I am not a fan of Obama's. That has ZERO to do with the point he has made.
I think it would be a lot less politically tenable for human soldiers to do that.So are we going to defend Obama's policy of bombing paramedics, journalists, and first-responders also in so-called "double-tap strikes". "Look you either send in troops to kill the paramedics, or you bomb them from a safe distance". Even if we assume that diplomacy is just never an option (we simply must either bomb them or send ground troops), is it okay to label 14 year old males as enemy combatants regardless of evidence? It seems like you just glossed over that part.
Yeah I don't follow.Your posts entirely about what he said have nothing to do with what he said?
All our dialogue has spun out of a post you made explaining and defending what Obama said...
Nice altHe is 100% right.
Woke and cancel culture is a disaster and will harm the progressive cause.
Yeah I don't follow.
I think Obama is correct. I don't like the man's politics. I don't see the problem here.
Yeah I don't follow.
I think Obama is correct. I don't like the man's politics. I don't see the problem.
Don't you know that if someone is wrong about one thing, that makes them wrong about all things!!! /s
OK I think some wires have been crossed.I said you romanced his words and you went this has nothing to do with him or his words....
Yeah your point is to make those who you don't like sound like crazy violent but ultimately cowardly people with no decency.... all why endorsing a call for "empathy" and understanding and moving away from so called generalizations...You're out here judging people while equating talking shit about Biden online to punching him in the face. You can see the forest for the trees because my friend you are a tree.
Great post. A lot of people immediately conflate the idea of "call out culture" with wealthy people, rather than even beginning to imagine the effect it has on people who have almost no actual presence.
It's incredibly easy to say the wrong thing within a fandom, for instance, and be a pariah for as long as the "proof" of what you did exists. Hell, I was stalked to hell and back within a specific fandom because a person with a not insignificant presence within that community decided to make me a target. It's an extended form of bullying that you can't really escape from. And this doesn't even touch on how women and minorities get shoved around on social media for not being the perfect image of what people want them to be.
Hold people accountable but don't shove your normal person in the hole because their words were easily misinterpreted. It's just cruel.
Embraced Obama's words, yes.Let's summarize
You have embraced Obama's words here
You then called declared that an entire generation lacked decency
You then equated aggressive online criticism of Biden to punching him in the face
You then implied they wouldn't do that in person (punch him in the face or since you said metaphor aggressively criticize him)
Really not sure what's lost here.... You've decried an entire generation, used violence metaphors and then insinuated they wouldn't have the guts to say it to his face...
fair point to bring up here I think.Also, social media and it's design of making users chase after thousands of likes from a "fire" tweet makes people dumb themselves down with quippy, short, meme-laced takedowns that, while on the side of moral superiority, don't accomplish anything in the long run.
Embraced Obama's words, yes.
Declared an entire generation lacked decency, yes: Including my own generation in this, and was referring to online behavior (mostly), that may not have been clear.
Yes aggressive online behavior is like punching someone in the face or spitting in their face or anything equivalent (possibly a poor metaphor).
Yes most people would not aggressively tackle (rhetorically) the former Vice POTUS face to face (I mean crazy people maybe?).
You got me? I mean I guess. I'm not sure what I did wrong.
I mean large swathes of people are verbally violent everyday without consequence on social media. I don't think that's good.You're painting large swaths of people with a violent brush.... It's just funny in context of what you're supposed to be embracing here.
He is 100% right.
Woke and cancel culture is a disaster and will harm the progressive cause.
You're painting large swaths of people with a violent brush.... It's just funny in context of what you're supposed to be embracing here.
I mean large swathes of people are verbally violent everyday without consequence on social media. I don't think that's good.
Also, social media and it's design of making users chase after thousands of likes from a "fire" tweet makes people dumb themselves down with quippy, short, meme-laced takedowns that, while on the side of moral superiority, don't accomplish anything in the long run.
Yes, barely, and not really? It's entirely possible I've missed something but I can't think of any social movement that succeeds via online action. You need actual people in the streets or calling representatives or knocking on doors; social media might be able to amplify that stuff and get the word out (protest coverage etc.) but I don't think it's capable of doing anything on its own besides hounding people off the platforms and getting a company to rethink its bad PR move.I think Obama poses two interesting questions:
- Is it activism?
- Does it actually work?
Exhausting...Consequences? People make mistakes, it's best not to hold that against them, and risk ruining their lives...
When you say those things, what are you referring to exactly? Those are pretty nebulous terms usually used by people on the right to attack progressives.He is 100% right.
Woke and cancel culture is a disaster and will harm the progressive cause.
Calling things out is fine. But it doesnt have to become masturbatory.
When you say those things, what are you referring to exactly? Those are pretty nebulous terms usually used by people on the right to attack progressives.
I'm still waiting to see if any of the people that said youth are apathetic read any of the studies I posted showing the opposite are going to comment about them. Do they disagree, think if they don't vote the other stuff is useless, are they themselves engaged? Or if they will continue to call them and members of the era Borg out for being slacktivists?Whatever you say, two year old account with 21 posts.
Isn't it funny how the people whining about people who cancel are self righteous and generalizing then proceed to act self righteous and generalize?
Like, where's the self awareness?
Sure, what I mean though is I don't know what he or we are talking about when we're talking about woke or out-woking each other. To some people, advocating against racism can be being woke. Or advocating for trans rights. Sometimes people doing that make other people uncomfortable, so the reaction to it can be "hey, let's slow this train down a bit" when that hampers progress too.How does the saying go? Even a broken clock is right twice a day? Even ignoring that... two opposing sides can sometimes come to the same conclusion... just by different means.
In this case Obama, who I believe is correct, thinks a culture that constantly tries to out woke themselves is more destructive than helpful. Whereas the right dislike woke culture because FIRE BAD(Translation: I have little experience with other cultures, therefore they are scary. I see my dominant culture having to share the sandbox and that makes me, a person lacking empathy for others, sad and angry. Also I probably don't have an education and only ever visit cities.)
Whatever you say, two year old account with 21 posts.
Isn't it funny how the people whining about people who cancel are self righteous and generalizing then proceed to act self righteous and generalize?
Like, where's the self awareness?
RedMercury makes this forum a prime example of.. what?Bullshit straw man from a poster who is exactly the type of person that makes this forum a prime ex
I think what they mean is an prime example of really cool, but I learned it from watching you Kyuuji!
Two self righteous peas in a perfect pod 👊I think what they mean is an prime example of really cool, but I learned it from watching you Kyuuji!
Do y'all hear yourselvesEverything Obama said in that video is vague, hollow nonsense and he can eat these nuts.
Obama wanted to go to war in Syria, congress said no, and Obama went to war in Syria anyway.
I guess they could have impeached him or shut down the government to show displeasure, but that's about as much as they could have done to prevent him from going to war with Syria.
And just to be clear, Congress did that shit for the wrong reasons, but it still a very clear case where Obama went to war against the explicitly expressed wishes of Congress.
The main issue I have with "call out culture" is that the majority of those who participate do not genuinely care about what they're seemingly enraged about, but do so just to appear like they do to ceet some imaginary virtue points.
Use the phrase for any level of criticism until it's meaningless. Seems to be what many are going for.
Use the phrase for any level of criticism until it's meaningless. Seems to be what many are going for.