That is very good to know if true, cause that was really stupid on WiiU
Patched Switch games become unbootable without the patch data [Unless you factory reset your switch]
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Well damn, I thought something like this was taken care of with the update to the way Nintendo deals with users, accounts. As in not tied to the console anymore.
Wtf....
It's also not like this on XBO IIRC. They only thing on those systems that will stop you in your tracks is going on the store and the console needs an update. Or if in the middle of updating and you try to play a game you are updating. But then you could just delete and reinstall, keep it moving. This is in XBO, PS4 not sure.
I can't tell you how many times I skipped a GTA V update because it was so big. But I could still play, even a new game.
A key difference to keep in mind with Switch vs PS4/XBO is the fact that you don't have to install retail Switch games at all, so for the vast majority of games you're going to be talking about MBs of data instead of GBs as on the other systems. There are of course some games like Ys 8 that have updates counted in single digit GBs. Overall though you probably gain very little space by deleting the update data for retail Switch games.
The ones that would be issues are stuff like Doom, Wolfenstein and LA Noire that require a download to boot at all. They're the ones taking up a significant amount of space and the ones you would most gain from deleting.
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You can skip patches on the Switch, and it has nothing to do with the account system...
Quick question. If I archive a game, will this delete also the patch of the respective game? Because maybe this could be an issue considering that usually people prefer to archive an specific game to be able to download a new one.
Surprise! It's almost like companies will put people through whatever anti-consumer practices they want under the guise of stopping piracy or homebrew.
Of course the side-effect is that once the servers go down in ten or so years a whole buncha games are gonna become unplayable unless Nintendo eases up these silly restrictions near EOL. For Nintendo that's probably a bonus considering it curbs the used game market they hate.
Of course the side-effect is that once the servers go down in ten or so years a whole buncha games are gonna become unplayable unless Nintendo eases up these silly restrictions near EOL. For Nintendo that's probably a bonus considering it curbs the used game market they hate.
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What? But people have deleted the save file and had no luck.
Archiving a retail game is effectively just deleting the update data. The Icon and Save Data remain but any other data is deleted.
Actually this might be game dependent? Cause someone in this thread said deleting his Bomberman save and patch didn't allow him to boot 1.0. Maybe the publisher can set a flag or something to control this aspect, but I'm sure Nintendo will always have it set for their games lol. And let's face it, they release most of the awesome stuff
Is that not easy? Your post reads liie sarcasm. Can't you copy them to an SD ca?
not even close. Nothing about this would effect the used games market anymore than the retail games market.
No you can't. You'll have to subscribe to Nintendo online service to do so (so, no way to do it until September).
10 years is not a lot of time....
Half Life 1 is 20 years old.
I'd be kinda pissed if that game was lost to time.
Seriously unless this is actually what you want don't bring it up.
Contracts are always negotiable. They aren't universal laws of nature. They aren't even man made laws.
It won't be lost to time. No cart games will be rendered unplayable unless the game required a constant network connection.
An update to this..
So this..
Yeah the game worked just fine on my nephews (airplane mode) Switch, so it's def related to the system not the cart.
So this..
Is false.
Having a hard limit on filespace is our fault.
ok bro.
Do you actually enthusiastically support not having the ability to own physical copies?
is this your personal belief?
Yeah I know but if I'm in the middle of updating, I can delete and start over.
Granted I would have to reinstall the whole game, but it's like I never patched anything. On those systems I think you can set it to not auto update games to avoid what's happening in this topic. I have yet to run into a non boot or save issue involving game updates, even if in I'm the middle of updating and change my mind.
Edit: I tested, and the OP is correct. More info in my later post.
I feel like this is incorrect.
I believe if you delete your save data AND delete (not archive) the game's presence on your home menu, you should be fine. (Remove the cartridge. On the home menu, highlight the game, press +, Manage Software, Delete Software.)
I just borrowed a copy of Just Dance 2018 from the library -- I'm installing the update, then I'll test.
I feel like this is incorrect.
I believe if you delete your save data AND delete (not archive) the game's presence on your home menu, you should be fine. (Remove the cartridge. On the home menu, highlight the game, press +, Manage Software, Delete Software.)
I just borrowed a copy of Just Dance 2018 from the library -- I'm installing the update, then I'll test.
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You can turn off Automatic Software Updates on Switch in the system settings:
The issue here is you have already updated a game and then specifically delete the update data. You need to re-download the data before the game will start.
You'll have to delete your save to test it and without a current method of restoring said saves this is a bad idea.
Since buying my Switch a couple of months ago I've been constantly "amazed" by how shitty a company Nintendo is. They're literally the worst piece of shit company in the console space. No way to back up save games, this garbage described here, no media apps or even a web browser in 2018. WTF is wrong with this insane, backwards company? I'm unlikely to ever buy another Nintendo console.
I guess it also might be game dependent, but I'm fairly sure there's no way a cart will have the patch data automatically. Not sure what other game I can really try it with. Would do Xenoblade 2, but lol I'm not losing that data.
No. What I'm saying is the truth though. I'm not going to obscure the truth just because some people don't like it.
So I just tested this on the copy of Just Dance 2018 we borrowed from the library... and the OP is correct, as best as I can tell.
If you install an update, then delete the update, you can't play the game until you reinstall the update.
I deleted all local save data -and- the "system" data (via Home Menu > Manage Software > Delete Software.
When I plugged the cart back in and tried to play, it keeps prompting me to update first. ("A software update is required. Update data will be downloaded now.") You can't start the game first, as you can do to bypass updates in other cases.
I don't think I'm missing anything... it looks like once you install an update, you can't go back to playing the cart WITHOUT the update.
(What's weird is that I feel like I deleted an update and had no problems with some other title at some point in the past year. Now I can't remember.)
If you install an update, then delete the update, you can't play the game until you reinstall the update.
I deleted all local save data -and- the "system" data (via Home Menu > Manage Software > Delete Software.
When I plugged the cart back in and tried to play, it keeps prompting me to update first. ("A software update is required. Update data will be downloaded now.") You can't start the game first, as you can do to bypass updates in other cases.
I don't think I'm missing anything... it looks like once you install an update, you can't go back to playing the cart WITHOUT the update.
(What's weird is that I feel like I deleted an update and had no problems with some other title at some point in the past year. Now I can't remember.)
For Nintendo games, like Super Mario Odyssey, this is definitely not enough. You need to factory reset and never connect to the internet ever again to rollback a patch.
It is not defensible. Patch savegame incompatibility can be checked another way
Okay, so I tried this with Mario Tennis ACES, I deleted the save data, deleted all the patches, turned off automatic updating, It still requires you to update the game to play it. Then I tried turning off the internet and also put my switch in just airplane mode to see if either those options work, but it still requires a patch to play. I'm not going any further with factory resetting my console.
Yes, this has been known for months and I'm not sure why it's still being discussed.
thanks for testing! now we just need to test the formatted data on the same switch. someone should update the OP
Well, most of the folks in this thread seemed unsure about this, and no one appears to have tried fully deleting the data.
I'm assuming that removing one's account does no good.
Most devs lock out saves from later save file versions nowadays. Otherwise you've got to worry about how version 1.0 of your game deals with a version 1.5 save file.
Nintendo do it at a system level so they don't need to come up with unique implementations on each of their games.
I'm not saying it's right but I understand why they do it. They did the same on Wii U but no one noticed. The larger patches on Switch make it a bit more if an issue.
I'm not sure initializing the system allows you to boot the cart again or not.
Nintendo do it at a system level so they don't need to come up with unique implementations on each of their games.
I'm not saying it's right but I understand why they do it. They did the same on Wii U but no one noticed. The larger patches on Switch make it a bit more if an issue.
I'm not sure initializing the system allows you to boot the cart again or not.
Yeah that doesn't help either. Give little Jimmy your Switch and BotW physical card you deleted all the patches off to free space and he won't be able to play on his account until he either connects to the internet or factory resets your console to wipe everything (and you can't backup stuff beforehand). Hopefully little Jimmy is somewhere with good wifi!
Initializing apparently works if you don't take the console online afterwards . So this method will only be useful for most once the servers are down permanently in 10+ years.
I still don't get why anyone outside if speedrunners would desire to play unpatched games in the meantime.
In some scenarios it does seem to work if you factory reset and take care to not connect to Nintendo's servers ever again. Although with the discoveries in this thread there might be a chance all of this is controlled by the publisher with some kind of flag, so it isn't universal
This is such an incredibly convoluted reason to be mad. Just don't delete the patch? Wifi is only getting more and more prevalent. It's ridiculous to come up with the idea that so many people aren't able download a patch (which they somehow managed to do the first time) after deleting the updates for some bizarre reason.
It's still another issue other consoles are not suffering from. They add up. Even if it is just minor percentages on every one of these issues. Still, it could be better/less intrusive. Nintendo likes to make some things more annoying then they need to be, no need to get outraged about it, but it is still worth mentioning imo
It's equally ridiculous that Nintendo spent time and resources to intentionally prevent someone from doing it. Even after all the save data is deleted, so no incompatibility problem.
