I'm not usually one for pragmatism, but this is an interesting point.
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NYT Takes A Deep Dive Into The Alleged Systemic Bullying By Sanders Supporters
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I did previously and got another text today. How do I report this? I mean, this far it's not as bad as Beto's campaign.
This quote from the article succinctly hits at the core of many of my concerns regarding Sanders and his intentions:
Why were the Russians so interested? To me, it's because they know he's effective in damaging, rather than uniting, the left.
I'm obliged to point out, at the risk of ruining the fun for others, that this is a longstanding left-wing twitter meme from matt bruenig
(it's meant to parallel the common refrain that we must nominate a centrist, otherwise the centrists will vote for the republican and we'll lose)
Yea, that's who I was talking about. Sucks to hear he was bullied from here.
Sometimes I read the discourse and I wonder if we're really picking our candidates based on their policies.
Or are we really just doing it for the schadenfreude of sticking it to whichever online base we dislike the most?
It's hard not to come to the second conclusion when you see people saying "well I love Bernie and his policies but I can't stand his supporters, so I'm voting for X instead".
Or are we really just doing it for the schadenfreude of sticking it to whichever online base we dislike the most?
It's hard not to come to the second conclusion when you see people saying "well I love Bernie and his policies but I can't stand his supporters, so I'm voting for X instead".
Maybe it´s a nuanced way of saying that he brings in people that usually don´t participate in the process?
This election will be all about turnout.
If turnout is low, Trump wins
If turnout is high, Democrat wins
It´s pretty simple. Bernie gets a bunch of people who regularly give two shits about the Democratic party to vote, this is a huge plus and should be praised considering the number of people not voting. Sometimes it has nothing to do with being angry online, a part of his base despises both Republicans and Democrats, but will show up to vote for him.
this is very offensive to bernie supporters and I want to ask the mods why it is allowable for people to constantly suggest that bernie supporters, many of whom post on this board, including me, will support trump in preference to biden or whoever
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I mean the argument kind of boils down to "we're being held hostage so give the perps everything what they want" doesn't it?
Seems not a great tactic or precedent to set, especially for a party that has a big tent.
Thanks!
It's telling that this meme has been read straight both in this thread and in others (and some Sanders supporters have made straightforward arguments supporting it!) :O
I'm just speaking from a pragmatic perspective, I understand it's not ideal.
LOL fuck the NYT what a fucking garbage paper. Hey the world is burning and the supreme court just legalized racism against immigrants but yeah some bernie supporters were being mean.
Not really. That's not to say that there aren't racists, or sexists, or transphobes or bigotry of any other stripe in the ranks of Bernie supporters. That exists everywhere you look.
But Bernie Bros is a specific tag designed to erase every minority and woman who supports Bernie Sanders so these galaxy brain centrists can pretend they care about POC and women while they paint mild democratic socialism as the new Gamergate.
Remember when a greater percentage of Hillary supporters refused to vote for Obama than 'Bernie Bros' who didn't vote for Hillary?
But yes it's literally only Bernie who has some cult-like members amongst his support.
when the left does it it's "taking hostages", when the center does it, it's unity.
This first bit is borderline conspiratorial.
The difference between Sanders and Trump is that Trump has actively encouraged harassment of his opponents and critics while Sanders has not.
From the U.S. Governments analysis into 2016 Election Interference:
Oh I know it sounds conspiratorial. There's nothing to verify it, it's just smoke and mirrors (except for the US Gov concluding that Russia was indeed seeking to bolster both Bernie and Trump while weakening all others in '16). But still, I can't help but feel skeptical. And most of my thoughts come from a place of knowing people personally on both sides of the political spectrum and the things they've said/done.
Oh I know it sounds conspiratorial. There's nothing to verify it, it's just smoke and mirrors (except for the US Gov concluding that Russia was indeed seeking to bolster both Bernie and Trump while weakening all others in '16). But still, I can't help but feel skeptical. And most of my thoughts come from a place of knowing people personally on both sides of the political spectrum and the things they've said/done.
Lol yeah I ain't even gonna bother
Because he was running against Clinton, it's not rocket science. Russia didnt want Clinton, so they bolstered her opponents. You think Russia will be interfering to help Bernie in 2020 against Trump?
People support politicians for various reasons outside of policy that have nothing to do with who bugs who online
as somebody who remembers all of brainchild's posting history, and I mean all of it, this is not true and I won't say any more than that.
as far as I know he was never banned so he should come right back to poliera if he wants to
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I mean, here I am an immigrant to the United States. I know other minorities that are Bernie supporters. And for 2 elections now we've been watching people erase our identities and assume we're all white bros because of this actually toxic "Berniebro" slander. Where's the NYT article for us?
He was a good egg who didn't deserve the shit he got.
You, on the other hand, get a lot of deserved shit for playing so many different sides of the table that it's impossible to know where you stand or what you truly value.
It's smart on their part if true. Trump is kompromized and owned, while on the left any Leftist movements will rightfully take money back from the rich elite, who are the direct competition of the Russian rich elite.
LOL if Russian oligarchs foot the bill on reparations and funnelled billions into the US Black community, it would effectively be a speedrun into ending the US.
This should tell you more about Bernie's reach and how other candidates don't have the same mass appeal.
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if anything, more lol
you could always just ask if you actually wanted to know
in poliera though, please, very off topic for this thread
Yeah I've been bombarded with Bernie campaign texts..I have no earthly idea how they even got my number..
I haven't needed to, I've seen your thready and wacky trajectory play out in real time! I'm more prone to seeing where you're at in a decade.
Yes, this is a real post because I have NEVER received a political text from anyone other than them.
Yup exactly this. It's been really amazing how many people who keep spewing bs don't even know this fact.
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