again you're completely barking at the wrong tree.
Gotcha so you just wanna cry and be a doomer but don't actually wanna engage in anything else.At the end of the day, people need to come together and realize that automation's net end is the obliteration of the entire socio-economic system that allows people to rise out of poverty. That is what will happen. Rich people jobs - the kinds of jobs you can nepotism into or buy your way into with a fancy business school degree - won't get automated away, but the jobs that unskilled and entry-level workers need to get to grow and move through the world and accumulate income will be obliterated and replaced with nothing. It's the technological equivalent of a couple dudes finding the ladder up and then pulling it up behind them so nobody can follow.
This is what is happening, and this will only continue as automation progresses. Capitalism is not going away, and it's fantasy-land to believe it would. Who the fuck do you think is going to allow it to happen? The American government? The Japanese government? China? Russia? Who the fuck is going to go "yeah capitalism sure was a mistake, let's just give everyone enough money to not only scrape by, but to live well enough to pursue their dreams and desires!"
Because guess what? If UBI doesn't give people enough money to actually live a GOOD LIFE and not just scrape by, you still have capitalism, only now there are less jobs for everyone to fight over! Congratulations!
If everyone receives UBI everyone will be poor, capitalism won't stop existing, it will get worse
Gotcha so you just wanna cry and be a doomer but don't actually wanna engage in anything else.
Sorry I wasted my time. You can't even acknowledge anything I asked you you're just rewriting another doomer post while not having addressed a single thing.
Humanity have you heard planetsmasher already foreseen us being fucked lets all also stop voting. Nothing will ever get better or is worth fighting we all already lost. Sorry that's the exact internet clown shit people make fun off.
Gotcha so you just wanna cry and be a doomer but don't actually wanna engage in anything else.
Sorry I wasted my time. You can't even acknowledge anything I asked you you're just rewriting another doomer post while not having addressed a single thing.
Humanity have you heard planetsmasher already foreseen us being fucked lets all also stop voting. Nothing will ever get better or is worth fighting we all already lost. Sorry that's the exact internet clown shit people make fun off.
Others are doomers for saying change will never happen over something that's going to affect a majority of humanity while also insisting that crying over voice ai is the battle we should unite on.Others are "doomers" for saying capitalism won't magically end?
Others are doomers for saying change will never happen over something that's going to affect a majority of humanity while also insisting that crying over voice ai is the battle we should unite on.
Others are doomers for saying change will never happen over something that's going to affect a majority of humanity while also insisting that crying over voice ai is the battle we should unite on.
The latter also still has no more actionable road that I'm seeing than yall crying on this forum. While the former will have an absolute massive of people having to reckon with the fact that there won't be enough activities left in the world to earn money through labor from.
Why change the goal post? My argument is stop crying on era on voice acting ai while also telling others "haha how cute UBI is a pipedream and even if it isn't it's just going to be a different kind of hell".Change will happen, but why believe it will be good when we hve evidence the elits couldn't care less about the working class?
Yes, and the answer of the rich people who will still have all the money will be "oh well, they should've worked harder".
Hey planet you ever going to answer to anything I mentioned and have like a normal conversation? Or are you just typing the next doomer post not actually responding to a single thing I said?
What's your actionable road map to stop technological progress? What's your evidence on technological progress being feasible more stoppable than changing living conditions for am affected majority when you look back at history. How does era factor into your master plan of telling everyone we already lost the fight in the latter?
Yes tell us about it instead of just claiming. Tell us your brilliant plan to stop AI development and how you'd mobilize for it.It's a lot more fundamentally believable - and a lot more POSSIBLE - to flat-out ban development of AI that's designed to put people out of work than it is to literally kill capitalism.
What makes you think banning AI is more feasible or even feasible at all? People have been getting automated out of jobs for years. Makes a lot more sense to try to at least build some kind of safety net for all this than to try to fight against technology advancement.It's a lot more fundamentally believable - and a lot more POSSIBLE - to flat-out ban development of AI that's designed to put people out of work than it is to literally kill capitalism.
Does this energy also apply to people who work for Fiverr, Mechanical Turk, and H1-B Visas?"Digital scab" is a good way to pay it. Because of course the AI is gonna be built off the talent of real people to work anyway.
Same thing with AI painting.
It's hilarious too considering these companies could absolutely pay voice actors normally (as well as their workers) but you can be sure all that money saved isn't going towards a better workplace.
Doing either of those would take an incredible amount of political will regardless. You think it's not feasible for capitalism to ever go away but that it is feasible that we're going to put a giant handbrake on it, at the expense of the capitalists who set up the system? How does that make any sense?It's a lot more fundamentally believable - and a lot more POSSIBLE - to flat-out ban development of AI that's designed to put people out of work than it is to literally kill capitalism.
Fuck automation, how many more developers would the game industry employ if everyone just writes assembly code like in the 80s? I bet Rockstar would have to hire ten thousand programmers to make GTAVI that way. That's nine thousand high-paid jobs created out of thin air..................... We currently are at the lowest unemployment rate in US history.
I think we have an OK amount of jobs currently.
Hard to look at gaming in particular, which has leapt from needing 50 people to make a big game in 2005 to around 300-1200 now, and think that we're running out of jobs.
Trials of Mana remake is fine.
Nope, now the thread dies with most people ignoring the follow up. It's not spicy.
To be fair to OP, that's the title of the article that was linked. It is a really exaggerated article though. Should probably be updated.Thread title seems to be objectively wrong now. "Ninja Theory" "over people"
Yeah. People in this thread seem to think that once jobs have been made obsolete by technology there are then permanently less jobs forever, but this has happened literally for all of humanities history and there are still jobs for most people out there. New jobs are created and more people will start working in other fields..................... We currently are at the lowest unemployment rate in US history.
I think we have an OK amount of jobs currently.
Hard to look at gaming in particular, which has leapt from needing 50 people to make a big game in 2005 to around 300-1200 now, and think that we're running out of jobs.
I think, at least on ResetERA, it boils down to creatives vs non-creative jobs. A creative person losing their job is losing their hobby and what they love, if someone that does physical labor that was automated away loses their job, it isn't as big of a deal because they can just find another similar job!Yeah. People in this thread seem to think that once jobs have been made obsolete by technology there are then permanently less jobs forever, but this has happened literally for all of humanities history and there are still jobs for most people out there. New jobs are created and more people will start working in other fields.
In the past the majority of people worked in primary occupations (resource gathering) now most people work in tertiary occupations (service jobs).
I don't thik the title should be changed, since is the exact title of the article.To be fair to OP, that's the title of the article that was linked. It is a really exaggerated article though. Should probably be updated.
We are so far away from AI giving us full AAA voice acting performances. Right now and for a long time, it'll probably be limited to indie games, experimental games, testing in AAA games, and side characters/random NPCs. In the future, technically AI can take every job, this isn't a "gotcha".People will continue to gloat about this in this thread, but you would have to be incredibly naive to believe this is the end point of the usage of this technology. GG tho
Those voices make me want to hammer nails into my ears.
I assume voices used for learning are consented from actors, and not lifted whole sale from their previous work?
There tends to be a lot of selective outrage when it comes to stuff like this. I don't think too many people are going into threads about self driving car technology to talk about how disgusting it is to replace taxi/ride share drivers and delivery people.
And similarly (tho on the extreme side), nobody has a problem telling coal workers to retrain and find something that isn't terrible for the environment.
Let's be consistent. You can't only get mad for the arts or when it's gaming.
Every game to be voiced by that one female AI singing voice
some people just love overreacting.The original responses to this based off almost no information is pretty funny.
"hur durr tech always replaces jobs, nothing new!" as if generating art and commodifying simulacrum of human expression is synonymous with a tractor pulling a plow....we're talking about the game industry here. Its going to jump on that as soon as its viable under the veil that smaller devs can have implement voice acting. Seems like Ninja Theory isn't even using it for that so its not there yet.