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Pelosi, Schumer, Buttigieg and other Dems have undisclosed meetings on "what to do about Bernie"
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Yes, but then centrists would have to stop blaming Sanders and his supporters for their own failures.
Plenty of poll numbers have said he's absolutely in the lead besides Biden who hasn't even announced.
Oh, politically its a solid move. But if the issue is that the dem establishment is locking him out, agreeing to do the town hall seems like a thumbing of the nose a few weeks after they 'banned' the network (even though, subsequently, its success will probably lead to a bunch of candidates doing the same)
It's actually going to be nonstop conspiratorial thinking & bullying from Sanders diehards who will namecall anyone who doesn't agree with them.
I'm trying to get folks to understand that the U.S. election system for President does NOT involve the popular vote which is why Clinton lost in the 2016 general despite winning the popular vote in 2016, if the U.S. used the popular vote, we would have Clinton as POTUS right now and not Trump, here's an ERA post I made about how the POTUS is elected: https://www.resetera.com/threads/er...-popular-vote-of-the-people-of-the-u-s.90133/
It was the Russians, it was Bernie, it was the Comey letter, it was Skrulls, it was this and that and everything except Hillary's campaigning.
Didn't they only ban the network for debates? Or was it all things including town halls?
Legit polling shows Sanders doing well, fwiw.
That being said, he has a leg up on most of the competition because of name recognition and because he has his 2016 e-mail list/campaign infrastructure in tow, so it's easier for him to do fundraising whereas others are building from zero.
You'd think if a corporate-backed Dem establishment was trying to rig the primary against Bernie they would force like 15 other candidates to drop out so that the non-Bernie vote just had 1 or 2 candidates to coalesce around.
Buttigieg is running for president. For everyone not named Joe Biden, Bernie is the biggest opponent in this primary. How would we not come up?
I'm not sure how a 3-4 million vote loss in the primary translates into an overall increase in turnout in the general. Seems like a pretty specious argument for 2016, but I guess we'll able to test it again next year!
Buttigieg is running for president. For everyone not named Joe Biden, Bernie is the biggest opponent in this primary. How would we not come up?
I'm not sure how a 3-4 million vote loss in the primary translates into an overall increase in turnout in the general. Seems like a pretty specious argument for 2016, but I guess we'll able to test it again next year!
I swear they are doing everything in their power to silence us and it will not work in their favor.
Weird that they list him as part of their platform then, huh.
Also I can't get over the idea that the dems would bar one of their best candidates merely for not being a party member for a year." We want to beat trump in 2020 but only if you meet this arbitrary criteria that has no real basis in reality. "
"Sanders voters turned put for Clinton more than Clinton voters turned out for Obama."
"True, but 2016 had a lower turnout in general than 2008."
"Nominate Sanders and tur out will be higher!"
You don't see the contradiction here?
Dems having a meeting over which one of them will be a candidate for Bernie's Vice Presidential running mate.
It was a smoke screen so the dem establishment couldn't look into the mirror to see what the real problem was. They weren't COMPLETELY wrong... but they were wrong enough in their arrogance by not campaining the rust belt... that is what lead us to these 4 years of fucking trump.
So? I'm sure Bernie's people are sitting around a table wondering "what to do about" the lot of other 2020 candidates, how to boost the signal of his campaign's message while diminishing his competition, etc.. As I would expect. He's running for POTUS, not the head of a book club.
I definitely think however that congressional dems— leadership in particular— need to get back to fucking work and stop twisting themselves into knots over any of the candidates. So many things going on right now, that require their attention right now, that are way more pressing than whatever Bernie is doing; or any of the candidates for that matter.
I definitely think however that congressional dems— leadership in particular— need to get back to fucking work and stop twisting themselves into knots over any of the candidates. So many things going on right now, that require their attention right now, that are way more pressing than whatever Bernie is doing; or any of the candidates for that matter.
And you just know that RBG bumper stickers will have Notorious on them
Thanks. I suspect that the honest to god reason for this is that a certain number of Clinton '08 voters didn't want to vote for a black man, horrible as that is.
The shifts in party identities since Obama was elected indicate that attitudes toward race solidified strikingly among party lines post-Obama.
I was actually going to ask if there were state breakdowns on Sanders -> Trump voters. The comparison to Clinton/Obama is one that is still useful, but Clinton lost by small margins in only three key states, so knowing those breakdowns is more important to the context than just the overall Clinton -> McCain numbers
Where is the source for this data?
Even if it's accurate, it doesn't prove that these people would have ever voted for Clinton and is yet another bad faith argument.
You mean like when the people overwhelmingly voted for Clinton in the primary
That type of primary candidate that the people wanted?
Or the other kind
Believe it or not, more people voted for Clinton in the Dem primaries in 2016. Crazy, I know.
But, Bern Dog got less votes in 2016. The voters did decide, just not the way you would like.
Sanders deciding the South was too stupid to bother with decided who their nominee would be.
I think a primary campaigns people are a much different story from the the Democrat establishment in DC. It makes sense for a primary to discuss their opponents. The establishment however shouldn't be viewing one of the leading candidates in their own primary as an opponent.
Super delegates decided if I remember correctly. At the very least they set the stage.
The donor class in America is TERRIFIED that class consciousness will catch on. They have been terrified of that for over a century now. So this isn't surprising, that they are looking for other options, at politicians like Biden or (apparently) Buttigieg, who are less disruptive, who don't have aspirations to start cutting away that generational wealth. I doubt there will be an organized party effort to keep Bernie Sanders from being the nominee, however. It's too risky, I think the party will crystallize around the nominee, even if it's Bernie. Trump is just too awful.
I watched Bernie flip a Fox News audience. I want to see how far he can go.
That said, I haven't donated to him yet. I've been donating to Buttigieg, AOC, Ilhan, and Mark Kelly. I guess it's time to add Bernie.
That said, I haven't donated to him yet. I've been donating to Buttigieg, AOC, Ilhan, and Mark Kelly. I guess it's time to add Bernie.
I believe you have more problems to deal with if it all comes down to 1% of the electorate vs DONALD TRUMP.
Lmao, Bernie Sanders is the most milquetoast social democrat imaginable, especially by European standards.
Never Change-trash-corporate-swine-appealing-to-lowest-common-denominator-we-need-to-stay-in-power-and-never-disrupt-the-economic-structure-useless democrats.
Democratic leadership and party is trash.
It is fucking embarassing constantly how Bernie is this boogieman even though the platform he is on is popular and reasonable by all except the insanely fucking tilted U.S. standards. Well U.S. standards amongst a certain ilk of people - I think the young people of the U.S. love Bernie or at least the ideas propelling ihis platform (and therefore anyone else who is similar enough).
Democratic leadership and party is trash.
It is fucking embarassing constantly how Bernie is this boogieman even though the platform he is on is popular and reasonable by all except the insanely fucking tilted U.S. standards. Well U.S. standards amongst a certain ilk of people - I think the young people of the U.S. love Bernie or at least the ideas propelling ihis platform (and therefore anyone else who is similar enough).
I imagine a "What to do about Warren" meeting will be on the books, should she rise in the polls.
Which only makes people believe they don't really represent us at all.
Honestly it's stories like this that make me dislike politics and right now I don't have good feelings about the Democratic Party. They are fake as hell.
They don't represent us at all. They represent those rich people they hide behind closed doors with.
Early indication shows the people are behind Bernie. What's the Democrats response to the voice of the people right now?
"Let's squash that".
Well, blame our Electoral College. It sucks, but that's what we're stuck with. Bernie would be a trainwreck having to win the EC.
I am pretty sure that was Hillary who thought those states weren't worth her time.
The argument that Bernie isn't electable because he was soundly defeated by Hillary in the primary is not so solid. Hillary was an unstoppable political force in the Democratic Party. It was inevitable that she was going to win the 2016 primary. Everyone was practically preparing celebrations for her presidential win. This primary is a different game. In my view, Bernie has reached a similar level of popularity that Hillary has, and we can argue who is more popular between Biden and Bernie, but I think he has a stronger shot at winning the primary this time around.
Ah yes, David Brock, the guy that hired a troll farm during the 2016 primary.
Yep. This is the only reason that that argument makes any sense, which is hilarious that its portrayed like this is Bernie's fault.
No, you won't, because people in the Democratic party actually like her and she's not constantly presenting conspiracies that everyone is out to get her
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