How about you go ask the coaches and parents before the game. It's really not that difficult to ask. If they say yes, have at it. They say no? Respect their wishes and ask someone else.
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Ok ERA where do you fall on the rights of Photographers? Hillary Duff calls Photographer creep for shooting Childs soccer game.
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How about you go ask the coaches and parents before the game. It's really not that difficult to ask. If they say yes, have at it. They say no? Respect their wishes and ask someone else.
Beach creepshots are creepy because you're specifically going there to sneak pics of scantily clad women. I wouldn't exactly put both on the same level of creepy. Photographing people interacting is honestly just part of the fun of photography.
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She can possibly have him doxxed by just posting what she did. I mean the intent is there by bragging about her numbers you're just inviting people to dig.
Eh, maybe not a fan of how Hillary handled this, I do think there should be some level of consent when taking pictures of kids, and if a parent comes and ask you not to take pictures of their kid, then that should be respected.
I hope you understand how fucking creepy this is. You had me going "both sides" on this. But you're following families around on the beach taking pictures of their children, or loved ones, without their consent and then posting them online? Seriously. That's fucked up.
Kids can be under protection orders where they are not allowed to be filmed or photographed. Why is it so hard to practice some amount of decorum around children?
yep. pretty telling that people want to go to bat for someone who has such flimsy justification for his actions. "it's legal" is always a shitty excuse for doing something
ERA has such a strong stance against doxxing and threats so it's weird seeing so many people here be fine with that (regardless of what you think about the photographer's actions)
His words are in the post I quoted:
If you and a loved one are walking down the beach during sunrise/sunset a thunderstorm or whatever and I grab a shot of that I'm probably going to post that.
She did nothing wrong, but most people don't have the power of 15 million followers social media reach that could harass and end a guys entire career over something small. If the guy is telling the truth then congrats, you just send some unknown number of psychos his way. You don't control what your followers could do.
I know you can rent private fields and have people thrown out that shouldn't be there, it's not a great solution. But I'll take that over banning public photography.
I know you can rent private fields and have people thrown out that shouldn't be there, it's not a great solution. But I'll take that over banning public photography.
He's not following families around. He didn't even mention kids. You inserted that to try to make him appear creepier. He's talking about scenes that photographers take all the damn time when shooting at a beach.
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Is this creepy? If so then your problem is with more than me but with the Photogrophy community at large
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He said "loved ones". And this is a thread about taking pictures of children. You're the one making the leap here by assuming that kids are not "loved ones" to parents. He can ask people on the beach if he wants to take a picture of them. I was just in Mexico. You get photographers coming up to you all the time asking if you and your SO want your picture taken. It's your right to photograph people in public, when they're semi-nude, but you're a creep if you're doing it without their permission.
Legally, no you do not need my consent as a parent. But if you're photographing my young child without my consent and I politely ask you to stop and you refuse, I'm going to think you're both a creep and an asshole, because that's creepy, dickish behavior to engage in. I'm also going to take my child and leave the area you're in for the very same reasons.
If you're okay with that, more power to you.
I think the response from the thread in general would be quite different if we were talking about him photographing adults. But he's not. He's photographing children and people and parents are naturally very protective of kids. This whole situation changes if some kids there are related to him, or if some parent has asked them to photograph their kids. But if that hasn't happened and another parent comes up to you and asks you if you'd stop taking pictures, then that should be the end of it. You shouldn't try to make an argument for why it's technically not illegal for you to be doing it.
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I have silohette pictures of father's teaching their kids how to fish at sunset. Usually 5-10 other people taking pictures of the same shit.
Go to the local boardwalk and you got people taking pictures of people on the boardwalk. It's not that unusual
Why do I get the feeling OP is going to be back here sometime in late summer asking if anyone knows a good lawyer for photographers?
the assignment obviously wasn't "shoot kids without consent" - it was to shoot sports. rec dept games were an easy way to do that. and i wasn't gonna go around the field asking 30+ parents individually if it's okay if i shot the match, no. that seems way creepier to me somehow. and it's not like there aren't already other folks on the sidelines with dslrs/milcs.
i'd have just moved to the next field over if i didn't think i'd gotten enough good shots and wasn't rattled from the exchange. every time someone has asked me not to take their photo in a public place, i've politely obliged, which is what our prof suggested and what most photographers do anyway. honestly, though, almost never were the people challenging me actually in any of my pictures. but once someone calls you a creep i understand the impulse to defend yourself and dig in if you're just out trying to learn a new skill or piece of equipment.
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No problem, as long as they don't come over like a macho tough guy I treat them with respect.
But it happened twice in the last 7 years I've been doing this.
or at least asking people for permission. surely you have friends or family with kids if you want to take shots of a sport for practice?
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Look.through this photo feed, let me know if you think these photographers asked permission for these photos. They didn't.
#peoplewatching on Instagram
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This would really depend on what he needs it for. It's very easy to get caught up in release form stuff regarding modeling, the public photography things honestly would be the least of his worries unless he's actually using something for paid marketing reasons without the subjects permission.
That's great when people don't object, but it doesn't justify doing so when people ask you not to. This just seems like common sense and courtesy and a strange thing to defend.
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Spoken like someone that has never stepped foot on Instagram outside of meme pages or knows a photographer at all.
The only time I have ever gotten in trouble for while doing photography was trespassing on state parks to chase a damn lightning storm and catch the lightning falling behind a lighthouse.
The one's where people are posing and smiling directly into the camera? Yes. At the very least, posing for a picture is implied consent. The ones where people are walking away from the camera just going to work or whatever? No the photographer didn't ask permission and shouldn't have posted the image online.
It isn't weird at all. Shooting sports is hard to do during a school or professio event due to conflicting with pros and photo passes, lack of space, etc. Shooting stuff like youth league soccer tends to work out better because there will be multiple games going on at one spot, next to no chance of bumping into pros, free entry, and they're frequent. It's also a good way to test equipment before you use it at work as you don't want to run into issues when you're shooting, let's say, a playoff game for some local team that you could have troubleshot beforehand. The motion, crowd and objects to keep in focus provide a closer to "real" game experience in that aspect too.
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Twice in 7 years....twice....and one of those times don't count because the guy was being an asshole and the girlfriend was telling him it's cool and she wanted a copy of the picture. But you know, had to be a tough guy about it and embarrass his girlfriend in the process. I deleted it for her so she didn't have to get screamed at on the ride home.
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Do you have selective eye sight? Or just intentionally ignoring the obvious candid pictures?
Every street photographer has their stories regarding this stuff. I once got screamed at by an Asian lady.
Most people in here shouting high atop their moral ground high horses have no idea what aggressive street photography even looks like so they have nothing to really compare this to.
You literally said in a follow up post to this that if someone asked you not to take a photo of their kid, you would oblige. Why aren't you holding the man in your OP to the same standard?
The point is that it doesn't make those who did ask any less important or worth acknowledging. Everyone is cool with it? Great! Consent is often something we take for granted when really it shouldn't be and should be respected when it's revoked. We shouldn't just assume implied consent. It leads to weird gray areas and potential creepiness.
You do realize that a lot of people may be uncomfortable with some random stranger photographing them in public but are also uncomfortable with confronting you about it, not knowing if you're a stable, respectful person or a potentially dangerous person, right?
Don't photograph other people's kids without their consent, implied or express. It's that easy.
I actually know one of the best sports photographers in Western Canada. He's actually a tornado chaser now, but he shot the Canada Games when they were here, and did all the photography for our local CFL team and our local WHL hockey team, not to mention tons of minor league and kids stuff, but guess what, he was commissioned to do that work. He didn't go out in his spare time to the park and take pictures of peoples kids playing without their parents/coaches permission.
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Because that person wouldn't come over attempting to video tape me and make it a viral moment. As I stated earlier. If someone came over with a camera in my face. I would just start advertising my website ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I'm doing nothing wrong. People see a big lens and get freaked the fuck out like it has X Ray vision or something.
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That's great, not everyone is comissioned, some people have to build a portfolio.
See NOW you're making me want to post that Fuji video.
edit: bah, Fuji had it taken down.
dont even LOOK at me in public without my written consent u creeps
With this statement, I give notice to all photographers it is strictly forbidden to disclose, copy, distribute, or take any public photos of me based on this Visage and/or its contents. The Visage of this person is private and confidential information. The violation of privacy can be punished by law (UCC 1-308- 1 1 308-103 and the Rome Statute)
With this statement, I give notice to all photographers it is strictly forbidden to disclose, copy, distribute, or take any public photos of me based on this Visage and/or its contents. The Visage of this person is private and confidential information. The violation of privacy can be punished by law (UCC 1-308- 1 1 308-103 and the Rome Statute)
This guy should have asked permission first. Might have even been able to make a buck or two selling high-speed photos to the parents or the local paper (if one still exists wherever this is.) He didn't handle this the best way.
And I'm going to say that even if he had been a white dude he would've gotten the same flack. If it was a woman shooting photos then nobody would've batted an eye.
This makes me wonder if my former newspaper photogs ever got this level of flack on assignment. Probably not, as most of the coaches and teams knew them and they had their little press badges.
And I'm going to say that even if he had been a white dude he would've gotten the same flack. If it was a woman shooting photos then nobody would've batted an eye.
This makes me wonder if my former newspaper photogs ever got this level of flack on assignment. Probably not, as most of the coaches and teams knew them and they had their little press badges.
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First of all, you go down to the beach and you see 20 people with tripods and lenses you can walk the other direction down the beach. We would prefer it so you don't get in our shot. But if you insist to walk down that shore line, yeah well you're going to be in the shot with the sun setting behind you.
If I see returning families I say hello to them and they say hello back. I basically live on the beach as does the community of photographers out by me.
Wow. You guys really, really do not understand street photography. Really.
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Those are nice pictures, but honestly, I'd rather live in a society of people who don't understand street photography, over a society of people who don't understand the concept of consent.
I mean you could alway post Bruce Gilden at work, which is...fucking god awful.
This is because they don't. They just assume anything moderately voyeuristic is creepy or perverted without realizing that there's an art to the whole thing.Wow. You guys really, really do not understand street photography. Really.
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