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TheSentry42

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When's the last time a mainline Zelda game outsold a mainline Mario game on the same console, if ever?
 

Mivey

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Impressive thread, just going through it now.

But I feel it's lacking a vital comparison. We know the Mario Kart series over its franchise lifetime has been bought in huge numbers, and there's been a ton of video game systems being sold over the years since the SNES came out, including non-Nintendo platforms.
If only someone could compare these two totally related numbers. Perhaps using a pie chart.
 

ILikeFeet

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Impressive thread, just going through it now.

But I feel it's lacking a vital comparison. We know the Mario Kart series over its franchise lifetime has been bought in huge numbers, and there's been a ton of video game systems being sold over the years since the SNES came out, including non-Nintendo platforms.
If only someone could compare these two totally related numbers. Perhaps using a pie chart.
someone actually did an updated version in another thread
 

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Celine

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E3 2005: Reggie jokes about all the figures being spelt by the rivals by stating that for Nintendo only one number had to be remembered: "2", as in 2 billions games (total software) sold on Nintendo consoles.
Reggie jokes about console specs for 360 -- offers another number: "2." As in "2 billion games sold by Nintendo." Says it's just the beginning. "Nintendo is not an 'or' company. Nintendo is an 'and' company." Talks about how Nintendo is about "change" -- and how more change is on the way. "We exist for the love the game." Reggie promises a new dimension of gameplay on DS.

December 2020: Nintendo published (first-party) million sellers' total sales surpass 2 billion games.

To give you an idea of the road traveled in the last 15 years, as December 2003 Nintendo published million sellers' total sales were 694 million units.
 
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Limabean01

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Oct 29, 2017
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WA, australia
so, the only franchises left to not have their best seller on switch (that are still alive) are:

- 2D Mario
- Pokemon
- Donkey Kong
- Metroid
- Yoshi
- Kirby
- Wario
- Mario RPG

i see these as fitting into three categories. those that just haven't had their big NEW mainline release yet & have a good chance (DK, Metroid, Wario); those whose franchise peak is too high to realistically reach (2D Mario, Pokemon); and those who've had a release already, and may either leg it there eventually with said release OR need a new, more modern take to reach the top (Yoshi, Kirby, Mario RPG).

in conclusion... we could honestly see a situation where its only pokemon and 2d mario that don't have their all-time peak on switch. metroid will easily get there, DK and wario surely have a shot, origami king might leg it out, and depending on their next entries yoshi and kirby have a fighting chance. at the very least all of them will have or already have a top 3 entry on switch, insane stuff.
 
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Celine

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NSW is just 30M units away from surpassing DS first-party software* sales.
While currently NSW has an install base similar in size to 3DS and GBA, it has already sold much more software (first-party software* and total software) than both.
Nintendo is the embodiment of the first-party driven model, it could be inferred that on average (including first-party games that sold less than 1 million units) more than 40% of the software sales on Nintendo platforms were from Nintendo published games**.

* What is referred as "First-party software" is actually an approximation calculated by summing every million-seller.
Since most Nintendo games sell at least 1 million units it should be a close enough approximation.
** Digital only games are excluded from the counting.


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Amazing thread.

Looks like Switch's first party game sales will fly past the Wii's. Already possible to happen by the end of calendar year 2021, because 2020 had first party sales of more than 100 million units.
 
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Celine

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Recently NSW surpassed the 3DS hardware sales launch aligned in Japan.
While 3DS total hardware sales are still quite higher than the current NSW install base the first-party software sales already looks notably stronger on NSW:

Nintendo (and TPC) million sellers total sales in Japan on 3DS: 37.95M
Nintendo (and TPC) million sellers total sales in Japan on NSW as December 2020 : 44.01M

Nintendo (and TPC) million sellers + other games that appeared on financial reports total sales in Japan on 3DS: 45.79M
Nintendo (and TPC) million sellers + other games that appeared on financial reports total sales in Japan on NSW as December 2020 : 52.77M
 

Beatle

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Software ratios don't really count for much with more modern hardware due to Nintendo not counting Digital

But it amazes me how much 3rd parties have sold on Nintendo systems when you look at the raw numbers
 
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Celine

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Nintendo sales data split by the broad platform usage category (as December 2020):

TV consoles total hardware sales: 280.87M
Handheld consoles total hardware sales: 430.16M
Tabletop consoles total hardware sales: 0.77M
Hybrid consoles total hardware sales: 79.87M

TV consoles total software sales: 2337.77M
Handheld consoles total software sales: 2213.10M
Tabletop consoles total software sales: ?
Hybrid consoles total software sales: 532.34M

TV consoles total first-party software* sales: 886.46M
Handheld consoles total first-party software* sales: 832.65M
Tabletop consoles total first-party software* sales: ?
Hybrid consoles total first-party software* sales: 281.07M


TV consoles: NES, SNES, N64, GC, Wii, WiiU
Handheld consoles: GB, GBA, DS, 3DS
Tabletop consoles: VB
Hybrid consoles: NSW

* What is referred as "First-party software" is actually an approximation calculated by summing every million-seller.
Since most Nintendo games sell at least 1 million units it should be a close enough approximation.
 
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Celine

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Total video game consoles sold by console manufacturer by March 2021 (in million units; only standalone consoles with interchangeable software).
In two/three quarters Nintendo should brake the 800M threshold.
Since the inception of the PlayStation brand of consoles Nintendo has sold around 95 million consoles more than Sony.

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Celine

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I've updated the original post with th latest set of data as March 2021.
I've added a chart for R&D and Advertising expenses and a chart for Gross Profit Ratio, Operating Profit Ratio and Net Profit Ratio

A few random observation:

- Finally Super Mario 3D Land (3DS) has outsold Super Mario Galaxy (Wii) thus has become the second best selling Mario 3D game. It took forever!
- If memory serves me right it's the first time any Wii top sellers don't sell additional copies.
- 3DS new hardware shipment seems to have stopped so 75.94M is likely going to be the console definitive LTD.
- NSW first-party software total sales are on the verge to surpass the DS first-party software total sales.
- NSW now has the highest number of 10M+ seliing first-party games of any Nintendo consoles (11 and counting!).
 
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Catalyst

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Also, Pokémon Sun and Moon has outsold Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire on GBA. So now the generations ranked by sales are,

1. Red & Blue
2. Gold & Silver
3. Sword & Shield
4. Diamond & Pearl
5. X & Y
6. Sun & Moon
7. Ruby & Sapphire
8. Black & White
 

Tbone5189

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Also, Pokémon Sun and Moon has outsold Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire on GBA. So now the generations ranked by sales are,

1. Red & Blue
2. Gold & Silver
3. Sword & Shield
4. Diamond & Pearl
5. X & Y
6. Sun & Moon
7. Ruby & Sapphire
8. Black & White

insane how BW is at the damn bottom lol, but it is the only one with direct sequels, and I think the only one that came out soooo late in a console life cycle
 
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Celine

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Donkey Kong Country had sold nearly 7.5 million units by March 1995.
Nintendo total hardware sales exceeded 141 million units by March 1995, to be exact 141.49M.

Above I've writtten how Nintendo announced at E3 that they had achieved total software sales of 2 billion games in 2005.
During 1995 Nintendo achieved total software sales of 1 billion games.
 
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Celine

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Some Game Boy annual software sell-in before 1998, unfortunately I miss the data for 3 fiscal years.
Be aware that for the data pre 1998 is likely "shipments to subsidiaries" instead of "shipments to retailers".

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Simba1

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Great job like always.

Its crazy to think that Switch already has 11 games that are 10m+ seller and whitout any bundle,
Wii had 9 games that were 10m+ sellers but good part of those games were bundles.
 

P Diddy

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I just realized something: Switch could sell-in a BILLION software without digital only software by March 2023. Currently, it is at 587.12 Million software sell-in as of March 2021, so it would "only" need to average around 206.5M for the next two years to do so.
 

Tbone5189

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I just realized something: Switch could sell-in a BILLION software without digital only software by March 2023. Currently, it is at 587.12 Million software sell-in as of March 2021, so it would "only" need to average around 206.5M for the next two years to do so.

next 2 years could be NSW peak years too (hw)
 

TheSentry42

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Nov 2, 2017
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I just realized something: Switch could sell-in a BILLION software without digital only software by March 2023. Currently, it is at 587.12 Million software sell-in as of March 2021, so it would "only" need to average around 206.5M for the next two years to do so.

How many consoles have achieved over a billion software sold?
 
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Celine

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How many consoles have achieved over a billion software sold?
Only PS2 and PS4.
PS3 is very close, at 999.4M.

It's not known if Xbox 360 has done it.

The peculiarity with Nintendo (aside the fact that they don't count digital-only games) is that it adopts a first-party driven strategy which means their business model put more emphasis on strong first-party software sales at the expenses of third-party software sales which "hurt" the total software sales (which, on PlayStation and Xbox, is composed in large part of third-party software) but have some other positive aspects (high profitability, lower dependency on external factors, capacity to popularize unprecedented concepts by relying only on in-house software).
 
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Peleo

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Nov 2, 2017
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Updated as of March 2020:

Quite late to the party, but I've update the charts and include a few other categories (Luigi's Mansion, Mario Sports and Zelda Remakes)

Top 3 Average Sales per Franchise
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*Splatoon only includes 2 games

2D MARIO SALES
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Blue = Home Console ; Yellow = Handheld Console ; Green = Hybrid Console

3D MARIO SALES
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Blue = Home Console ; Yellow = Handheld Console ; Green = Hybrid Console

ANIMAL CROSSING SALES
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Blue = Home Console ; Yellow = Handheld Console

DONKEY KONG SALES
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Blue = Home Console ; Yellow = Handheld Console ; Green = Hybrid Console
Titles marked with * lack official sales numbers

FIRE EMBLEM SALES
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Blue = Home Console ; Yellow = Handheld Console ; Green = Hybrid Console
Titles marked with * lack official sales numbers
Only includes Western released titles

F-ZERO SALES
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Blue = Home Console ; Yellow = Handheld Console
Titles marked with * lack official sales numbers

KIRBY SALES
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Blue = Handheld Console; Yellow = Home Console ; Green = Hybrid Console
Titles marked with * lack official sales numbers

LUIGI'S MANSION SALES
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Blue = Home Console ; Yellow = Handheld Console ; Green = Hybrid Console

MARIO KART SALES
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Blue = Home Console ; Yellow = Handheld Console ; Green = Hybrid Console

MARIO PARTY SALES
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Blue = Home Console ; Yellow = Handheld Console ; Green = Hybrid Console
Titles marked with * lack official sales numbers

MARIO RPG SALES
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Blue = Paper Mario ; Yellow = Mario & Luigi
Titles marked with * lack official sales numbers

MARIO TENNIS SALES
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Blue = Home Console ; Yellow = Handheld Console ; Green = Hybrid Console
Titles marked with * lack official sales numbers

MARIO SPORTS
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Blue = Home Console ; Yellow = Handheld Console ; Green = Hybrid Console
Titles marked with * lack official sales numbers[

METROID SALES
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Blue = Home Console ; Yellow = Handheld Console ; Green = Hybrid Console
Titles marked with * lack official sales numbers

PIKMIN SALES
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Blue = Home Console ; Yellow = Handheld Console; Green = Hybrid Console
Titles marked with * lack official sales numbers

POKEMON SALES
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Blue = Original Version ; Yellow = Third Version ; Green = Remake

SMASH BROS SALES
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Blue = Home Console ; Yellow = Handheld Console ; Green = Hybrid Console


SPLATOON & ARMS SALES
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Blue = Home Console ; Green = Hybrid Console

STAR FOX SALES
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Blue = Home Console ; Yellow = Handheld Console
Titles marked with * lack official sales numbers

WARIO SALES
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Blue = Wario Land ; Yellow = Wario Ware
Titles marked with * lack official sales numbers

YOSHI SALES
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Blue = Home Console ; Yellow = Handheld Console ; Green = Hybrid Console
Titles marked with * lack official sales numbers

ZELDA SALES
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Blue = Home Console ; Yellow = Handheld Console ; Green = Hybrid Console
Titles marked with * lack official sales numbers

Zelda Remake Sales
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Blue = Home Console ; Yellow = Handheld Console ; Green = Hybrid Console
Titles marked with * lack official sales numbers

NINTENDO HARDWARE SALES
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Blue = Home Console ; Yellow = Handheld Console ; Green = Hybrid Console


TOP 3 GAMES PER CONSOLE
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Blue = Home Console ; Yellow = Handheld Console ; Green = Hybrid Console
Wii Sports had to be split in half since it was skewing the graph too much.

TOP 3 GAMES PER FRANCHISE
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Blue = Home Console ; Yellow = Handheld Console ; Green = Hybrid Console
Titles marked with * lack official sales numbers

All graphs based on OP.
 

Nitpicker_Red

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Nov 3, 2017
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All graphs based on OP.
Isn't there an issue in some numbers? You seem to differenciate between "no data (past)" that get 0.1 as default value and "no data (future)" that get 0 as default value.
See Mario Sports graph, Metroid graph, Wario graph.
Edit: Ah I see! I guess it's to indicate home/portable split. It feels a bit misleading when numbers get believably low. \o/
Erratum:
Metroid Zero Mission is lacking a *
Zelda Four Swords, AC Amiibo Festival don't have the 0.1 convention
F Zero GX has two **
 
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Celine

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I've updated OP with the latest batch of data as June 2021.

Random trivia:
- NSW first-party software sales* have surpassed DS first-party software sales*.
- Super Mario 3D World + Boswer's Fury has become a million seller in Japan whereas Ring Fit Adventure has crossed 3 million units and Mario Kart 8 DX has reached 5 million units in the land of the rising sun.

* What is referred as "First-party software" is actually an approximation calculated by summing every million-seller.
Since most Nintendo games sell at least 1 million units it should be a close enough approximation.
 

Gartooth

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Oct 25, 2017
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Great update Celine!

Any idea when we could see updated numbers for software that was last recorded as of June 2020? I assume we are awaiting a new White Paper for that but just curious.
 
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Celine

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I won't update the data in the OP anymore here.
It was made abundantly clear that this place [the staff or part of it] don't have regard for the efforts it takes to compile data nor understand that it's the aggregation of a small group of dedicated people that matter (after all it's a pretty niche subject!), not the platform which is just an empty host.

Good luck boys and girls.
 

Cantaim

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I won't update the data in the OP anymore here.
It was made abundantly clear that this place [the staff or part of it] don't have regard for the efforts it takes to compile data nor understand that it's the aggregation of a small group of dedicated people that matter (after all it's a pretty niche subject!), not the platform which is just an empty host.

Good luck boys and girls.
Thank you very much for all you've done Celine. It was an absolute pleasure reading what you put together.big you ever start a news letter or a self published blog that posts this information. I would love to know as I would be more then happy to follow it.
 
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Martin

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I won't update the data in the OP anymore here.
It was made abundantly clear that this place [the staff or part of it] don't have regard for the efforts it takes to compile data nor understand that it's the aggregation of a small group of dedicated people that matter (after all it's a pretty niche subject!), not the platform which is just an empty host.

Good luck boys and girls.
Thank you for all!!!
 

Jimmy Joe

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Aug 8, 2019
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I won't update the data in the OP anymore here.
It was made abundantly clear that this place [the staff or part of it] don't have regard for the efforts it takes to compile data nor understand that it's the aggregation of a small group of dedicated people that matter (after all it's a pretty niche subject!), not the platform which is just an empty host.

Good luck boys and girls.
Really appreciate all the work you put in, Celine! I'd reference this thread at least once or twice a month the entire time it's been up

Any chance you'll be continuing the work elsewhere, or at least keeping up an archive for your own purposes?
 

RennanNT

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I won't update the data in the OP anymore here.
It was made abundantly clear that this place [the staff or part of it] don't have regard for the efforts it takes to compile data nor understand that it's the aggregation of a small group of dedicated people that matter (after all it's a pretty niche subject!), not the platform which is just an empty host.

Good luck boys and girls.
Thank you very much for the hard work and, if possible, please let us know if you have plans outside here.
 

Zalman

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Oct 25, 2017
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I won't update the data in the OP anymore here.
It was made abundantly clear that this place [the staff or part of it] don't have regard for the efforts it takes to compile data nor understand that it's the aggregation of a small group of dedicated people that matter (after all it's a pretty niche subject!), not the platform which is just an empty host.

Good luck boys and girls.
This thread has been invaluable for me as a sales enthusiast. Really can't thank you enough for the hard work.