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Oda (creator of the manga One Piece) discusses his approach to displaying sexuality with his female characters.
- Thread starter Orange Piccolo
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I mean, I think his argument is that he's not doing direct camera shots from a low angle up their skirts, but that's pretty much it. Like, look at what's happening in Ayakashi Triangle for example as a counterpoint. The character designs themselves are yes, exactly as you highlighted, he's more just talking about how he positions the camera I guess.
To be clear I agree with the critiques on said character designs, but I do think he's at least somewhat restrained with where he places the "camera." Though I wouldn't be shocked if someone posts some panels that prove me wrong.
This is the same guy who admitted in a SBS that he draws women as "three circles, one x", doesn't really care about any complaints from his female readership of such design "philosophy", and whose one of his main character's lifelong dream was to be invisible so he could peep naked women under the shower.
Like, ok dude. Whatever you say.
Like, ok dude. Whatever you say.
That's true, I think I'm more thinking of how Nami normally dresses I guess lol. She shows a lot of skin.
Yeah, but thankfully those were just short-lived disguises.ehhhhhhhhhh
Oda got plenty of T&A for both of them in Wano
Pretty sure those outfits lasted the rest of Onigashima, which was 2-3 years long.
In the manga, their appearances in those outfits was less than 10 chapters. It showed up in 978 and was gone in 988. If you're reading it weekly it may seem like it was forever, but it was only like 2-3 months.
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Its truly bizarre. Only other thing IP can think of where this happened was Soul Calibur.
Naruto is one of the few really big manga that really didn't have much of it at all. The most you had was a few minor moments with Jiraiya and Tsunade.
When do we see the boys with ecxessively large dicks dressed up in banana slings?
For the record, I'm MORE sensitive to dumb "perverted cameramen" than sexy outfits, but saying it isn't that bad when the two main girls are sporting giant knockers isn't really helping. The girls literally look like botched plastic surgery jobs, and Oda has a history of drawing/depicting some dubious shit.
When do we see the boys with ecxessively large dicks dressed up in banana slings?
Does a middle-aged man in a diaper count?
Anyway I already said I agree about the outfits themselves (and sure, definitely the proportions as well), no arguments from me!
Some of the readers questions are incredibly creepy and cringe af like these.
I didn't say it wasn't that bad. I'm only pointing out one story arc that had the least amount of sexualization. It does suck that, even for a short moment, they had to wear those dumb bikini outfits.
When do we see the boys with ecxessively large dicks dressed up in banana slings?
For the record, I'm MORE sensitive to dumb "perverted cameramen" than sexy outfits, but saying it isn't that bad when the two main girls are sporting giant knockers isn't really helping. The girls literally look like botched plastic surgery jobs, and Oda has a history of drawing/depicting some dubious shit.
Reads like an excuse to draw big boobs all the time.
Almost the entirety of women in OP has like E cup boobs with a thin waist.
And he keeps drawing the 2 main female characters with bikini tops for years.
Yeah, Oda isn't really a feminist lmao
Almost the entirety of women in OP has like E cup boobs with a thin waist.
And he keeps drawing the 2 main female characters with bikini tops for years.
Yeah, Oda isn't really a feminist lmao
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I've heard from anecdote by a trans woman that female viewers actually like women with unrealistic proportions in their anime.
What a comment lmao
Guess that settles it!
Women are a hivemind, just as long as you ignore all the women that do have a problem with it
One Piece is like, the perfect encapsulation of anime/manga. You can have a pretty wonderful book that's exciting, has great characters, is affirming, is intriciately woven....but there's gonna be SOMETHING around the edges that's going to make the entire experience of reading it feel gross and wrong. Oda's particular brand of that grime is sexualization.
You always have to wonder when and how an anime that you're enjoying is going to "get" you. Because you can get got by anime really easily.
It's not that Oda CAN'T draw with assorted female body types in mind. The first woman that appears on screen in OP is Alveda.
It's just that when he decides that he likes a character, he decides to change his style to fit his mood.
This is what Alveda looks like right now in the story.
:🤷:
Like, I'm not totally caught up on One Piece, but if Big Mom showed up again looking like the above, I wouldn't be surprised.
You know i like how later that guy was revealed to have been killed for his power
There's several flashbacks where Big Mom pretty much looks like that as it is. I don't think he'd change it later but he's already designed what she looked like at different stages of her pirate career just in case I guess.It's not that Oda CAN'T draw with assorted female body types in mind. The first woman that appears on screen in OP is Alveda.
It's just that when he decides that he likes a character, he decides to change his style to fit his mood.
This is what Alveda looks like right now in the story.
:🤷:
Like, I'm not totally caught up on One Piece, but if Big Mom showed up again looking like the above, I wouldn't be surprised.
Uhh no, it doesn't fit. Look at her design pre and post timeskip especially. He specifically changed her design to give her giant boobs and then be half naked half of the time.
What in the world?
He pretty much draws all young adult women the same.
He doesn't try to hide it, it's a bit of a black eye on a really fantastic adventure series that touches on a lot of romance themes. It's understandable that someone might find it hard to look past. For example, Rebecca in the Dressrosa arc felt really excessive in recent memory with tons of leering shots.
It's a shame that he tends to show fairly progressive ideas with certain characters, but leans into the fanservice on his 'one size fits all women'.
Nami and Robin were downgraded post time skip.
Also its pretty disgusting that Sanji is constantly lusting over his crew mates in that fashion. Its not funny at all.
Oda definitely has limited imagination with women.
Big Mom and Tsuru are cool I guess ,but women obviously take a bit of a secondary role in his stories.
It's not that Oda CAN'T draw with assorted female body types in mind. The first woman that appears on screen in OP is Alveda.
It's just that when he decides that he likes a character, he decides to change his style to fit his mood.
This is what Alveda looks like right now in the story.
:🤷:
Like, I'm not totally caught up on One Piece, but if Big Mom showed up again looking like the above, I wouldn't be surprised.
I kinda noticed this with Tite Kubo as well.
Have a cat character named Yoruichi that you'd like to expand upon? Make that cat be revealed to be a busty woman! See that little girl Nel from Hueco Mundo ? She appears not too important now, but BOOP! Now she's a really a big chested woman!
I personally don't expect my mangaka to be the great moral leaders of comic-dom, but that last example was pretty weird to me, no matter how he tried writing it off. I suppose Oda does similar.
Is this like a common shonen trope?
Oda's point is just written from the perspective of a mangaka being measured by the standards of other mangaka. From his perspective (and a lot of the industry's perspective) bizarrely skimpy outfits are just an expected aesthetic whereas fanservice is creep shots.
This is not a good standard, mind. But that's how one can arrive at that view.
This is not a good standard, mind. But that's how one can arrive at that view.
Without having read most of One Piece myself and thus I don't know if Oda ever failed this, I do think it's if not good then at least some kind of positive to approach your fanservice with "if it's non-consensual then it''s not sexy" the way lots of Shonen stuff has Funny Sexual Assault as a running gag.
It's not really a problem to me that a straight man draws T&A for an audience of assumed straight boys, but the reality is that no one other than straight dudes will ever get the ability to sell their T&A fantasies to the widest audience. SNK and ArcSys sure as fuck will never greenlight my crossover game where Sol Badguy and Terry Bogard are magically cursed so that their clothes get ripped open every five minutes. Taro Yoko can tell an audience of five million players that he loves big robot girl butts but I'm never going to have an audience yearning to hear why Nier's ass being bigger than his head was of vital importance to the quality of NieR Replicant.
Horny's fine, it just needs to be equal opportunity and anyone with eyes can see that it's not.
It's not really a problem to me that a straight man draws T&A for an audience of assumed straight boys, but the reality is that no one other than straight dudes will ever get the ability to sell their T&A fantasies to the widest audience. SNK and ArcSys sure as fuck will never greenlight my crossover game where Sol Badguy and Terry Bogard are magically cursed so that their clothes get ripped open every five minutes. Taro Yoko can tell an audience of five million players that he loves big robot girl butts but I'm never going to have an audience yearning to hear why Nier's ass being bigger than his head was of vital importance to the quality of NieR Replicant.
Horny's fine, it just needs to be equal opportunity and anyone with eyes can see that it's not.
"horny's fine" quickly runs into a problem when many of these shows are for a young audience, and the characters are generally young teens. I don't think any amount of equal opportunity really addresses that, or what One Piece sometimes does. Oda needed peers to question this, but none of them would because its so normalized and unquestioned that these guys all still celebrate people like Watsuki like nothing happened.
It's not that Oda CAN'T draw with assorted female body types in mind. The first woman that appears on screen in OP is Alveda.
It's just that when he decides that he likes a character, he decides to change his style to fit his mood.
This is what Alveda looks like right now in the story.
:🤷:
Like, I'm not totally caught up on One Piece, but if Big Mom showed up again looking like the above, I wouldn't be surprised.
2 be fair, Alveda eat devil fruit that changed her body while big meme is 68 years old.
I don't know how to answer this wrt Shonen stuff because I was super into all the hot teenagers in Rave Master when I was 13 years old and thus in the actual demographic who was supposed to be reading it.
Probably Fruits Basket too, in hindsight. Was reading Shoujo manga as a teenage boy one of my latent gay chicken activities? The world may never know.
I think this is another one of those "horrible consequences of a media empire that caters to het dudes" things.
lmaooooooooooooooo
no writer who made Sanji would honestly believe this shit
like. even in terms of character, a lot of the girls don't do much. when people talk about Nami, they still mostly talk about Arlong Park which happened like 20 years ago
no writer who made Sanji would honestly believe this shit
like. even in terms of character, a lot of the girls don't do much. when people talk about Nami, they still mostly talk about Arlong Park which happened like 20 years ago
"Equal opportunity"
So there's also going to be a girl pervert who tries to sexually assault guys? And the guys would have little agency and do little in the actual plot?
I mean, both those issues exists BECAUSE Oda is horny. He thinks characters asking to see women's panties is funny. He's too focused on making the women eye candy to give them much agency in the plot (although he always finds the time to make them dress in sexy outfits)
Your statement would be correct if Oda wasn't so problematic in writing women. But he is, so you can't separate that from the horniness.
I mean, you can have attractive characters in stories meant for children. You'll be hard pressed to find a child oriented show that doesn't have sexually attractive people in it.
But there is a difference between having sexually attractive characters and then framing the lion's share of their character around sexual hijinks that boarder on criminal. Shows that have sexually attractive characters don't also need characters being shown bathing for no reason other than further titillation, doubly so if those characters are underaged, which they usually are.
Shit, Totally Spies did all sorts of wild fetish shit that flew under the radar, it can be done very easily. But Oda, and indeed many many many mangaka, are not about visual nuance.
I mean franky is right there.