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Oct 25, 2017
7,174
I've found it morbidly striking to see how quickly this has snowballed. It's amazing that it just took one strong voice for all of Chuggaaconroy's victims to feel comfortable finally exposing him. Yet, at the same time, it's so sad to learn that are evidently so many people who have been preyed on by him, and that they've had to keep to themselves the pain he inflicted for so long. Truly, he is someone who is reaping what they sowed.
abusers get protected by silence.
 

Lebon30

Member
Oct 27, 2017
2,287
Canada
Tim reported that Emile is "someplace safe" that isn't home, and he has no access to his phone. He's been discreet about him getting "very serious help".
And later, Emile's GF talked to him, and said he sounded "heavily medicated".

Speculation but it sounds like Emile tried to off himself and he's been hospitalized. That would not be a good ending to this...

Also reported that ProtonJon no longer follows him on Twitter. The Runaway Guys is likely dead now.
I want to ask, can I have a link to where you learn about this? I originally asked in my "His career is over post" but, when I saw WatchTower's reddit link, I thought it was about that and so I quickly edited it out of the message I just sent. So, if it can't be posted here, can you send me a link (or more) via PM? Cheers.

Anyway, while his career is over and that I definitely against everything Chuggaa has done to his victims, I don't think his life should end because of that. It'd definitely be hard to build his life again though, no doubt. But suicide is never an option.

EDIT: Yes, I read NCS' reaction and small twitter thread. I feel that development came after that.
EDIT 2: corrected terminology.
 
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erlim

Member
Oct 26, 2017
5,513
London
This is freaking wild. This is so so clearly an open and shut case to imho, but I saw this trending on Twitter, and I just cannot fathom how people can defend the most abhorrent things in a parasocial relationship.

There seems to be a significant cacophony of victim blaming/shaming/denial.


GEU5lVIXUAAGLjc
 

L Thammy

Spacenoid
Member
Oct 25, 2017
50,106
This is freaking wild. This is so so clearly an open and shut case to imho, but I saw this trending on Twitter, and I just cannot fathom how people can defend the most abhorrent things in a parasocial relationship.

There seems to be a significant cacophony of victim blaming/shaming/denial.


GEU5lVIXUAAGLjc
No matter what happens, there's always some assholes who will take the worst possible position, if for no other reason than because of contrarianism.

Also a whole bunch of people on Twitter are openly pedophiles. Like I barely use Twitter myself except to follow updates on a gacha game I play or check out things that people post, but I still saw a user a day or two ago when looking at some Palworld misinformation whose whole account was about hating socialism and also how he was a lolicon.
 
Oct 25, 2017
34,820
No matter what happens, there's always some assholes who will take the worst possible position, if for no other reason than because of contrarianism.

Also a whole bunch of people on Twitter are openly pedophiles. Like I barely use Twitter myself except to follow updates on a gacha game I play or check out things that people post, but I still saw a user a day or two ago when looking at some Palworld misinformation whose whole account was about hating socialism and also how he was a lolicon.
I mean, that's who Elon has been courting. The worst dregs of society. That includes open pedos.
 

erlim

Member
Oct 26, 2017
5,513
London
I mean, that's who Elon has been courting. The worst dregs of society. That includes open pedos.

Yeah I mean it's clearly not worth reporting anything. And most of these people have blue checkmarks, they aren't going to mess with their awful subscriber base.

Still though, Chuggaaconroy's defenders are really fired up in the grossest way.
 
This is freaking wild. This is so so clearly an open and shut case to imho, but I saw this trending on Twitter, and I just cannot fathom how people can defend the most abhorrent things in a parasocial relationship.

There seems to be a significant cacophony of victim blaming/shaming/denial.


GEU5lVIXUAAGLjc
I love these guys are so obsessed with not holdding him accountable to anything that they're ignoring his requests not to bother/disparage Emily.
 

Blue_Toad507

Member
May 25, 2021
2,694
This is freaking wild. This is so so clearly an open and shut case to imho, but I saw this trending on Twitter, and I just cannot fathom how people can defend the most abhorrent things in a parasocial relationship.

There seems to be a significant cacophony of victim blaming/shaming/denial.


GEU5lVIXUAAGLjc
People will stand up and swear loyalty to a guy behind a screen who the majority have never met, because they can't possibly fathom the motion that the beloved internet celebrity they idolise isn't a good person.

It's the same shit with Vic Mignogna having a defense force. It doesn't matter to their diehard fans how many victims come forward, or the nature of the allegations, in their mind they MUST be a good person with zero flaws, because admitting otherwise would mean admitting they are wrong. And no one likes to admit that they're wrong.
 

RROCKMAN

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
10,837
He mentions he had a "pedocrush" on her and he sarts talking about her being lolli.

That is gross, you can't defend that. like ain't no way

This is freaking wild. This is so so clearly an open and shut case to imho, but I saw this trending on Twitter, and I just cannot fathom how people can defend the most abhorrent things in a parasocial relationship.

There seems to be a significant cacophony of victim blaming/shaming/denial.


GEU5lVIXUAAGLjc

And yet here we are.

After reading the above I don't think I can associate with anybody who still wants to support him or use that hash tag, that is beyond the pale.
 

Rika

Member
Oct 30, 2017
1,547
USA
This is freaking wild. This is so so clearly an open and shut case to imho, but I saw this trending on Twitter, and I just cannot fathom how people can defend the most abhorrent things in a parasocial relationship.

There seems to be a significant cacophony of victim blaming/shaming/denial.


GEU5lVIXUAAGLjc
white-guy-what.gif


Jesus christ, that hashtag.

That is gross, you can't defend that. like ain't no way
100 percent agree
 

BassForever

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 25, 2017
29,956
CT
It's not even like Chugga has denied anything, how is there a defense force at this point in the story?
 

Radline

Member
Oct 28, 2017
928
It's not even like Chugga has denied anything, how is there a defense force at this point in the story?
Take your pick:

1. Fans who really can't shake it out of their heads that the guy they watch in videos is not the true side of the guy they never even met in real life. That or they just want their entertainment back.

2. Kids/Teens who haven't learned yet why all these things are bad.

3. Blue checkmarks that are the kind of people Musk wants to cultivate on Twitter, enabling the lowest of the low to stand for a harasser/groomer with their visibility reaching the top.
 

Yata

Member
Feb 1, 2019
2,962
Spain
After seeing all the evidence I really think Chugga has little idea on how to socialize. I felt the same when I watched some of his videos years ago so it tracks. I hope he can identify the core problems of his issues interacting with women and fans and solve them. I feel slightly bad that the issue was exposed like this to so many people, but I am not aware of the full context and maybe he really needed the harshest wake up call.

So... I actually read the entire chatlog and I do regret saying this. I admit I only skimmed the logs the first time and I only saw Chugga not being able to respond to a weird sexual minor fan he just wanted to be friends with. Actually reading the chat logs and...wow. He initiates explicit erp with her several times, like it's impossible to deny he had some sexual fantasies over this frienship, and it's incredibly fucked up.

I retract what I said. As someone who never liked his videos, I do still hope Chugga manages to solve his issues interacting with women and fans, but he really shouldn't have a platform to interact with children after having this come out.
 

lunarworks

Member
Oct 25, 2017
22,193
Toronto
IRCC she told him she was 15 and he continued when he was 19?
Way back in 1998, when I co-ran a gaming news and reviews site with an active IRC channel and forum attached to it, writers from our friendly rival site gathered to attend E3. One of the writers from that site met up with and ended up in a secret relationship with the 14 year old sister of another of their writers, they had frequently interacted in our IRC channel, and kept that secret until she turned 18 and they married. He must have been at least 20 when they met. We were all shocked when we found out. I don't know what happened with them in the end, since I've been out of that whole circle for 20+ years now.

To add onto that, her brother became a registered sex offender a few years later for crossing state lines to interact with a minor.

These parasocial relationships in the gaming sphere have always been a shitfest. :/
 

Rika

Member
Oct 30, 2017
1,547
USA
Way back in 1998, when I co-ran a gaming news and reviews site with an active IRC channel and forum attached to it, writers from our friendly rival site gathered to attend E3. One of the writers from that site met up with and ended up in a secret relationship with the 14 year old sister of another of their writers, they had frequently interacted in our IRC channel, and kept that secret until she turned 18 and they married. He must have been at least 20 when they met. We were all shocked when we found out. I don't know what happened with them in the end, since I've been out of that whole circle for 20+ years now.
Been a part of communities where this kinda stuff has happened with site mods, admins, etc. Even users dating or talking to underaged users in...gross ways. The most I seen these spaces do were let that mod/admin go, and then ban them from the community for safety. Same with users who do this kinda stuff. So common in gaming and even anime, manga, and similar spheres.
 
Oct 25, 2017
34,820
An update from Tim/NCS.


Here's a bit about the timeline so far. He made the hotline call on Wednesday morning and was admitted then. That night, he was transferred to another facility (I assume they wanted to deal with the ulcers/internal bleeding caused by stress first) and that was about 2AM Thursday morning. So technically the 72 hours goes until 2AM Sunday morning, or about 11 hours from now.

He's talking to a psychiatrist today, but we don't know for sure if he's going to get out tomorrow or not. They might keep him for one more day, but that's up to the docs.

Oh, a small edit incase anyone wonders. I deleted the videos of him and me watching Nintendo Directs. I haven't deleted the Pokemon Sapphire finale where he post-commentated or a Yoshi's Crafted World with his name in the title. I still gotta remove some Twitch alerts that he's in and fix Stephen and Tom's countermeasures. While I am trying to disassociate publicly, I'm not giving up on him personally. But it is pretty tough.

It wasn't a suicide attempt, though it sounds like he called the hotline.
He's removing various videos featuring him, and removing Twitch alerts featuring Emile.
 

TheAbsolution

Member
Oct 25, 2017
6,391
Atlanta, GA
While he might have fans defending him (ugh)
His career is pretty much over. You can't come back from grooming children, ever. It's such a publicly toxic thing that anyone collaborating with him or associating with him risks hurting themselves so he'd be on his own, also his comments and socials are going to be fire pits from hell so no brand will ever want to do anything with him.


But yeah, he'll have gross fans defend him for a few days.
 

Rika

Member
Oct 30, 2017
1,547
USA
While he might have fans defending him (ugh)
His career is pretty much over. You can't come back from grooming children, ever. It's such a publicly toxic thing that anyone collaborating with him or associating with him risks hurting themselves so he'd be on his own, also his comments and socials are going to be fire pits from hell so no brand will ever want to do anything with him.


But yeah, he'll have gross fans defend him for a few days.
Yup, his career is done. He's done-zo, no more. No one can come back from grooming kids. I think he will end up doing a final send off video, and then leaving the Internet completely much like Cryaotic and similar.
 

CandySTX

Member
Mar 17, 2018
1,644
Scotland
A final post will only make things worse. There's nothing left to say at this point.

Just leave quietly and don't make a public show of it.
 

Rika

Member
Oct 30, 2017
1,547
USA
Update from NCS aka Tim


Rather than making replies to replies all up in here, I'll just drop this.

Emile is home. This is the most lucid I think I've seen him since last summer. We've had multiple long talks already. I know I said elsewhere I'm not much one for "serious" conversations, but I think it went pretty okay. I told him that I still held him accountable (which was pretty hard to do) and he said he respected that, but I also said that I wasn't giving up on him. We went to Starbucks, came home, had pizza and watched Ed Edd & Eddy for about an hour. He actually laughed a little bit a few times. First time I've heard him laugh in 2 weeks.

I guess in the interest of transparency, not that I think this would ever come up otherwise, but I was aware that he had started going to therapy again a few months ago. (I say "again" because he was going about a year ago, and then he stopped, and then he started again) This was yet another thing I didn't ask him about 'cause I felt like it was none of my business. I assumed it was a combination of the stress of having a girlfriend overseas, losing his cat, the bed bugs, the Septic Tank Leak (You know, IN THE BATHROOM), and the stress of his work. some of those videos (the one about Pokéstar Studios for example) took almost a week to make. I remember sitting in here listening to him do like 4 and 5 takes of so many lines. What a perfectionist, heh.

I guess one other thing to clear up while I'm here, about the ulcers. Those were not directly caused by what happened last week, he had stomach problems even before that. I have no doubt the stress of last week exacerbated it, but this didn't "give" him the ulcers. That's yet another thing I could have probably been more clear on. I'm not used to having this much power in my hands, and you know what they say about great power.

Please be safe, folks! Sending good vibes to all~ NCS
 

Vonocourt

Member
Oct 25, 2017
10,630
Beyond "he's out and in a stable place," none of that post reads like something that needed to air publicly.
 

TonyBaduy

Member
Oct 11, 2020
2,373
Mexico
Stomach ulcers are typically caused by H. pylori so it's not surprising they precede all this. Anyhow, I agree with Vonocourt, there is no need to go so indepth into his state, if he himself wants to let us know what happened, he can do so once he is feeling better later, but I don't think it's for his friend to tell. None of this changes the damage he caused and the possible consequences coming his way though.
 

RPG_Fanatic

Member
Oct 25, 2017
3,650
Happy for this bump since I missed ProtonJon's statement before. Happy to here Colosseum is still continuing since as a charity event it raises lots of money for direct relief.
 

Twohearts

Member
Feb 8, 2024
425
Straya
While I'm not doubting what Chugs is saying and do believe things are probably somewhat complex, I always trust women more than man in situations like these, and CHugs was asking for shoe pictures from his young fans which is at least engaging them in fetish stuff I should remind you.
What is it with people always caping for mediocre white guys
 

ultraluna

Member
Jun 3, 2020
1,919
i do have some opinions on this, but i wouldn't recommend anyone who has trouble with heavy topics to read that statement.
as someone on the spectrum too, i empathize with many of the things he's addressing here. it seems they brought the issue to him, and he seemed to have worked on it before all this blew over. it's important to recognize that there a line was crossed and work had to be done, friends and professionals can help you do that when you miss the cues sometimes.
i wasn't aware of the other stuff cause i wasn't following but everyone was a mess 15 years ago.
it's complex stuff and it kinda sucks that it's all laid bare on the internet for everyone involved.
and sorry if i got any word wrong, i don't usually talk about this online, specially in english.
 

L Thammy

Spacenoid
Member
Oct 25, 2017
50,106
Mega response update, and he reveals that and him and Mesae were engaged and with eachother for a decade.

View: https://x.com/chuggaaconroy/status/1780314781074780242

This strikes me the best statement I've seen so far after a public accusation; besides providing evidence against components of the accusation, he acknowledges where he had issues, and he does outline things he's doing different going forward. It does read to me as a little accusatory itself, but I can't expect him to be unemotional or to say everything perfectly, so I don't feel the urge to focus on it. Maybe that's just part of how he's feeling right now.

Ultimately it's not my place to forgive him since I'm not the one affected, but my gut inclination before seeing any responses to it is that it's genuine, and I don't feel the desire to pursue it any further. There's a visible shift in how he describes his roleplaying behaviour between this statement and how he was describing it previously, which seems particularly notable.

I don't think he's owed a full comeback and the way he describes it makes it feel like he may not want a comeback, but if he actually is serious about changing going forward and has taken action to do so, I hope that he's able to find some comfort in his future as well in whatever form that has to take.
 

Tagovailoa

Member
Feb 5, 2023
576
Seems like a dude desperate to do better.

At the end of the day, people need the space to improve themselves.

Can't say I'll really watch his videos ever again, but it seems dude is really committed to doing better.
 

Radline

Member
Oct 28, 2017
928
I don't feel comfortable watching any more of him even after this, but I do wish him the best in improving, pretty much feeling what Thammy has said.
 

Xterrian

Member
Apr 20, 2018
2,805
I hope for Emile's sake he continues to do better. People have a right to improve themselves, and he seems to be genuine here.

Not looking forward to the fans of his who will use this to harass Masae and the others who came forward.
 
Feb 10, 2024
443
Lady Emily comes out looking really bad out of all of this. She deliberately lied, published misleadingly message histories with blatant omissions. I don't really understand it when he had the receipts to prove all of this.