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NY times: "Women Were Avid Slaveowners, a New Book Shows"
- Thread starter Chief Malik
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I was going to be an utter smart ass but I won't. I'll just simply say, only one group ever saw white women as these poor innocent angels who too suffered just as slaves did.
I'm trying not to kneejerk, but...this was my first thought as well.
boy, good thing you resisted saying it.
I was gonna say: that group?... cats
the so called white feminist, who will punch black females if they run out of their place still exist unfortunately. Not literally but metaphorically
Knowing white women owned slaves is one thing but I did not know that at the time there was a gendered division between land and slaves. I did not know women generally had an even share of the slaves during inheritance but not land. I did not know that the courts were more favorable in giving unsatisfied women control of her slaves but not other property.
I dont know why reading this made me remember something I read in the old forum that Hillary Clinton used black prison labor at the mansion she lived at when her husband was governor.
Is "avid" really an appropriate descriptor for slave-ownership? Were there super-cas slave owners, like people who would just own slaves on the weekends socially for parties or something?
Like of course women also were involved in slave ownership if that's the only point being made here.
Like of course women also were involved in slave ownership if that's the only point being made here.
Well it's true, especially when considering women who were in the upper class of plantation life.
I was reading Grant by Ron Chernow, and Ulysses Grant was married to the daughter of a prominent Missouri plantation farmer, Julia Grant. She had a number of personal "servants" that she refused to give up for a long period of time despite her husbands efforts as an abolitionist (complicated subject) and union general. Throughout her life she would defend the notion that her slaves loved being slaves and that they were living charmed easy lives.
Yikes.
Of course this article title sort of reads like, "guess what ladies, you owned slaves too!", which is kind of a duh statement. Men just by nature of society owned more.
I was reading Grant by Ron Chernow, and Ulysses Grant was married to the daughter of a prominent Missouri plantation farmer, Julia Grant. She had a number of personal "servants" that she refused to give up for a long period of time despite her husbands efforts as an abolitionist (complicated subject) and union general. Throughout her life she would defend the notion that her slaves loved being slaves and that they were living charmed easy lives.
Yikes.
Of course this article title sort of reads like, "guess what ladies, you owned slaves too!", which is kind of a duh statement. Men just by nature of society owned more.
I mean, to be fair, I'm pretty sure white men also tried for this angle as long as possible too.
But yeah, this is a "no shit Sherlock" thing.
As a PoC, I just came to the natural conclusion when learning about this stuff that most white people owned slaves, and that meant both men and women did. It's not like white women, back then, were looking to blackfolk and saying, "We know how you feel my black brothers and sisters, we are just as down-trodden as YOU are in the eyes of white men!". Nah, they were just as shit. If white women didn't want to let black women march with them for Women's Rights later on, it's only natural to come to the conclusion that they were also shit towards slaves.
First posts got it pretty much on the head. Biggest shock to me was learning anyone actually thought otherwise.
I know people will do the "this isn't news" thing, but it's always importan
Yes, there are plenty of people who believe that white women were blameless.
I was going to say the timing of this article would be really suspect, but its from last week. So my glares are on the OP now lol
there have been some that have implied slavery as a primarily masculine impulse, and a side effect of patriarchy. White women being the 'virtual' slaves of white men, along with their actual slaves, etc.
White Americans, in general, know very little (and remember very little from school) about the atrocities white colonist and future white Americans have enacted on other ethnic groups so I would not be surprised if there was a good portion of them who thought white women did not contribute to the horrors committed against slaves.
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White women were anything but innocent in all of this this.
To be fair, the books most of us read in school primarily talked about women abolitionist. Plus, how abolishinism gave birth to women's suffrage. In that light it is easy to think of women as having been against slavery and not having owned slaves. Heck, even the way we were taught about Southern Belles or even the antebellum period it was done in such a way as to disconnect them from slavery.
Good for you, you've been able to successfully avoid this specific form of stupidity.
I remember watching a video of a black academic researcher, that brought up an interesting fact.
The majority of slave deaths in the Americas were of black children at the hands of white women.
The majority of slave deaths in the Americas were of black children at the hands of white women.
God fuck cats
They've been getting away with it for centuries
NO MORE